Of course it has great significance, this is Moffat and this series is messing around with time all the... time.
Amy & Rory Waving To Themselves
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Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“What, exist in the same time and place as their past self? It happened in Day of the Daleks, Mawdryn Undead and Father's Day.”
“What, exist in the same time and place as their past self? It happened in Day of the Daleks, Mawdryn Undead and Father's Day.”
I've never seen Day of the Daleks, but both the other two are warnings of the perils of re-visiting your own timeline!
I don't know if anyone has ever heard the phrase 'we were drowning, not waving' but maybe this is what is going on...
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?
It looks more like a young amy than a present day amy, And rory seems to be wearing the same outfit from 'amy's choice'. Take a look-see. 
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Originally Posted by allen_who:
“I don't know if anyone has ever heard the phrase 'we were drowning, not waving' but maybe this is what is going on...
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?”
“I don't know if anyone has ever heard the phrase 'we were drowning, not waving' but maybe this is what is going on...
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?”
I'm wondering that. Rory's wave is more of both arms warning? I'm sure there's a point to it......
Originally Posted by SciFiGuy_UK:
“I'm wondering that. Rory's wave is more of both arms warning? I'm sure there's a point to it......”
“I'm wondering that. Rory's wave is more of both arms warning? I'm sure there's a point to it......”
...and his arms are unusually only waving from the elbows.
Originally Posted by 2shy2007:
“Well , Rose saw her young self in Fathers day, and we all know what happened there
”
“Well , Rose saw her young self in Fathers day, and we all know what happened there
”
It was the fact that Rose touched her past self is what ****ed things up.
Originally Posted by allen_who:
“I don't know if anyone has ever heard the phrase 'we were drowning, not waving' but maybe this is what is going on...
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?”
“I don't know if anyone has ever heard the phrase 'we were drowning, not waving' but maybe this is what is going on...
perhaps they were trying to warn themselves about something?”
Possible.
What got me was how matter-of-factly the Doctor dismissed it, as if it happened all the time and was of no significance!
BTW I haven't watch the "deleted scene".
As far as I'm concerned all that matters is what was deemed to be necessary to leave in the transmitted episode.
As we've said, that this was left in does imply that it has importance later, as with the engagement ring business.
We'll know soon!
Originally Posted by sepmix:
“It was the fact that Rose touched her past self is what ****ed things up.”
“It was the fact that Rose touched her past self is what ****ed things up.”
Saving Pete is what ****ed things up. Touching baby Rose simply made the flying fishes even more powerful.
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“Was I the only one absolutely horrified by that?
Of course if time travel were actually possible, and I'm well aware that it isn't and never will be, for very good reasons, any time traveller could do exactly what Amy and Rory apparently did.
Unless this is explored further and/or explained later in the series, I feel this is a bad error of judgement by the writers.
”
“Was I the only one absolutely horrified by that?
Of course if time travel were actually possible, and I'm well aware that it isn't and never will be, for very good reasons, any time traveller could do exactly what Amy and Rory apparently did.
Unless this is explored further and/or explained later in the series, I feel this is a bad error of judgement by the writers.
”
It is curious certainly, because it is back to front.
Had they just been "sightseeing", then that would have been one thing (it happens in BttF where a later Marty sees an earlier one). But that they WERE SEEN, in effect the reverse is much more problematic, because it gives the early version information they shouldn't have.
Having said that, it is very much the same thing as happens in 'Blink', where the answer is invented and put in a loop.
Originally Posted by SciFiGuy_UK:
“I'm wondering that. Rory's wave is more of both arms warning? I'm sure there's a point to it......”
“I'm wondering that. Rory's wave is more of both arms warning? I'm sure there's a point to it......”
Originally Posted by HandsomeBB:
“...and his arms are unusually only waving from the elbows.”
“...and his arms are unusually only waving from the elbows.”
Umm, the military signal for chemical/nuclear attack - http://www.fcrc.org/hand/Fig2-57.gif
Originally Posted by Listentome:
“Exactly. I suspect we will see a scene in the finale from the perspective of the 'other' Amy and Rory. Perhaps they weren't waving, but trying to warn The Doctor of something.”
“Exactly. I suspect we will see a scene in the finale from the perspective of the 'other' Amy and Rory. Perhaps they weren't waving, but trying to warn The Doctor of something.”
This ^
I noticed and figured out the very second I watched this scene, It's so obvious that later in the new episode, Amy and Rory end up lost together and they're trying to warm the past selves about whats going to happen and the doctor thinks they're waving to say.
It's sort of a plot twist.
Well, I'm afraid my humble pie is still in the freezer!
It now seems that scene was only there (and even repeated at the start of part two in the recap) just so we could have that scene at the end of part two where there was only Amy, just to reinforce (as if it were needed) that Rory was indeed erased from all of existence.
Phooey!
It now seems that scene was only there (and even repeated at the start of part two in the recap) just so we could have that scene at the end of part two where there was only Amy, just to reinforce (as if it were needed) that Rory was indeed erased from all of existence.
Phooey!
And that it indeed wasn't a fixed point in time. And that seeing something from the future doesn't mean anything. Or does it.
I did think at first that the two people on the hill were completely different people and the Doctor lied about it being Rory and Amy, to keep them close together or whatever. However, looking back it does seem like a very significant scene and perhaps they weren't waving to say hello but to warn them of something.
We'll most likely find out in the next few weeks anyway
We'll most likely find out in the next few weeks anyway
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“Well, I'm afraid my humble pie is still in the freezer!
It now seems that scene was only there (and even repeated at the start of part two in the recap) just so we could have that scene at the end of part two where there was only Amy, just to reinforce (as if it were needed) that Rory was indeed erased from all of existence.
Phooey!
”
“Well, I'm afraid my humble pie is still in the freezer!
It now seems that scene was only there (and even repeated at the start of part two in the recap) just so we could have that scene at the end of part two where there was only Amy, just to reinforce (as if it were needed) that Rory was indeed erased from all of existence.
Phooey!
”
I'm sure the producers are really sorry you aren't happy about it.
Originally Posted by mr_wonderful:
“I'm sure the producers are really sorry you aren't happy about it.”
“I'm sure the producers are really sorry you aren't happy about it.”
So they should be!
Originally Posted by iHelix:
“I did think at first that the two people on the hill were completely different people and the Doctor lied about it being Rory and Amy, to keep them close together or whatever. However, looking back it does seem like a very significant scene and perhaps they weren't waving to say hello but to warn them of something.
We'll most likely find out in the next few weeks anyway”
“I did think at first that the two people on the hill were completely different people and the Doctor lied about it being Rory and Amy, to keep them close together or whatever. However, looking back it does seem like a very significant scene and perhaps they weren't waving to say hello but to warn them of something.
We'll most likely find out in the next few weeks anyway
”
Such as
Spoiler
Just a thought.
Put that in spoiler tags in for anyone who may have not yet seen yesterdays episode.
Hmm well I'm hoping that it wasnt just to show that Rory has gone and time was changed - I hope it will be referenced again in a future episode.
I don't understand - how come at the end of the episode they were slightly further back in time, so that they could wave to themselves? Did I miss a bit where the Doctor said, "Let's travel back a few hours to when we first arrive"?
Originally Posted by Orion:
“I don't understand - how come at the end of the episode they were slightly further back in time, so that they could wave to themselves? Did I miss a bit where the Doctor said, "Let's travel back a few hours to when we first arrive"?”
“I don't understand - how come at the end of the episode they were slightly further back in time, so that they could wave to themselves? Did I miss a bit where the Doctor said, "Let's travel back a few hours to when we first arrive"?”
Yes, and if they HAD travelled back, then none of it would have happened
wibbly wobbly timey wimey .Perhaps Amy had just been stood on the hill for 10 hours?
Originally Posted by Orion:
“I don't understand - how come at the end of the episode they were slightly further back in time, so that they could wave to themselves? Did I miss a bit where the Doctor said, "Let's travel back a few hours to when we first arrive"?”
“I don't understand - how come at the end of the episode they were slightly further back in time, so that they could wave to themselves? Did I miss a bit where the Doctor said, "Let's travel back a few hours to when we first arrive"?”
No, the 'other' Rory and Amy were supposedly themselves from 10 years in their own future. Our Rory and Amy arrived in 2020 with the Doctor, had their adventure, and at some point later gave up their travelling ways and went home to 2010.
Ten years later, they decide to travel to Wales to watch themselves arrive and revisit past glories.
Or at least, that was how it was supposed to have happened.
From what I gathered it was more that time had re-written itself and Rory was no longer there. So now it was just Amy going back to wave to herself and the doctor at that time.
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