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Your favourite Sixth Doctor moment!
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crazzyaz7
26-05-2010
Been a while since i started a thread...and talking about the Sixth Doctor on a couple of threads, made me think about his Doctor, and when I do I can't help but think of my upmost favourite moment of his!

Its the scene from Vengeance on Varos where the tardis has stalled and the Doctor feels he cannot fix it....he literally gives up and sits down. Now that moment for me is so Doctorish....yet it is a moment i cannot for once imagine any other Doctor do....and therefore I just love it so much! With my favourite line of his to Peri:


I"t's all right for you, Peri. You've only got one life. You'll age here in the TARDIS and then die. But me, I shall go on regenerating until all my lives are spent."




So what are your favourite Sixth Doctor moments?

Please don't make nasty remarks about TCB...but lighthearted fun always welcome
chuffnobbler
26-05-2010
So many great moments!

- Pondering eating a cat, in the Two Doctors.

- His shock and horror at the end of Trial pt.8 / start of 9.

- Pretending to use the exercise machine thingie when he thinks Mel isn't looking.

Love 'im!
lach doch mal
26-05-2010
**nah he was rubbish, and wore a horrible coat**

Just kidding of course.

I have quite a few, but I won't go into any of them in detail. I think what I liked about the sixt's doctor was that he was really interesting, dark and funny at the same time, and that you could never predict how he would react. I also liked that he was so arrogant and pompous, and that he thought the world of himself. I even like the twin dilemma and the strangling scene, however, strange was a bold move.
lach doch mal
26-05-2010
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“So many great moments!

- Pondering eating a cat, in the Two Doctors.

- His shock and horror at the end of Trial pt.8 / start of 9.

- Pretending to use the exercise machine thingie when he thinks Mel isn't looking.

Love 'im!”

Yes they are all great.
Residents Fan
26-05-2010
Not one of my favourite Doctors, but I like his anger towards
Davros in "Revelation" ("Do you never do anything but
kill?" and the grim humour of "No 'arm in trying.")
daveyboy7472
26-05-2010
For me it has to the 'skidaddle' technique from Mindwarp. Not a great fan of this story but think Colin Baker was at his humourous best and I like the way he said the Urak(whatever it was called) winked at Peri, 'No accounting for Alien Taste.'

serton
26-05-2010
I just love the way he slightly sits back a bit and waits in Terror of the Vervoids for the people to come to him. I think that story really shows CB off at some of his best.
Muttley76
26-05-2010
My favorite Sixth Doctor moment is his very first scene. Even as a kid who was really upset about The Fifth Doctor regeneration I was amused by it. Unfortunately it was pretty much down hill all the way for me after that, I'm afraid...
Maffmoose
26-05-2010
"Carrot juice!"
meglosmurmurs
26-05-2010
The last couple of episodes of Trial of a Time Lord, realising who the Valeyard was, coming out of the quicksand, trying to get an appointment with the owner of the factory ect

I've been to that museum on a school trip , was quite surreal to notice specific parts of the building from the story.
Face Of Jack
26-05-2010
I liked the comment he made to Peri about their time with Sil -"I remember when he tried to change you into a bird - Could've cost me a fortune in bird seed!!"
CELT1987
26-05-2010
I actually quite liked Colin Baker as the Doctor. I have always thought he was underated. If his scripts were better, he could have been a fantastic Doctor. Liked the scene in Revelation of the Daleks, when Peri broke the Doctor's watch.
daveyboy7472
26-05-2010
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“I actually quite liked Colin Baker as the Doctor. I have always thought he was underated. If his scripts were better, he could have been a fantastic Doctor. Liked the scene in Revelation of the Daleks, when Peri broke the Doctor's watch.”

I think that scene, along with all the first episode scenes in that story, were some of the worst he starred in outside The Twin Dilemma. In the second episode he became much more how I liked him to be. I've written several times on this forum how I think he could have been a fantastic Doctor not only because the scripts could have bene better but if he'd had a better producer who wouldn't have lumbered him with such a ridiculous costume and started off his Doctor so unlikeable, it's seems that's all the casual viewer can remember about him when he was so much more than that.
THEHANDOFOMEGA
26-05-2010
Mine is the moment when he watch was smashed. It was a very Oliver Hardy like pose
crazzyaz7
26-05-2010
I really like some of those moments mentioned alreadu....can't give an opinion on Trial as I haven't seen it, although I have seen bits and bobs...and I do like the bit where he says to the Timelords that the Daleks and the lot are in nursery compared to them....love the style he says it in...

Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“I think that scene, along with all the first episode scenes in that story, were some of the worst he starred in outside The Twin Dilemma. In the second episode he became much more how I liked him to be. I've written several times on this forum how I think he could have been a fantastic Doctor not only because the scripts could have bene better but if he'd had a better producer who wouldn't have lumbered him with such a ridiculous costume and started off his Doctor so unlikeable, it's seems that's all the casual viewer can remember about him when he was so much more than that. ”


Having watched some of the Colin Baker stuff as someone who obviously didn't grow up with it, and therefore didn't watch it in the contempary era....when I read some of the criticism, and watch a story from that era...I don't always see the bad stuff as much as its usually pointed out. For example, yes i would agree that the coat is an eyesore, and yes the stories like the Twin Dilemma iaren't perfect, and Peri's boobs are distrcting, but in a good way (sorry boys)....but there seems to be a certain charm that allows me to be able to sit through all the stories and still enjoy them....maybe when I watch them I take the whole time thing into my head, so production values don't bother me, while i guess if you were watching it during that time, you would see other "better" produced stuff, like effects or whatever, that Doctor Who would look shoddy....just like current Doctor Who (and I am including the last five years before someone accuses me of bashing the new series) effects and prodution looks shoddy compared to a lot of the American productions, but not too much. So I wonder how much outside influences were giving Doctor Who in the time of Baker, a bad name....

sorry went on a tangent there



To return the thread on topic, has anyone listend to the Sixth Doctor audios and if so, any special moments that stand out in those?
lach doch mal
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“I really like some of those moments mentioned alreadu....can't give an opinion on Trial as I haven't seen it, although I have seen bits and bobs...and I do like the bit where he says to the Timelords that the Daleks and the lot are in nursery compared to them....love the style he says it in...




Having watched some of the Colin Baker stuff as someone who obviously didn't grow up with it, and therefore didn't watch it in the contempary era....when I read some of the criticism, and watch a story from that era...I don't always see the bad stuff as much as its usually pointed out. For example, yes i would agree that the coat is an eyesore, and yes the stories like the Twin Dilemma iaren't perfect, and Peri's boobs are distrcting, but in a good way (sorry boys)....but there seems to be a certain charm that allows me to be able to sit through all the stories and still enjoy them....maybe when I watch them I take the whole time thing into my head, so production values don't bother me, while i guess if you were watching it during that time, you would see other "better" produced stuff, like effects or whatever, that Doctor Who would look shoddy....just like current Doctor Who (and I am including the last five years before someone accuses me of bashing the new series) effects and prodution looks shoddy compared to a lot of the American productions, but not too much. So I wonder how much outside influences were giving Doctor Who in the time of Baker, a bad name....

sorry went on a tangent there



To return the thread on topic, has anyone listend to the Sixth Doctor audios and if so, any special moments that stand out in those?”

Is it off tangent, we are still talking about the sixt doctor, aren't we. I agree though with what you say, I cannot see any of the bad things either, and it must have been because I didn't see it the first time round. I actually like the twin dilemma, I know shock, horror. However, I didn't watch it when Peter Davison (who seems very much liked) just died and regenerated into Colin Baker.

Anyway, I haven't listened to any of them, but some people seem to really rate them (Audio tapes).
darthbibble
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“To return the thread on topic, has anyone listend to the Sixth Doctor audios and if so, any special moments that stand out in those?”

The Sixth Doctor audios are superb I really suggest you check some out.

Personal highlights for me

The "Life wins" speech in The Apocalypse Element
Talking to Eugine at the end of "The Holy Terror" - That story being my favourite Doctor Who story in any medium
The 2nd cliffhanger in "Doctor Who And The Pirates"
The Brigadier recognising the Doctor by his clothes in "The Spectre Of Lanyon Moor"
Complaining about how he regenerated to the recently "deceased" Eighth Doctor in "Zagreus"

Plus many many more
tingramretro
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“
Having watched some of the Colin Baker stuff as someone who obviously didn't grow up with it, and therefore didn't watch it in the contempary era....when I read some of the criticism, and watch a story from that era...I don't always see the bad stuff as much as its usually pointed out. For example, yes i would agree that the coat is an eyesore, and yes the stories like the Twin Dilemma iaren't perfect, and Peri's boobs are distrcting, but in a good way (sorry boys)....but there seems to be a certain charm that allows me to be able to sit through all the stories and still enjoy them....maybe when I watch them I take the whole time thing into my head, so production values don't bother me, while i guess if you were watching it during that time, you would see other "better" produced stuff, like effects or whatever, that Doctor Who would look shoddy....just like current Doctor Who (and I am including the last five years before someone accuses me of bashing the new series) effects and prodution looks shoddy compared to a lot of the American productions, but not too much. So I wonder how much outside influences were giving Doctor Who in the time of Baker, a bad name....”

Not much, since most TV sci-fi (what there was of it) at the time wasn't significantly better than Doctor Who in technical terms. Star Trek TNG had more money admittedly, but that was after Colin's time and the technological advances weren't there yet to make it significantly better in any case. The opening scene of Trial of a Time Lord was probably the single most impressive effects shot seen on TV in the eighties. Where stuff like Doctor Who (and every other TV show) fell down was in comparison to big budget movies, since the public seemed unable to grasp the difference in scale between TV and movie budgets and cut the TV stuff any slack.

And to correct a common misapprehension: Colin's era wasn't by any means unpopular with the general public anyway, and neither was Colin as a Doctor, despite what fan myth says these days. The viewing figures were still quite respectable during Colin's tenure and he was always on some show or other promoting Doctor Who. The show didn't begin its slow decline until the McCoy era when, having been prevented from cancelling it in 1985, the BBC deliberately stuck it in a slot where it was guaranteed to fail. Colin's Who didn't have a bad name at the time.
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“To return the thread on topic, has anyone listend to the Sixth Doctor audios and if so, any special moments that stand out in those?”

I love the sixth Doctor audios, but in particular the whole of 'The Pirates'. It's just such a bizarre romp of a story.
lach doch mal
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
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...And to correct a common misapprehension: Colin's era wasn't by any means unpopular with the general public anyway, and neither was Colin as a Doctor, despite what fan myth says these days. The viewing figures were still quite respectable during Colin's tenure and he was always on some show or other promoting Doctor Who. The show didn't begin its slow decline until the McCoy era when, having been prevented from cancelling it in 1985, the BBC deliberately stuck it in a slot where it was guaranteed to fail. ...”

You see I don't understand that at all, althought I think I'm starting to agree with your assessment. When I first watched the Colin Baker series I was expecting rubbish, because generally the myth seems to have been perpetuated that it was rubbish. However, it isn't, and I wonder if, like in recent times, a vocal minority keeps perpetuating the myth (viewing figures should be a better indication, right?).
crazzyaz7
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“I

Having watched some of the Colin Baker stuff as someone who obviously didn't grow up with it, and therefore didn't watch it in the contempary era....when I read some of the criticism, and watch a story from that era...I don't always see the bad stuff as much as its usually pointed out. For example, yes i would agree that the coat is an eyesore, and yes the stories like the Twin Dilemma iaren't perfect, and Peri's boobs are distrcting, but in a good way (sorry boys)....”

I just noticed i forgot a very big word in that sentence!!!! I meant to say that its NOT in a good way!!!

Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Is it off tangent, we are still talking about the sixt doctor, aren't we I agree though with what you say, I cannot see any of the bad things either, and it must have been because I didn't see it the first time round. I actually like the twin dilemma, I know shock, horror. However, I didn't watch it when Peter Davison (who seems very much liked) just died and regenerated into Colin Baker.

Anyway, I haven't listened to any of them, but some people seem to really rate them (Audio tapes).”

I guess its not completely off topic, but I thought maybe it be such a subject may lead to lots of other (if interesting conversations) instead of concentrating on the good points of the era....but I think I was more apologetic about my essay view!! So carry on!!

Originally Posted by darthbibble:
“The Sixth Doctor audios are superb I really suggest you check some out.

Personal highlights for me

The "Life wins" speech in The Apocalypse Element
Talking to Eugine at the end of "The Holy Terror" - That story being my favourite Doctor Who story in any medium
The 2nd cliffhanger in "Doctor Who And The Pirates"
The Brigadier recognising the Doctor by his clothes in "The Spectre Of Lanyon Moor"
Complaining about how he regenerated to the recently "deceased" Eighth Doctor in "Zagreus"

Plus many many more”

I have listend to a couple, but its been some time now, at least over a year, so my mind is blank on the stand out moments right now, but I do remember enjoying some of them immensly...Jubilee and the One Doctor in particular....

Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Not much, since most TV sci-fi (what there was of it) at the time wasn't significantly better than Doctor Who in technical terms. Star Trek TNG had more money admittedly, but that was after Colin's time and the technological advances weren't there yet to make it significantly better in any case. The opening scene of Trial of a Time Lord was probably the single most impressive effects shot seen on TV in the eighties. Where stuff like Doctor Who (and every other TV show) fell down was in comparison to big budget movies, since the public seemed unable to grasp the difference in scale between TV and movie budgets and cut the TV stuff any slack.

And to correct a common misapprehension: Colin's era wasn't by any means unpopular with the general public anyway, and neither was Colin as a Doctor, despite what fan myth says these days. The viewing figures were still quite respectable during Colin's tenure and he was always on some show or other promoting Doctor Who. The show didn't begin its slow decline until the McCoy era when, having been prevented from cancelling it in 1985, the BBC deliberately stuck it in a slot where it was guaranteed to fail. Colin's Who didn't have a bad name at the time.I love the sixth Doctor audios, but in particular the whole of 'The Pirates'. It's just such a bizarre romp of a story.”


I do remember someone saying that a lot of comparisons were being made to the star wars films...in terms of the effects that is. But thanks for that

Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“You see I don't understand that at all, althought I think I'm starting to agree with your assessment. When I first watched the Colin Baker series I was expecting rubbish, because generally the myth seems to have been perpetuated that it was rubbish. However, it isn't, and I wonder if, like in recent times, a vocal minority keeps perpetuating the myth (viewing figures should be a better indication, right?).”

It would make sense wouldn't it? I mean we only have to look at the last five years and the current series to now how loud the vocal minority can be...when in overall terms these past few years and today Doctor Who is on high...and no sign of slowing down yet....and long may it continue....

I guess when it was cancelled in 1986 (was it then?) i have come across the whole hoo haa that surrounded that time with things i have read....and obviously there was enough suppoert for it for the BBC to give in...Shame though that Colin wasn't brought back...
darthbibble
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“One Doctor in particular....”

That's a great bit in that when locked in a cell the Doctor say's he's going to use the electronic drinks dispenser (or something similar) to get the door open.... cue the next scene where the Doctor is bashing at the door with the machine....
andym08home
27-05-2010
even though i've only seen the 5th doctor's regeneration into the 6th doctor i still think his opening lines are my favorite "your expecting someone else" and "change my dear, and it seems not a moment too soon"
tingramretro
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“You see I don't understand that at all, althought I think I'm starting to agree with your assessment. When I first watched the Colin Baker series I was expecting rubbish, because generally the myth seems to have been perpetuated that it was rubbish. However, it isn't, and I wonder if, like in recent times, a vocal minority keeps perpetuating the myth (viewing figures should be a better indication, right?).”

I think that's basically it. Every Doctor has had their detractors and they're generally pretty vocal, they were at the time, but Colin was nowhere near as unpopular as a lot of people seem to believe. If he had been, there wouldn't have been such a huge outcry when the BBC decided to 'rest' the series in 1985, causing them to have to back down on what appears to have been a sneaky attempt at cancelling it (and Colin was very much in the forefront of the campaign to keep it going, which I still believe is partly why they fired him). The one significant group that Doctor Who was deeply unpopular with was BBC management, as it was too popular to drop but really didn't fit in with their overall plans.

Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“I guess when it was cancelled in 1986 (was it then?) i have come across the whole hoo haa that surrounded that time with things i have read....and obviously there was enough suppoert for it for the BBC to give in...Shame though that Colin wasn't brought back...”

It was in early 1985 that they put the show 'on hiatus'. It returned in late '86 after it became obvious they weren't going to be allowed to just not bring it back, so instead they scheduled the 1987 series against the country's most popular soap opera and didn't bother to promote it at all. It still hung on for three more series' though, even with the odds stacked against it.
Listentome
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by CELT1987:
“I actually quite liked Colin Baker as the Doctor. I have always thought he was underated. If his scripts were better, he could have been a fantastic Doctor. Liked the scene in Revelation of the Daleks, when Peri broke the Doctor's watch.”

That scene is disgusting. It is clearly alluding to the fact that she damaged his willy! That sort of thing does not belong in Doctor Who. Its thanks to scenes like that one that we now get the soft porn stuff like at the end of Flesh and Stone with Amy and Doc11.

I am joking of course.
daveyboy7472
27-05-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“ I just noticed i forgot a very big word in that sentence!!!! I meant to say that its NOT in a good way!!!

I guess when it was cancelled in 1986 (was it then?) i have come across the whole hoo haa that surrounded that time with things i have read....and obviously there was enough suppoert for it for the BBC to give in...Shame though that Colin wasn't brought back...”

Crazzy, think you had it right first time round!lol!

I agree Colin Baker should not have been sacked. I've said previously an another thread that he was treated badly all round. Firstly, as I said in my last post, he was given an awful costume/scripts/debut story by the producer. He seemed to have taken the flack for it's hiatus in 86' and then pushed out of the role by a man who felt the show needed refreshing, but it was his fault the viewing figures fell in Season 23 in the first place. After taking the show of air for 18 months he did a lot of damage to the show's ratings. Colin Baker should not have been blamed for that.

Maybe if JNT had been replaced after Season 22 and the show kept on air, we may have seen Baker in the role for longer. In Season 23, he was such a better, funny and compassionate Doctor. I loved all that stuff about the books with Balazar in The Mysterious Planet. In Mindwarp, aside from what mentioned earlier, I loved all that stuff with Yrcanos and trying to keep him quiet in Episode 4 for that Elder. His reaction to Peri's death was probably the best bit of acting he did in the show. Terror of The Vervoids, the scene where he can't get a word in edgeways as Mel and Lasky talk and then the last two Parts, he finished on a high. His dialogue with both Glitz and Popplewick were really, really funny!

I love the Season 23 Sixth Doctor. If he'd started that way, I'd have had no complaints him following Peter Davison. You'd still have the contrast but not in a negative way.
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