Somewhere underneath Adele

In the spirit of Vab's earlier post, some old rarities buried in text files that i didn't post at the time.
Starting with a mod theme, a group only mentioned once, Graham Bond's Organ-isation

Graham Bond Organization - Train Time

More organ with another rare UK mod group not yet mentioned, The Untamed with this James Brown cover.

The Untamed - I'll Go Crazy

More Untamed with some blue eyed pop

The Untamed - My Baby Is Gone

Finally blues rock from a group featuring Steve Marriot from The Small faces

Humble Pie - Natural Born boogie

Don't think we have had any Gospel tracks on this thread . A stomping R&B gospel track from Big Maybelle , no comparison to most of today's rather insipid offerings

Big Maybelle - Do Lord

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beCun9Qgtno

Seems to have gone quiet again on this thread after a sudden burst of recent activity

Billy J Kramer & The Dakotas - Every Time You Walk In The Room

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwmafeSmbuQ

Define hit?

It made number 25 on the Radio London (Big L) fab 40 in 1967. And as there was no official chart until BMRB took over in 1968 (the BBC used to make one up based on all the published charts) then it could be defined as a hit.

the guiness book is used as the official guide and it does not feature in that, besides radio london is local.

Umm - but the GBHS is based on various charts starting with the NME and then Record Retailer from 1960 onwards. And I was referring to Big L - the pirate radio station Radio London not any local station that came along in the 1970's.

But the point is that until 1968 there was no official chart, although Record Retailer was used by the music industry as a pointer. It was the diversity of charts that resulted in the BBC and RR out sourcing to BMRB in 1968 to claim the title of official chart. This was later taken over by Gallup.

My point is until 1968 there was no official chart, regardless of what the GBHS says and many people followed their own preference, whether it was NME, Melody Maker, Disc And Music Echo, Record Mirror (which was the Record Retailer chart after 1962) and from 1965 to 1967 the pirate stations.

Pirate radio charts were often considered to be a truer reflection of public preferences.

It is difficult to define exactly the term hit or official chart entry prior to BMRB as each publication has a legitimate claim. In fact historically the NME chart preceeded all others by two years when it published it's first chart in November 1952. Record mirror who were the next did not appear until 1954.

Neil Diamond's Solitary Man reached no 25 on the pirate Radio London chart in June 1966 and reached no 41 on the Disc and Music Echo chart in July 1966.

And GBHS is not perfect by any means, especially the earlier editions.

Trad Jazz was a popular genre in the early sixties, but we haven't had too much of it on the thread recently, so here are two tracks apiece by two great Trad Jazz bands.

Kenny Ball and his Jazzmen - Samantha (1961)
This did actually make the UK Top Twenty back then , but you don't hear it played too often these days, which is a pity because imho it's one of Kenny's best.

Kennny Ball and his Jazzmen - Rondo (1963)
Kenny does Mozart. Wonderful stuff.

The Village Stompers - Washington Square (1963)
As their name suggests the Village Stompers originated in Greenwich Village, New York City. I don't think the term Trad Jazz was used in the USA so this band would probably have referred to the style of music they played as Dixieland. Whatever label you give it, it's great stuff.

The Village Stompers - Dominique (1964)
The original voice and acoustic guitar version of this song by a Belgian nun was a surprise US Number One single. What is also surprising is how well her song works in a completely different genre.

i hear what you say and its a fair point. however, out of the mists of unofficial charts pre-68 it was guiness who compiled a referance point . id suggest that although imperfect, its the best guide there is.

plus after many years of attending pop music quizes the hosts have always used the guiness book as 'the' definitive guide.

it would however, be interesting to see a new study on the subject with other factors being taken into account, ie tracks qualifying as 'hits' when they made lower positions not counted from the pre-68 charts. id expect 'solitary man' to then feature. but until then, ill be sticking with the gbhs as the most informative scource.

anyway, after reading about dexys midnight runners reforming, thought id use that as an excuse to discover some tracks from their eponymously titled single 'geno' , geno washington and the ram jam band.

their singles from 66/7 (non charters)
'water'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3oVSEf02us


'que sera sera' (yes a cover of doris days!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cFyDhO6AVU

'michael' (the lover)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sZfEfna7eY

'she shot a hole in my soul'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYtrsB6Dqt0



'hi hi hazel'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei7wYtj5vYQ


'tell it like it is'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBHVkO90W90

class music imho.

There is quite a lot of resource material on the web that probably needs to be collated and verified and would prove to be a pretty definitive reference book.

Interestingly Stuart (or is it Stewart - I can never remember) Coleman's British Hit Parade CD series (1961 has just hit the shops) actually reaches over several charts and not just the ones in the GBHS. I've had to explain this to a couple of people who were doubting the validity and integrity of GBHS once they obtained the CD set. (I'm in the fortunate position of knowing some people who have provided tracks for these sets.)

Don't get me wrong, GBHS is about as good as it gets and I have several editions. But bear in mind 2 of the original compilers have BBC connections. Also Tony Jasper's Chart book (long out of print and originally published before GBHS) tells a different story as it uses a different chart as it's base.

But yes I agree any single topic quiz should define it's reference point and it is certainly a bible for quizzers and question masters. it's just not gospel!

what did the bbc use prior to 68?... i think if any chart was to one to refer to it would be the one the bbc used.

ive got tony jaspars book... well one... solitary man isnt in that! :P lol... i use the guiness book of chart hits now, it only has the top 40 .

some rarer monkees tracks.... please feel free to add (i gotta go soon!)

what am i doing hangin round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izj6INxMfy4

no time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mivgw...eature=related


cuddly toy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emLj...eature=related

shades of grey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF9T4OpGNQY

Not a Monkees track but one by Michael Nesmith , must have been listening to Buddy Holly by the sound of it .

Well , Well , Well - Michael Nesmith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYydP...eature=related

Just found this thread and it has brought back so many memories!

I have a question though regarding a beautiful song that I am sure was sung by Ben E King (possibly with the Drifters) which was called 'Goodnight My Love' which was played at the close of transmission of Radio Luxembourg each night (?). Or is my age and memory playing tricks?

Would love to know if anyone else remembers.

The BBC originally used to make up their own chart based on the entries in NME, Melody Maker, Disc (which became Disc And Music Echo) and later Record Mirror. They awarded some form of points system by combining all those charts and produced their own chart for Sunday Afternoon's Pick Of The Pops.

It really is worth reading Alan Smith's History Of The Charts article on Dave McAleer's 50's and 60's Charts site to get the actual truth. And also why GBHS is not necessarily the gospel that it has become.

The article is here
http://www.davemcaleer.com/page22.htm

Of special interest the section on Please Please Me/19th Nervous breakdown makes very interesting reading.

Solitary Man isn't in Tony Jasper's book because he based his on Record Mirror.

i dont remember, but ben e king did have a track of that title in 1966, so you are probably right!

glad you like the thread


fair points

anyway, after reading about dexys midnight runners reforming, thought id use that as an excuse to discover some tracks from their eponymously titled single 'geno' , geno washington and the ram jam band.

A really top group playing "live", nearly all their gigs were sold out, but oddly never really cracked the charts..

A few tracks from 1965 that were hits in the USA but not in the UK.

Marvin Gaye - Ain't That Peculiar (1965)
I'd much rather listen to mid-sixties Marvin than his more critically acclaimed earlier seventies stuff.

The Shangri-Las - I Can Never Go Home Anymore (1965)
I'm not too keen on Leader Of The Pack, but I'm rather fond of most of the other tracks this girl group recorded. This track is a very recent discovery and I like it a lot.

Alvin Cash and the Crawlers - Twine Time (1965)
Another recent discovery. Great track.

The Gentrys - Keep On Dancin' (1965)
A 1971 cover version gave the Bay City Rollers their first ever UK hit single, but let's conveniently forget that fact and enjoy the Gentrys' version, which is a fine track.

The Righteous Brothers - Ebb Tide (1965)
Love this duo, love this track.

Little Anthony and the Imperials - Hurt So Bad (1965)
Little Anthony and the Imperials may not be be one of the best known black American vocal harmony groups of the sixties, but imho they're certainly one of the best.

The Vogues - You're The One (1965)
Let's follow one of the best black American vocal harmony groups of the sixties with one of the best white American vocal harmony groups of the sixties.

A bit of English psych..

Orange Bicycle - Hyacinth Threads (1967)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8tP...eature=related

The Standells - Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwE4OPwer1Y

Played on SOTS this morning Mickey Newbury - Sweet Memories

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J03TQlxc8gM

When Gospel is good it's very, very good. Fantastic track!



When English Psych is good it's very, very good. Fantastic track!



A fascinating article, thanks for providing ther link.



Oh yes, I do like Little Anthony And The Imperials. Here are my two favourite tracks by them:-

Little Anthony And The Imperials - Shimmy, Shimmy Ko Ko Bop (1959)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCSSAbLy-ZQ

Little Anthony And The Imperials - Going Out Of My Head (1964)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu9moZvdUTA

An early example of noise/shoegazing? This genre of music, recorded by Swedish group Pärson Sound in 1967-8 but only released in 2001, is classed as psychedelic drone.

Not too heavy to start with, a light drone compared to..

Tri Minuter

this heavier track..

India (A Slight Return)(

and this one is no holds barred guitar pounding.

Milano

^^ Good stuff.

I thought this track by Kaleidoscope sounded way ahead of its time when I first heard it in the 80s.

Kaleidoscope - Music (1969)

^ Nice!

British-beat group, more popular in mainland Europe particularly Finland where this song went to No 1. (more on why in the video description)

Renegades - Cadillac

Time for some British Psychedelia!

Two fantastic, moody sounding numbers by a group called Herbal Mixture. I think they were a spin-off from The Groundhogs.

Please Leave My Mind (1966)

Machines (1966)

For my money, this is the best UK psych single of the lot!

The Factory - Path Through The Forest (1968)

Here's a band that were big in Italy. I love this atmospheric number.

The Rokes - When The Wind Arises (1967)

And a couple more goodies...

The Tickle - Subway (Smokey Pokey World) (1967)

The Misunderstood - I Can Take You To The Sun (1966)

Edit: Two more with pretty tasty axework!

The Australian Playboys - Sad (1966)

Paper Blitz Tissue - Boy Meets Girl (1968)