I enjoyed Russell's era, but I don't miss it.
Dr Who has gone very dark and turned into a horror. I miss the old days.
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Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I liked the changes of tone from comedy to tragedy and back again, and thought it worked well.
(And I'm not bashing the current series).”
“I liked the changes of tone from comedy to tragedy and back again, and thought it worked well.
(And I'm not bashing the current series).”
Fair enough.
Also (warning, incoming threadjack), how depressing is it that we have to put disclaimers on posts now to stop various factions from jumping in with accusations instead of actually debating these things?
According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!”
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!
”
Heh, sure they can, it's only if it's the SAME person saying both you've got a problem. Also possible psychosis.
Mind you that probably does show it's best to just let the producers do what they do and ignore any and all forum posts on the subject of tone. Yep, people will have their own take on it (and I can see both sides of this one) but so long as the majority are happy (and they seem to be) then stay the course.
Besides, it's Doctor Who, if you don't like the current story just hang on a little bit and something different will be along shortly. Part of the charm!
It feels a lot more on the adult side now.
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing
Originally Posted by smiddlehurst:
“Besides, it's Doctor Who, if you don't like the current story just hang on a little bit and something different will be along shortly. Part of the charm!”
“Besides, it's Doctor Who, if you don't like the current story just hang on a little bit and something different will be along shortly. Part of the charm!
”
I think you may have just put your finger on part of the problem for me there is no 'something different' at all the about the episodes, they have been tonally the same, no dynamic change in the way the different stories are told and directed. Nothing like the shift from 'Rose' to 'The End of The World' to the Unquiet Dead' in series one, all very different in tone and execution, be it writing/direction/tone palette.
I get the feeling that I'll know what the next episode will look and feel like (obviously in this case at the moment as its a part 2 'er,
but you get my drift)
Quote:
“allen_who
It feels a lot more on the adult side now.
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing”
“allen_who
It feels a lot more on the adult side now.
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing”
Well to be fair The Slitheen appeared in the first series of the relaunch, the first episode to be shot infact. A team of writers/producers/designers and so on finding their feet for a show that hadn't been made for many years. It is inevitable that some things will work and some will not. Considering the success of series one they didn't do that badly. The story itself is very classic Who of the 70's, corruptness, political and social commentary and above all 'dodgy' alien, I'm surprised the classic fans didn't lap this one up.
If your basing an entire 4 series on one alien don't by the classics whatever you do.
It like picking a dodgy alien from classic Who and saying that classic Who was childish, it doesn't really pan out does it.
As for the OP, no personally I'm not finding it dark or scary far from it, a dark lit scene doesn't make something in the story automatically dark, darkness in writing can be in the brightest day light, so no I'm not feeling the darkness or the horror...horror...the horror.
Well to be fair The Slitheen appeared in the first series of the relaunch, the first episode to be shot infact. A team of writers/producers/designers and so on finding their feet for a show that hadn't been made for many years. It is inevitable that some things will work and some will not. Considering the success of series one they didn't do that badly. The story itself is very classic Who of the 70's, corruptness, political and social commentary and above all 'dodgy' alien, I'm surprised the classic fans didn't lap this one up.
If your basing an entire 4 series on one alien don't by the classics whatever you do.
It like picking a dodgy alien from classic Who and saying that classic Who was childish, it doesn't really pan out does it.
It's not just the Slitheen... don't even get me on the Adipose ... blah...
Is this thread a p***-take?! 
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
Here, here...
It's not like they've been churning out episodes written by Clive Barker or Chuck Palahniuk.
I can't ever remember a time at being scared by anything in Doctor Who, have never once jumped during an episode, and have only ever viewed it as light entertainment.
However, I did feel a little uncomfortable with the whole 'dissection whilst still conscious' part of the last episode. But that was once in many, many episodes I've seen.
And I wouldn't class myself as particularly numb to that kind of thing...
There were a couple of moments in the most recent episode which i thought were a bit extreme for a family audience:
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...
Originally Posted by WhySoSerious123:
“Anyone else agree?”
“Anyone else agree?”
No. There has yet to be anything as scary in New Who as the suffocating chair from Terror of the Autons.
*shivers from childhood memories*
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“There were a couple of moments in the most recent episode which i thought were a bit extreme for a family audience:
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...”
“There were a couple of moments in the most recent episode which i thought were a bit extreme for a family audience:
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...”
None of those moments were as scary as Polly about to be surgically transformed into a fish creature in The Underwater Menace (1966), Jamie hiding in a box and suddenly realizing there's a dormant Cyberman in it with him and it's waking up in The Invasion (1968), or pretty much any episode from 1976, amongst many others. You could add up every genuinely scary moment in the last six years and it wouldn't equal the number of shocks in part three of The Deadly Assassin, yet a whole generation curiously failed to be psychologically scarred for life by that one. People are just too damn sensitive these days.
Can't say I understand this thread at all. I absolutely adore the "darker" Dr Who story, I think over the years most of my faves have been on the dark side. I'd heard alot of talk of this series being darker, but really that hasn't been the case. Amy's Choice had some dark subject matter, as did TBB and the Angels story, but nothing remotely comparable to stories such as Dalek, Waters of Mars, Midnight, Turn Left, even ep 1 of The End of Time (which sadly was a little let down by part 2). So Isay, bring on the dark side - sadly I'm expecting eps 10 and 11 to be a little more on the frothy side, but we shall see.
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!”
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!
”
No, plenty of horror is childish and lacking threat, and equally it is possible to be extremely menacing and not at all horror like.
Examples of the former are Love and Monsters, or Torchwood's wedding/pregnancy episode, of the latter then Midnight, Blink or TW Out of Time/Adrift.
You could also say that JS's manic master is the former, whereas DJ's version (who only kills one person) is much creepier...
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
“The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
Or indeed the Supreme commander taunting and shooting a blind man!
Originally Posted by aardvark85:
“Or indeed the Supreme commander taunting and shooting a blind man!”
“Or indeed the Supreme commander taunting and shooting a blind man!”
Wasn't she President by then?
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Wasn't she President by then?”
“Wasn't she President by then?”
Yes. But whereas lots of people have been president, there is only one supreme commander.
We should start a "Scariest Who Moment" thread and have a vote.
I'd definite vote the suffocating chair, that had me running from inflatable furniture for years. In fact I am still running from inflatable furniture but I am not sure when fear turned into fashion sense
I'd definite vote the suffocating chair, that had me running from inflatable furniture for years. In fact I am still running from inflatable furniture but I am not sure when fear turned into fashion sense
i love that the series has gotten a more gothic style feel to it, it provides the retro feel of the early Dr Who shows and series 5 has by far had the greatest setof episodes the show has ever had!
i mean Blink failsin comparison to thegenuine terror of The Time Of Angels/Flesh & Stone. i have never been so scared of a creature on Dr Who before that episode, so wonderfully shot.
the entireseries 5 has been very filmlike for a smaller budget which is what i have loved. the characters and actorshave been so brilliant and the scriptsvery reminiscent of Buffy in terms of dramactic irony, script,wit,beautifully shot scenes and sequences and well contained plot!
my favourite episodes of Doctor Who ever have been The Eleventh Hour,TTOA/F&S and Amy's Choice and also TheHungry Earth/Cold Blood looks set to be another (previous favourites are Empty Child two parter,Utopia,Silence In The Library two parter,Midnight,Turn Left and Journey's End two part story)
also loved Vampires Of Venice and think Beast Below and Victory Of The Daleks are extremely underrated, i really like those episodes!
overall, the themes explored in this series havebeen far more maturely dealt with and i wouldn't be surprised if the series recieved a 12 certification as some shot scenes are very maturely dealt with and horrifically implied, plussome great psychological scares and sci-fi action along with someclaustrophobic setting and menace!
LOVE IT!!! also, sure the following 4 episodes will remain amazing!
i mean Blink failsin comparison to thegenuine terror of The Time Of Angels/Flesh & Stone. i have never been so scared of a creature on Dr Who before that episode, so wonderfully shot.
the entireseries 5 has been very filmlike for a smaller budget which is what i have loved. the characters and actorshave been so brilliant and the scriptsvery reminiscent of Buffy in terms of dramactic irony, script,wit,beautifully shot scenes and sequences and well contained plot!
my favourite episodes of Doctor Who ever have been The Eleventh Hour,TTOA/F&S and Amy's Choice and also TheHungry Earth/Cold Blood looks set to be another (previous favourites are Empty Child two parter,Utopia,Silence In The Library two parter,Midnight,Turn Left and Journey's End two part story)
also loved Vampires Of Venice and think Beast Below and Victory Of The Daleks are extremely underrated, i really like those episodes!
overall, the themes explored in this series havebeen far more maturely dealt with and i wouldn't be surprised if the series recieved a 12 certification as some shot scenes are very maturely dealt with and horrifically implied, plussome great psychological scares and sci-fi action along with someclaustrophobic setting and menace!
LOVE IT!!! also, sure the following 4 episodes will remain amazing!
Originally Posted by aardvark85:
“Yes. But whereas lots of people have been president, there is only one supreme commander.”
“Yes. But whereas lots of people have been president, there is only one supreme commander.”
Spoiler
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
That's what I was thinking. I found some of the stories in the old NuWho series a lot more scary. I haven't found any tension or suspense in series 5 at all though I love Matt Smith as the Doctor. I think It's more to do with how it's filmed and edited than the actual stories though and I think with a new production team and crew it's changed a lot.
the show cant really win can it?
if its too dark (how can it be TOO dark its on before 7pm!!) people complain and if its too light (more children friendly) people complain! What can the show do?
If I want to watch darker, more adult stuff i'd watch Torchwood and if i want to watch the lighter stuff, i'd watch SJA!
Personally, I think the show's fine the way it is as long as I dont over-analyse every tiny little detail in each episode and remember its only a TV show and doesnt impact in any way of my real life. and I dont really see any difference in who's been writing it, whether its RTD or SM or anyone else! DW is for Kids, Adults, Brainiacs and Non-Brainiacs its got to appeal to EVERYONE! (a-thankyew )
if its too dark (how can it be TOO dark its on before 7pm!!) people complain and if its too light (more children friendly) people complain! What can the show do?
If I want to watch darker, more adult stuff i'd watch Torchwood and if i want to watch the lighter stuff, i'd watch SJA!
Personally, I think the show's fine the way it is as long as I dont over-analyse every tiny little detail in each episode and remember its only a TV show and doesnt impact in any way of my real life.
and I dont really see any difference in who's been writing it, whether its RTD or SM or anyone else! DW is for Kids, Adults, Brainiacs and Non-Brainiacs its got to appeal to EVERYONE! (a-thankyew )
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!”
“According to some in the long thread out there it's now too childish and lacking any threat
Colour me confused cause there is no way that both views can be correct!!!
”
lol yes...
Originally Posted by smiddlehurst:
“Heh, sure they can, it's only if it's the SAME person saying both you've got a problem. Also possible psychosis.
Mind you that probably does show it's best to just let the producers do what they do and ignore any and all forum posts on the subject of tone. Yep, people will have their own take on it (and I can see both sides of this one) but so long as the majority are happy (and they seem to be) then stay the course.
Besides, it's Doctor Who, if you don't like the current story just hang on a little bit and something different will be along shortly. Part of the charm!”
“Heh, sure they can, it's only if it's the SAME person saying both you've got a problem. Also possible psychosis.
Mind you that probably does show it's best to just let the producers do what they do and ignore any and all forum posts on the subject of tone. Yep, people will have their own take on it (and I can see both sides of this one) but so long as the majority are happy (and they seem to be) then stay the course.
Besides, it's Doctor Who, if you don't like the current story just hang on a little bit and something different will be along shortly. Part of the charm!
”
Oh I couldn't agree more with that even if I wanted too!!! Exactly....it makes me glad that the makers of the show don't listen to us...if they did it would be what Heroes became....
Originally Posted by allen_who:
“It feels a lot more on the adult side now.
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing”
“It feels a lot more on the adult side now.
I couldn't imagine one of those Slitheen showing up anytime soon.... You have to admit that's a blessing
”
Well, the rainbow Daleks, a space whale that throws up, and grannies who spit can easily come under the same label for some that Slitheen is for you....
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
“Is this thread a p***-take?!
From where I'm sitting, there is next to nothing in this current series to back up this argument. Old people possessed by bad CGI? Mighty Morphin Power Daleks? What's dark or horrific about either of those?
The return of the Angels is the scariest we've had this year - and even that fell short of Blink by quite a long way.
As for dark, nothing tops Midnight - by quite a long way the darkest and most adult episode of the new series.”
I agree Midnight was definitely the Darkest!!!
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“There were a couple of moments in the most recent episode which i thought were a bit extreme for a family audience:
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...”
“There were a couple of moments in the most recent episode which i thought were a bit extreme for a family audience:
1. Amy trapped in the glass box
2. "Dad"'s comment about being dissected while conscious
3. The Silurian surgeon approaching Amy with a scalpel
I thought these were "12 rated" moments, and they gave me the creeps.
This year's DW has seemed very different from that which has gone before. There has been a fairytale feeling, and a dreamlike sense of unreality. I would have thought the little'uns would be scared just as much as in previous years, but I've not yet seen anything as scary as the "haunted house" episode of Sarah Jane ...”
yes that was hell scary!!!
Originally Posted by aardvark85:
“No, plenty of horror is childish and lacking threat, and equally it is possible to be extremely menacing and not at all horror like.
Examples of the former are Love and Monsters, or Torchwood's wedding/pregnancy episode, of the latter then Midnight, Blink or TW Out of Time/Adrift.
You could also say that JS's manic master is the former, whereas DJ's version (who only kills one person) is much creepier...”
“No, plenty of horror is childish and lacking threat, and equally it is possible to be extremely menacing and not at all horror like.
Examples of the former are Love and Monsters, or Torchwood's wedding/pregnancy episode, of the latter then Midnight, Blink or TW Out of Time/Adrift.
You could also say that JS's manic master is the former, whereas DJ's version (who only kills one person) is much creepier...”
For me, if I was to meet the Jacobi Master, when he is the master not as the lovable professor....I would know form looking at him that he would kill me eventually....but with Simm Master, I would think he was either a charasmatic charmer, or a bit doolaly with his bad jokes, and before I know it, he would have killed me with poison gass, and smiled throughout while I died.....so I from that alone I know who is the darker Master And therefore I wouldn't like to meet!
Originally Posted by Josh Pinder:
“i love that the series has gotten a more gothic style feel to it, it provides the retro feel of the early Dr Who shows and series 5 has by far had the greatest setof episodes the show has ever had!
i mean Blink failsin comparison to thegenuine terror of The Time Of Angels/Flesh & Stone. i have never been so scared of a creature on Dr Who before that episode, so wonderfully shot.
the entireseries 5 has been very filmlike for a smaller budget which is what i have loved. the characters and actorshave been so brilliant and the scriptsvery reminiscent of Buffy in terms of dramactic irony, script,wit,beautifully shot scenes and sequences and well contained plot!
my favourite episodes of Doctor Who ever have been The Eleventh Hour,TTOA/F&S and Amy's Choice and also TheHungry Earth/Cold Blood looks set to be another (previous favourites are Empty Child two parter,Utopia,Silence In The Library two parter,Midnight,Turn Left and Journey's End two part story)
also loved Vampires Of Venice and think Beast Below and Victory Of The Daleks are extremely underrated, i really like those episodes!
overall, the themes explored in this series havebeen far more maturely dealt with and i wouldn't be surprised if the series recieved a 12 certification as some shot scenes are very maturely dealt with and horrifically implied, plussome great psychological scares and sci-fi action along with someclaustrophobic setting and menace!
LOVE IT!!! also, sure the following 4 episodes will remain amazing!”
“i love that the series has gotten a more gothic style feel to it, it provides the retro feel of the early Dr Who shows and series 5 has by far had the greatest setof episodes the show has ever had!
i mean Blink failsin comparison to thegenuine terror of The Time Of Angels/Flesh & Stone. i have never been so scared of a creature on Dr Who before that episode, so wonderfully shot.
the entireseries 5 has been very filmlike for a smaller budget which is what i have loved. the characters and actorshave been so brilliant and the scriptsvery reminiscent of Buffy in terms of dramactic irony, script,wit,beautifully shot scenes and sequences and well contained plot!
my favourite episodes of Doctor Who ever have been The Eleventh Hour,TTOA/F&S and Amy's Choice and also TheHungry Earth/Cold Blood looks set to be another (previous favourites are Empty Child two parter,Utopia,Silence In The Library two parter,Midnight,Turn Left and Journey's End two part story)
also loved Vampires Of Venice and think Beast Below and Victory Of The Daleks are extremely underrated, i really like those episodes!
overall, the themes explored in this series havebeen far more maturely dealt with and i wouldn't be surprised if the series recieved a 12 certification as some shot scenes are very maturely dealt with and horrifically implied, plussome great psychological scares and sci-fi action along with someclaustrophobic setting and menace!
LOVE IT!!! also, sure the following 4 episodes will remain amazing!”
All the previous Doctor Who box sets have been 12 certificate...so series 5 will very likely to be too.
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