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Old 22-05-2010, 10:09
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Could the humax hdr handle youtube video, or has bbc iplayer video been converted to mheg5 or another format in order to work with this device.
It would be nice if they could implement youtube as it would give us more choice, I have been looking at blu ray players and a lot of them have youtube and other video sites to watch and cost half the price of the humax.
What do you think ?.
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Old 22-05-2010, 10:59
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Could the humax hdr handle youtube video, or has bbc iplayer video been converted to mheg5 or another format in order to work with this device.
BBC iplayer is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream whereas youtube is flash. So unless the youtube flash was converted I can't see it working on the freesat boxes.
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:13
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BBC iplayer is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream whereas youtube is flash. So unless the youtube flash was converted I can't see it working on the freesat boxes.
BBC iplayer on my linux pc uses adobe flash player 10

It must be possible to use this on the humax hdr , even cheap cello tv's sold by M&S can play you tube video,or is the humax just a limited internet bbc iplayer with no prospect of any future updates to the firmware .
Is the hardware on board not up to the job ?.
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:17
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BBC iplayer on my pc uses adobe flash player 10.

It must be possible to use this on the humax hdr , even cheap cello tv's sold by M&S can play you tube video,or is the humax just a limited internet bbc iplayer with no prospect of any future updates to the firmware .
Is the hardware on board not up to the job ?.
Yes I should have said iplayer on freesat is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream. I believe the hardware isn't capable of showing flash based video.
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Old 22-05-2010, 11:27
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Yes I should have said iplayer on freesat is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream. I believe the hardware isn't capable of showing flash based video.
Do you no what video processor is used in the humax hdr
I would like to look at the spec sheet.
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Old 22-05-2010, 12:01
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Do you no what video processor is used in the humax hdr
I would like to look at the spec sheet.
Rumour has it, it's this one
http://www.broadcom.com/products/Cab...utions/BCM7403
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Old 22-05-2010, 14:15
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BBC iplayer is h.264 wrapped in a transport stream whereas youtube is flash. So unless the youtube flash was converted I can't see it working on the freesat boxes.
Not exactly true, youtube uses H.264 in a flash container, I imagine there would be a way to do it, since youtube works on a lot of TVs now.
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Old 22-05-2010, 15:10
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Not exactly true, youtube uses H.264 in a flash container, I imagine there would be a way to do it, since youtube works on a lot of TVs now.
I would imagine that youtube works on many TVs because those TVs have a processor that can handle the Flash container whereas, as far as we are aware, the processor in the humax doesn't. The humax processor is primarily used to record and playback broadcast streams and having flash support probably would have pushed the production costs just that bit too far. TV's on the other hand don't have the same demands as a PVR so they can become feature rich with less of a financial burden on production. Maybe Humax's next model will support it. Or better still it comes to light that the current one does support flash.
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Old 22-05-2010, 15:26
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Youtube does offer plain h264 video, youtube have been testing the non flash version of youtube for a while with users of google chrome...
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Old 22-05-2010, 22:15
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Youtube does offer plain h264 video, youtube have been testing the non flash version of youtube for a while with users of google chrome...
If it is the BCM7403 it looks like its possible , read url.

http://deviceguru.com/ip-stb-maker-t...with-discount/
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Old 22-05-2010, 23:19
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I would imagine that youtube works on many TVs because those TVs have a processor that can handle the Flash container whereas, as far as we are aware, the processor in the humax doesn't.
I don't think that is the case, youtube uses the same streaming H.264 in flash as iplayer does, I don't think there would be a problem in implementing it, it just wasn't part of the Freesat spec so the manufacturers haven't bothered to put it on.
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Old 24-05-2010, 19:02
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I think humax and freesat have missed the boat as far as internet broadband is concerned , other manufactures are are putting youtube ,picaso,etc on there boxes i.e ,3view and digital stream,I know they are freeview boxes but they seem to have a greater number of options that make them more attractive to me than the humax hdr .
We were told on the forum that other services were in the pipeline but so far iplayer and teletext jobsite are the only offerings the latter is not entertainment ,so a total of 1.
I am very disappointed with freesat so far.
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Old 25-05-2010, 11:41
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There's nothing to stop STB manufacturers putting all those features on their Freesat boxes. I bet Humax will be only too happy to sell you a new box with all those things later this year.

I bet the present box can do it too (in hardware) - but you've already bought that box without that feature - what's the commercial incentive to add it now?

iPlayer etc are parts of the Freesat spec - any new services that adhere to that spec will just "appear" without effort from Humax (apart from bug fixes). YouTube could launch an MHEG version if they wanted.

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Old 25-05-2010, 16:06
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There's nothing to stop STB manufacturers putting all those features on their Freesat boxes. I bet Humax will be only too happy to sell you a new box with all those things later this year.

I bet the present box can do it too (in hardware) - but you've already bought that box without that feature - what's the commercial incentive to add it now?

iPlayer etc are parts of the Freesat spec - any new services that adhere to that spec will just "appear" without effort from Humax (apart from bug fixes). YouTube could launch an MHEG version if they wanted.

Cheers,
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I totally agree .
I have been a humax owner for a number of years but I am going to look elsewhere for my next box.

The humax hdr is a fine box , but humax are not keeping ahead of the compatition and thats were they should be,dvb boxes are starting to come out the blue that have more features and make them more attractive to me and others.
Another feature that they left out was a timer in non freesat mode whats the point of that , we were given the answer to that one i.e cost but other manufactures have done this.
So as I said they have missed the boat.
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Old 27-05-2010, 11:16
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For research Humax did an implementation of a YouTube player on a similar software platform but in the end the performance was not optimal and it would not have integrated well so it was abandoned. Last year Humax had a decision point to make about the platform on which the Foxsat and iCord are built on: either to struggle to develop against platform which wasn't optimal or to concentrate on building a new platform and the decision went the latter way.

Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released, more than any other company and has upgraded many products for free, but on this occasion we had to move on to achieve the optimum result. The new T2 PVR products are very advanced and should receive some exciting up updates this year. Future Freesat products will further that innovation but I can't say when those are coming because of other dependencies.

I know this will disappoint some people, we can't keep everyone happy and I know that there are a few people who enjoy spitting vitriol with any excuse but the decision was made at a global level.

Saying that however:

The door isn't closed with respect to MHEG and it is possible people could create interesting applications there.
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Old 27-05-2010, 11:49
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Bob_Cat, can I ask if there are any more updates in the pipeline for the FoxSat HDR? Thanks.
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Old 27-05-2010, 16:51
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galleonslap,

There are no feature releases planned but there may be a maintenance release.

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Old 28-05-2010, 13:44
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... either to struggle to develop against platform which wasn't optimal ...
Thanks for the confirmation that you've sold us an under-powered dud!
... more than any other company and has upgraded many products for free ...
LOL, yeah right, check your facts. There are companies out there who have supported hardware for much longer than Humax (even in the same market, e.g. Pace) and then there are those who don't release bug-ridden boxes that need updates anyway.
... I know that there are a few people who enjoy spitting vitriol with any excuse ...
The only excuse I need to spit vitriol at Humax is being left with a sub-standard box that frustrates me every time I pick up the remote and a company that doesn't respond to bug reports either via email or via forums like this.
Yes, I know should have returned the box while I could but I was deceived by my past experience with the PVR-9200 into thinking Humax would eventually fix things.
So what have Humax actually done for HDR owners beyond what they were required to under the Freesat license?
- fixed the snail like TV guide? Nope.
- messed up aspect ratio switching? Yep.
- fixed infinite recording bug? Nope.
- fixed the file system to allow quick delete? Nope - just given us some iffy workaround.
- fixed lip-synch issues? Well they did try - I think.
- fixed problem with live-pause when programme ends? Nope.
I could go on, but those are my main issues . Care to comment Bob?

I'm now just waiting for a viable alternative to come along. I.e. something with the same functionality but that actually works. Or maybe eventually, the kids and wife will be technically literate enough that I can give up on bespoke STBs and go for a more flexible media centre pc solution.
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Old 28-05-2010, 22:19
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There are no feature releases planned but there may be a maintenance release.

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Fingers crossed the power cut bug is near the top of the fix list
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Old 01-06-2010, 22:01
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Fingers crossed the power cut bug is near the top of the fix list
I would not hold my breath ,if they could have done it we would have it by now surely .
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Old 01-06-2010, 23:34
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I would not hold my breath ,if they could have done it we would have it by now surely .
Bob_Cat himself has said that that is not due to a hardware design fault and is purely a "feature" of the current firmware.
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Old 02-06-2010, 11:30
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Thanks for the confirmation that you've sold us an under-powered dud!
It seems to have just enough power for what it was sold to do.

I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't.

Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" -

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Old 02-06-2010, 12:45
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It seems to have just enough power for what it was sold to do.

I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't.

Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" -

Cheers,
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I had a onn freeview pvr made by vestel for year's and still have it .
If it had bugs I certainly never seen one it operated without a flaw and still does,or am I lucky.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:02
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It seems to have just enough power for what it was sold to do.
And that's why it will only respond to the remote once a second when you enter the guide Oh and be careful you don't press the buttons on the remote too fast or you'll crash the box
And look at the wonderful implementation of iPlayer we have - it is so slick and responsive I'm amazed! (I bet the BBC techies who had to implement iPlayer on this box were more frustrated with it than I am.)
I can't disagree about the bugs, though I can't manage to get quite so angry about them! Have you owned a PVR which didn't have bugs? I haven't.
Yep, my first was the Pace Twin which although released with a few bugs Pace soon fixed them. Doesn't look like this is likely to happen with Foxsat since they fail to even acknowledge a lot of the problems. My next box was the 9200T which really sold me on Humax, again a buggy initial release but it was soon sorted out.
Bob didn't say Humax products have the fewest bugs, he said "Humax spends a great deal of time developing for products that it has already released" -
The only box I know of, for which Humax has actually developed anything new (i.e. beyond what it was designed for), is the PVR-9200T which was not originally released as a Freeview Playback box but which Humax upgraded. I guess there may be others in other parts of the world though.

To be honest, Humax do generally provide boxes with better functionality than anything on the market (excepting those that support user customisation like the Topfield boxes) which is why I'm finding so hard to find an acceptable replacement.

I also suspect the box is not really under-powered (it certainly doesn't look like it from the technical specs) but is crippled by very poor software.
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