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Could the humax hdr handle youtube video, or has bbc iplayer video been converted to mheg5 or another format in order to work with this device.
It would be nice if they could implement youtube as it would give us more choice, I have been looking at blu ray players and a lot of them have youtube and other video sites to watch and cost half the price of the humax. What do you think ?.
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Could the humax hdr handle youtube video, or has bbc iplayer video been converted to mheg5 or another format in order to work with this device.
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BBC iplayer is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream whereas youtube is flash. So unless the youtube flash was converted I can't see it working on the freesat boxes.
It must be possible to use this on the humax hdr , even cheap cello tv's sold by M&S can play you tube video,or is the humax just a limited internet bbc iplayer with no prospect of any future updates to the firmware . Is the hardware on board not up to the job ?.
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BBC iplayer on my pc uses adobe flash player 10.
It must be possible to use this on the humax hdr , even cheap cello tv's sold by M&S can play you tube video,or is the humax just a limited internet bbc iplayer with no prospect of any future updates to the firmware . Is the hardware on board not up to the job ?. ![]() |
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Yes I should have said iplayer on freesat is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream. I believe the hardware isn't capable of showing flash based video.
I would like to look at the spec sheet.
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Do you no what video processor is used in the humax hdr
I would like to look at the spec sheet. ![]() http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cab...utions/BCM7403 |
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BBC iplayer is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream whereas youtube is flash. So unless the youtube flash was converted I can't see it working on the freesat boxes.
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Not exactly true, youtube uses H.264 in a flash container, I imagine there would be a way to do it, since youtube works on a lot of TVs now.
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Youtube does offer plain h264 video, youtube have been testing the non flash version of youtube for a while with users of google chrome...
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Youtube does offer plain h264 video, youtube have been testing the non flash version of youtube for a while with users of google chrome...
![]() http://deviceguru.com/ip-stb-maker-t...with-discount/ |
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I would imagine that youtube works on many TVs because those TVs have a processor that can handle the Flash container whereas, as far as we are aware, the processor in the humax doesn't.
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I think humax and freesat have missed the boat as far as internet broadband is concerned , other manufactures are are putting youtube ,picaso,etc on there boxes i.e ,3view and digital stream,I know they are freeview boxes but they seem to have a greater number of options that make them more attractive to me than the humax hdr .
We were told on the forum that other services were in the pipeline but so far iplayer and teletext jobsite are the only offerings the latter is not entertainment ,so a total of 1. I am very disappointed with freesat so far.
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There's nothing to stop STB manufacturers putting all those features on their Freesat boxes. I bet Humax will be only too happy to sell you a new box with all those things later this year.
I bet the present box can do it too (in hardware) - but you've already bought that box without that feature - what's the commercial incentive to add it now? iPlayer etc are parts of the Freesat spec - any new services that adhere to that spec will just "appear" without effort from Humax (apart from bug fixes). YouTube could launch an MHEG version if they wanted. Cheers, David. |
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There's nothing to stop STB manufacturers putting all those features on their Freesat boxes. I bet Humax will be only too happy to sell you a new box with all those things later this year.
I bet the present box can do it too (in hardware) - but you've already bought that box without that feature - what's the commercial incentive to add it now? iPlayer etc are parts of the Freesat spec - any new services that adhere to that spec will just "appear" without effort from Humax (apart from bug fixes). YouTube could launch an MHEG version if they wanted. Cheers, David. I have been a humax owner for a number of years but I am going to look elsewhere for my next box. The humax hdr is a fine box , but humax are not keeping ahead of the compatition and thats were they should be,dvb boxes are starting to come out the blue that have more features and make them more attractive to me and others. Another feature that they left out was a timer in non freesat mode whats the point of that , we were given the answer to that one i.e cost but other manufactures have done this. So as I said they have missed the boat. No smiley face for this one. |
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For research Humax did an implementation of a YouTube player on a similar software platform but in the end the performance was not optimal and it would not have integrated well so it was abandoned. Last year Humax had a decision point to make about the platform on which the Foxsat and iCord are built on: either to struggle to develop against platform which wasn't optimal or to concentrate on building a new platform and the decision went the latter way.
Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released, more than any other company and has upgraded many products for free, but on this occasion we had to move on to achieve the optimum result. The new T2 PVR products are very advanced and should receive some exciting up updates this year. Future Freesat products will further that innovation but I can't say when those are coming because of other dependencies. I know this will disappoint some people, we can't keep everyone happy and I know that there are a few people who enjoy spitting vitriol with any excuse but the decision was made at a global level. Saying that however: The door isn't closed with respect to MHEG and it is possible people could create interesting applications there. |
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Bob_Cat, can I ask if there are any more updates in the pipeline for the FoxSat HDR? Thanks.
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galleonslap,
There are no feature releases planned but there may be a maintenance release. Bob |
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... either to struggle to develop against platform which wasn't optimal ...
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... more than any other company and has upgraded many products for free ...
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... I know that there are a few people who enjoy spitting vitriol with any excuse ...
Yes, I know should have returned the box while I could but I was deceived by my past experience with the PVR-9200 into thinking Humax would eventually fix things. So what have Humax actually done for HDR owners beyond what they were required to under the Freesat license? - fixed the snail like TV guide? Nope. - messed up aspect ratio switching? Yep. - fixed infinite recording bug? Nope. - fixed the file system to allow quick delete? Nope - just given us some iffy workaround. - fixed lip-synch issues? Well they did try - I think. - fixed problem with live-pause when programme ends? Nope. I could go on, but those are my main issues . Care to comment Bob?I'm now just waiting for a viable alternative to come along. I.e. something with the same functionality but that actually works. Or maybe eventually, the kids and wife will be technically literate enough that I can give up on bespoke STBs and go for a more flexible media centre pc solution. |
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There are no feature releases planned but there may be a maintenance release.
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Fingers crossed the power cut bug is near the top of the fix list
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I would not hold my breath ,if they could have done it we would have it by now surely .
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Thanks for the confirmation that you've sold us an under-powered dud!
I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't. Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" - ![]() Cheers, David. |
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It seems to have just enough power for what it was sold to do.
I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't. Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" - ![]() Cheers, David. If it had bugs I certainly never seen one it operated without a flaw and still does,or am I lucky. ![]()
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It seems to have just enough power for what it was sold to do.
![]() And look at the wonderful implementation of iPlayer we have - it is so slick and responsive I'm amazed! (I bet the BBC techies who had to implement iPlayer on this box were more frustrated with it than I am.) Quote:
I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't.
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Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" -
![]() To be honest, Humax do generally provide boxes with better functionality than anything on the market (excepting those that support user customisation like the Topfield boxes) which is why I'm finding so hard to find an acceptable replacement. I also suspect the box is not really under-powered (it certainly doesn't look like it from the technical specs) but is crippled by very poor software. |
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