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If Danielle had been given Reflections or Tomorrow, no chance!!!!!!! In the longer term, she is more likely to be an actress who can sing. Will find lots of MT types who will beat her up at auditions.
It actually did not matter what happened last night, as in IDA, the decision was made long before. and everyone keeps highlighting Danielle's weaknesses (ok i suppose as the winner she is under scrutiny) but Danielle's singing needed equally as much work and sophie's acting.... actually sophie's acting was very bad she needed even more work..... had she won I am sure they could have helped her fix that...... |
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If Danielle had been given Reflections or Tomorrow, no chance!!!!!!! In the longer term, she is more likely to be an actress who can sing. Will find lots of MT types who will beat her up at auditions.
It actually did not matter what happened last night, as in IDA, the decision was made long before. As for the decision being made long before...lazy excuse for someone winning other than your own particular fav. |
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I quite agree with this post. Those songs did play to Danielle's strengths, and she performed them well, but it would be wrong to forget that compared with the majority of the others her voice was one of the weaker ones. Her Over The Rainbow was one of the worst of the competition sadly, though I have no doubt she'll perform it much better by the time the show opens.
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Honestly.................. emilie???????????? and as much as I love steph and also really really enjoyed her over the rainbow she couldn't hit the money notes either.... saying she is the worst is a bit extreme.... she wasn't the best but FAR from the worst
Personally I loved Danielle's over the rainbow I thought she acted it brilliantly.... I agree vocally she is week but with these 10 months and the fact that she is an amazing actress there is no doubt in my mind that she is the perfect dorothy and will perform to the highest standard on that stage..... I think that she is the perfect Dorothy and I am sooo happy i voted so much for her ![]() ![]() ![]() Over the Rainbow is a beautiful and vocally stretching song, and it doesn't need to be enacted to be appreciated. I have said that I think Danielle will make a very good Dorothy (as would quite a few of the others have done). However, I think her singing needs to improve otherwise her rendition of that iconic song will be a disappointment. Since ALW has wisely given himself 10 months to prepare his winner, I have no doubt she will be much improved by then. |
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If Danielle had been given Reflections or Tomorrow, no chance!!!!!!! In the longer term, she is more likely to be an actress who can sing. Will find lots of MT types who will beat her up at auditions.
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If Danielle had been given Reflections or Tomorrow, no chance!!!!!!! In the longer term, she is more likely to be an actress who can sing. Will find lots of MT types who will beat her up at auditions.
It actually did not matter what happened last night, as in IDA, the decision was made long before. Nonsense and nonsense. She's already been through trials far more strenuous than a walk-in audition, namely a month and a half of nationally televised solo appearances with her every move scrutinised. The conspiracy nuts are good for a laugh. If Danielle is a clearly superior choice (of the producer/judges, not me) how, exactly, is that a bad or sinister thing? |
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If you take the trouble to read my post, you'll find I didn't say that Danielle's version of OTR was actually the very worst in the entire competition: I said her version was one of the worst, and I happily concur that Emilie's was also among the worst.
Over the Rainbow is a beautiful and vocally stretching song, and it doesn't need to be enacted to be appreciated. I have said that I think Danielle will make a very good Dorothy (as would quite a few of the others have done). However, I think her singing needs to improve otherwise her rendition of that iconic song will be a disappointment. Since ALW has wisely given himself 10 months to prepare his winner, I have no doubt she will be much improved by then. Thats even if the image we have been given now reflects reality at all and some people don't change drastically in months. You couldn't predict that Rachel could act one of the biggest roles around from what we saw on IDA, you wouldn't see Siobhan doing cabaret well or Sam even being in the running for Eponine and you wouldn't have had a hope of guessing which IDA girl has an offer for RADA. If you listened to the comments you wouldn't know who could do 8 shows a week and who couldn't, who could hang in with the belters or indeed who, apart from one obvious case (Abi), can do comedy. |
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If you take the trouble to read my post, you'll find I didn't say that Danielle's version of OTR was actually the very worst in the entire competition: I said her version was one of the worst, and I happily concur that Emilie's was also among the worst.
Over the Rainbow is a beautiful and vocally stretching song, and it doesn't need to be enacted to be appreciated. I have said that I think Danielle will make a very good Dorothy (as would quite a few of the others have done). However, I think her singing needs to improve otherwise her rendition of that iconic song will be a disappointment. Since ALW has wisely given himself 10 months to prepare his winner, I have no doubt she will be much improved by then. |
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It actually did not matter what happened last night, as in IDA, the decision was made long before.
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Rather defeats the point of the show though because in 10 months everything else could change too and we could find ourselves with a new outcome if things were rerun. Its odder than any of the other shows when it was at least arguable that with only a short time to prepare someone had a clear advantage. Dani and Stephanie would be older and more experienced too , Sophie could have the acting off pat, Jenny would have been taught how to adjust to perform for a musical, Bronte and Lauren could finesse their acting and change their hairstyle, Jessica's voice might be stronger and Steph might have more power and not look too much older. If you argue Danielle can do somethings better now but needs work then you can equally argue that each of them can do somethings better than her too and improving the vocal or sustaining it over 8 shows a week may be as hard as learning how to act to the rear stalls.
Thats even if the image we have been given now reflects reality at all and some people don't change drastically in months. You couldn't predict that Rachel could act one of the biggest roles around from what we saw on IDA, you wouldn't see Siobhan doing cabaret well or Sam even being in the running for Eponine and you wouldn't have had a hope of guessing which IDA girl has an offer for RADA. If you listened to the comments you wouldn't know who could do 8 shows a week and who couldn't, who could hang in with the belters or indeed who, apart from one obvious case (Abi), can do comedy. But I'm even more excited to see what she does afterwards because I firmly believe she has natural talent and versatility way beyond what The Wizard of Oz will allow her to demonstrate. And just to get back on topic, I don't think Sophie or any of the other girls could have commanded the stage as well as Danielle did in Mambo Italiano or 76 Trombones (or even Popular, though Lauren did a great job too). Not to say they're not talented, just that they wouldn't have been as convincing IMHO. |
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And just to get back on topic, I don't think Sophie or any of the other girls could have commanded the stage as well as Danielle did in Mambo Italiano or 76 Trombones (or even Popular, though Lauren did a great job too). Not to say they're not talented, just that they wouldn't have been as convincing IMHO.
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Nonsense and nonsense. She's already been through trials far more strenuous than a walk-in audition, namely a month and a half of nationally televised solo appearances with her every move scrutinised.
The conspiracy nuts are good for a laugh. If Danielle is a clearly superior choice (of the producer/judges, not me) how, exactly, is that a bad or sinister thing? |
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Rather defeats the point of the show though because in 10 months everything else could change too and we could find ourselves with a new outcome if things were rerun. Its odder than any of the other shows when it was at least arguable that with only a short time to prepare someone had a clear advantage. Dani and Stephanie would be older and more experienced too , Sophie could have the acting off pat, Jenny would have been taught how to adjust to perform for a musical, Bronte and Lauren could finesse their acting and change their hairstyle, Jessica's voice might be stronger and Steph might have more power and not look too much older. If you argue Danielle can do somethings better now but needs work then you can equally argue that each of them can do somethings better than her too and improving the vocal or sustaining it over 8 shows a week may be as hard as learning how to act to the rear stalls.
Thats even if the image we have been given now reflects reality at all and some people don't change drastically in months. You couldn't predict that Rachel could act one of the biggest roles around from what we saw on IDA, you wouldn't see Siobhan doing cabaret well or Sam even being in the running for Eponine and you wouldn't have had a hope of guessing which IDA girl has an offer for RADA. If you listened to the comments you wouldn't know who could do 8 shows a week and who couldn't, who could hang in with the belters or indeed who, apart from one obvious case (Abi), can do comedy. ALW clearly could not be certain which of the 20 girls who made it to the first show would be Dorothy (that wild card could have proved dangerously popular). Last time he did a show like this he ended up with someone who clearly wasn't what he or the producer wanted at all, but the public loved her from early on and she was never in danger of being voted off. In fact, as all the past winners in these shows have never been in the danger zone, he would be sensible to assume he would not get his first choice and might well need time for "work" on his new star, so building in 10 months of rehearsals seems like a good safety net. As it turned out, it looks like he got the Dorothy he most wanted, so lucky him. I think the point of the shows is to get the public interested in - and buying tickets for - ALW's next venture specifically, and musical theatre generally. I think he probably sees his strange marriage with the BBC as helping to boost the theatre business by generating a steady stream of young stars the public will recognise and pay to see. If that's his motivation, job done, I'd say. |
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If Danielle had been given Reflections or Tomorrow, no chance!!!!!!! In the longer term, she is more likely to be an actress who can sing. Will find lots of MT types who will beat her up at auditions.
It actually did not matter what happened last night, as in IDA, the decision was made long before. |
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If you take the trouble to read my post, you'll find I didn't say that Danielle's version of OTR was actually the very worst in the entire competition: I said her version was one of the worst, and I happily concur that Emilie's was also among the worst.
Over the Rainbow is a beautiful and vocally stretching song, and it doesn't need to be enacted to be appreciated. I have said that I think Danielle will make a very good Dorothy (as would quite a few of the others have done). However, I think her singing needs to improve otherwise her rendition of that iconic song will be a disappointment. Since ALW has wisely given himself 10 months to prepare his winner, I have no doubt she will be much improved by then. |
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Um...Jessica could of easily pulled off these songs..
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Um...Jessica could of easily pulled off these songs..
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But its musical theatre. Imo it does have to be acted.
If the acting out of this particular song is so terribly important, there seems little point downloading it to play on an iPod. |
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I am surprised we are stiil arguing over the merits of who is the best at what and who or would have been better at performing this that or the other.
Lets simply state the facts,which almost everyone would agree on. Danielle was the best choice for Dorothy.Vocally the WOZ is not challenging and even OTR is not in fact to demanding if sang in the right context of the story.Its actually a dreamy kind of a song.To sing it the way it was presented in the show on stage would be silly. Listen to Judy Garland's version and you'll know what I mean. Danielle's real ability is how she can interpret her inner feeling's or in common parlance how she acts.She also knows how to puctuate her acting with natural wit and humour.As someone said thats just part of her personality. What finally convinced me that she was going to win,was her performance in Popular.I think it is generally accepted that both Lauren ( I am a Lauren Fan) and Danielle were both brilliant.It was'nt a vocally demanding routine,it was all interpretation and interaction.Both girls performed at a high level,but Danielle came across better,always remembering that this was a duet of the highest calibre. ALW made it quite clear he was looking for an actress who could sing and dance .Given that Danielle was a natural actress,that she could interpret a dance routine very well ,could sing and was of the right age,finally convinced me that Lauren was not going to be Dorothy. To repeat Danielle can sing,and sing to a high enough level to be more than successful enough in MT. Sophie had natural qualities to be Dorothy after Danielle.She,had that innocent appeal,was photgenic, could sing and act well enough.Her dance needed work however. She could not sing as well as Lauren,neither could Danielle. No one's acting was as good as Danielle's.Lauren was the only one who came close because she was the all round polished performer |
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I am surprised we are stiil arguing over the merits of who is the best at what and who or would have been better at performing this that or the other.
Lets simply state the facts,which almost everyone would agree on. Danielle was the best choice for Dorothy.Vocally the WOZ is not challenging and even OTR is not in fact to demanding if sang in the right context of the story.Its actually a dreamy kind of a song.To sing it the way it was presented in the show on stage would be silly. Listen to Judy Garland's version and you'll know what I mean. Danielle's real ability is how she can interpret her inner feeling's or in common parlance how she acts.She also knows how to puctuate her acting with natural wit and humour.As someone said thats just part of her personality. What finally convinced me that she was going to win,was her performance in Popular.I think it is generally accepted that both Lauren ( I am a Lauren Fan) and Danielle were both brilliant.It was'nt a vocally demanding routine,it was all interpretation and interaction.Both girls performed at a high level,but Danielle came across better,always remembering that this was a duet of the highest calibre. ALW made it quite clear he was looking for an actress who could sing and dance .Given that Danielle was a natural actress,that she could interpret a dance routine very well ,could sing and was of the right age,finally convinced me that Lauren was not going to be Dorothy. To repeat Danielle can sing,and sing to a high enough level to be more than successful enough in MT. Sophie had natural qualities to be Dorothy after Danielle.She,had that innocent appeal,was photgenic, could sing and act well enough.Her dance needed work however. She could not sing as well as Lauren,neither could Danielle. No one's acting was as good as Danielle's.Lauren was the only one who came close because she was the all round polished performer
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I am surprised we are stiil arguing over the merits of who is the best at what and who or would have been better at performing this that or the other.
Lets simply state the facts,which almost everyone would agree on. Danielle was the best choice for Dorothy. I think Danielle's a bit of a safe, boring choice. She is like Lee Mead, he was the safe, boring choice for Joseph. They're not boring performers but you know what you'll get, whereas with a lot of the other it would have been something a bit different. |
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Danielle's real ability is how she can interpret her inner feeling's or in common parlance how she acts.She also knows how to puctuate her acting with natural wit and humour. |
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and colour, and subtlety YAWN. I'm fed up of the Sheila-isms.
I often wonder if many people on this forum even go to the theatre that often?
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Nope that's an opinion not a fact. The Lord wanted Danielle and made the correct manipulations to get rid of her best competition - Jenny, Jessica, Stephanie and Steph. Danielle will be a great Dorothy but I'd say 9 of the top 11 could play her (I don't think Amy or Emilie could).
I think Danielle's a bit of a safe, boring choice. She is like Lee Mead, he was the safe, boring choice for Joseph. They're not boring performers but you know what you'll get, whereas with a lot of the other it would have been something a bit different. |
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Lee was safe but he could also turn on some wow factor and play a leadership role and his acting competition had gone by the final 3. It didn't really matter so much if he didn't bring anything novel to the role because he looked right, could act on stage and could nail the big numbers. Danielle kept on getting praise for acting ability that was summed up for me by Sheila's telling us to interpret it as we wished.She wasn't in my top 3 vocalists or actors or for wow factor/stage presence. The show I thought needed an angle which was either a young Dorothy who would demand support, a fun(ny?) Dorothy who would keep them awake or a vocalist who could really do an Eva Cassidy wow moment on the big numbers - its got none of those things.
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In musical theatre, scenes have to be acted, songs primarily have to be sung. There is no crucial plot development being explained in Over The Rainbow, it is a beautiful musical moment best delivered by an excellent singer, rather than an indifferent singer who can act a bit.
If the acting out of this particular song is so terribly important, there seems little point downloading it to play on an iPod. It is possible to sing without acting or interpreting much at all and even be successful at it (someone posted an article that compared Leona Lewis to the better OTR girls) but if you wanted that you would have a tape of Leona Lewis ready to go and belt every big song in the show .Its going to look odd though when the song stands alone from the story. It is possible to have really good singers that can't act the character well or interpret a song well cast in a musical. There's a few cases around at the moment and even a few definitive versions that on second thoughts don't sound anything like the story or the character dictates. You can get away with it when enough people don't get the characters or the story on seeing it once but some people will notice. In some musicals there's not much story to convey so it won't notice much. Some people will even moan that they didn't get the version they have heard before or if the emotions challenge a few notes, On the whole though most musicals work better when you have someone acting the story when singng without any flip or loss of character - Legally Blonde or Chicago or Bloodbrothers without a great actress singing the first scene in role would both die in the first 5 minutes. Some people may want to see Les Mis sung by Subo, Leona and Beyonce but it doesn't appeal to me. The Wizard of Oz seemed to me to need someone who can either find a new interpretation/character that engages (and we never saw anyone fully allowed to do that) or it needs to copy the Judy Garland character so the singing involves the audience (which no one managed or was allowed to for me) or it needs a striking vocal performance (with intrepretation) that people say wow to - like they did when Eva Cassidy sang Judy Garland's big number. The show showed me Danielle doing best with 76 Trombones and Mambo Italiano and only Jenny actually had a (successful) go at being Eva - I am not that convinced. |
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