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Old 31-03-2012, 20:58
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Does anyone else have this 1966 flexidisc advertising Smiths' crisps - anyone recognise the singer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBivqmbttZI
My Mrs had this on a tape when she was a kid in the 70s and remembered it was Vince Hill.

A bit cooler than Edelweiss!
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:07
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brian matthews played this yesterday... a late 60's uk combo , never heard of them before but heres two of their singles...all failed to chart.

the cherry smash 'sing songs of love'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnEk-6ZlZs

fade away maureen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1snkGY-POew
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:23
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brian matthews played this yesterday... a late 60's uk combo , never heard of them before but heres two of their singles...all failed to chart.

the cherry smash 'sing songs of love'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnEk-6ZlZs
I like that one. Good late sixties British pop. Failed to chart you say. Par for the course. So many great singles did back then. The UK charts in 1967 would definitely look a whole lot better if they contained a few more singles like this one and few less by Engelbert Humperdinck, Vince Hill, Des O'Connor and their ilk!
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:54
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Some good American tracks, all from 1962.

Brook Benton - Hotel Happiness (1962)
Fabulous voice. Good track.

Chubby Checker - Limbo Rock (1962)
How low can you go? Not one of Mr. Checker’s best remembered tracks, but imho one of his finest.

Dion - Love Came To Me (1962)
I’m a big fan of Dion, with or without the Belmonts. For me this track is not quite in the same league as classics like Runaround Sue, The Wanderer and Ruby Baby, but I do like it a great deal.

Joey Dee and the Starlighters - Shout (1962)
The Isley Brothers famously recorded the original in the fifties and Lulu even more famously had a big UK hit single with her 1964 cover. Here’s another great version.

Claude King - Wolverton Mountain (1962)
Country song that crossed over and became a Top Ten pop hit in the USA. Good track.
Some more good American tracks from 1962.

Joe Henderson - Snap Your Fingers (1962)
Love this one. What a great voice this guy’s got.

The Duprees - You Belong To Me (1962)
This song was originally a hit in the early fifties for Jo Stafford, and several artists have recorded it, but this doo-wop cover is easily my favourite version.

The Volumes - I Love You (1962)
More doo-wop. Well, why not? I love the genre! And this particular doo-wop ditty is quite splendid.

Dave 'Baby' Cortez - Rinky Dink (1962)
The UK singles charts in 1962 were awash with instrumentals. Unfortunately, this fine instrumental wasn’t one of them.

Sam Cooke - Nothing Can Change This Love (1962)
Barney's most recent post featured an excellent, but obscure track by the one and only Sam Cooke, and as you can never have too much Sam Cooke, here's another excellent, but obscure track by the great man.
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Old 01-04-2012, 13:23
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brian matthews played this yesterday... a late 60's uk combo , never heard of them before but heres two of their singles...all failed to chart.

the cherry smash 'sing songs of love'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnEk-6ZlZs
I have a feeling I submitted that fantastic single a while back.

It was written by Mike Hugg, Manfred Mann's drummer; Mike's cousin was in Cherry Smash which presumably is how they came to record song. A shorter version by the Manfreds themselves is on the 'Up The Junction' soundtrack.

Here are a couple of other great tunes written by Mr Hugg:

The Yardbirds - Mister You're A Better Man Than I (1966)

Simon Dupree & The Big Sound - Day Time Night Time (1967)

plus Manfred Mann's main theme to 'Up The Junction':

Manfred Mann - Up The Junction (1967)
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Old 03-04-2012, 18:36
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"Morning Dew" by Tim Rose is a fantastic track (imo), and I've always thought it was the original version of this song, but earlier today I found out it wasn't. A lady called Bonnie Dobson wrote the song and recorded the original version about four years before Tim Rose recorded it.

Here is Bonnie Dobson's version, which is quite different from and which I don't like as much as the one by Tim Rose, but which is still very good:-

Bonnie Dobson - Morning Dew (1962)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aawu-kPl5p8
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Old 04-04-2012, 08:09
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"Morning Dew" by Tim Rose is a fantastic track (imo), and I've always thought it was the original version of this song, but earlier today I found out it wasn't. A lady called Bonnie Dobson wrote the song and recorded the original version about four years before Tim Rose recorded it.

Here is Bonnie Dobson's version, which is quite different from and which I don't like as much as the one by Tim Rose, but which is still very good:-

Bonnie Dobson - Morning Dew (1962)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aawu-kPl5p8
thought tim rose composed it! thanks for this..
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:41
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thought tim rose composed it! thanks for this..
I also thought that until I found out otherwise yesterday. He didn't write it, but still claimed a songwriter's credit through a loophole in American copyright law.

Here's the wikipedia entry for the song:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Dew
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Old 04-04-2012, 17:42
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I always thought Percy Sledge recorded the original version of Warm & Tender Love , but it was recorded a couple of years before by Joe Haywood.

Joe Haywood - Warm & Tender Love

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAOZgoMg-Gk
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Old 04-04-2012, 17:46
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I also thought that until I found out otherwise yesterday. He didn't write it, but still claimed a songwriter's credit through a loophole in American copyright law.

Here's the wikipedia entry for the song:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Dew
cheers! ... wow isnt tim a naughty boy!
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Old 04-04-2012, 21:00
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A couple of weeks ago I posted Hyacinth Threads, a song by British psychedelic band The Orange Bicycle. Well I've just found they've got an even better one.

The Orange Bicycle - Last Cloud Home (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgpx6smYMOU
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Old 04-04-2012, 22:31
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This Contours track was released in 1965 when I was 4 . I don't think I've ever heard it until Steve Wright played it a few weeks ago

First I look at the purse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFcL6nOjVo0
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:18
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A couple of weeks ago I posted Hyacinth Threads, a song by British psychedelic band The Orange Bicycle. Well I've just found they've got an even better one.

The Orange Bicycle - Last Cloud Home (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgpx6smYMOU
You don't seem to post as often as you used to, Randy, but when you do you certainly come up with the goods. That's an excellent track.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:42
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I also thought that until I found out otherwise yesterday. He didn't write it, but still claimed a songwriter's credit through a loophole in American copyright law.

Here's the wikipedia entry for the song:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Dew
Interesting.

A pity though that the Wikipedia entry doesn't actually specify what the loophole in US Copyright Law actually was, or explain how Tim Rose could legitimately claim songwriting royalties for his version of Morning Dew.

I know little about British Copyright Law, and even less about US Copyright Law, but what I do know is that if Bonnie Dobson wrote both the melody and lyrics to Morning Dew and registered herself as both composer and lyricist then the song is copyright and she's entitled to the full songwriting credit, and there is absolutely no way that Tim Rose could claim any songwriting royalties for his version of the song, even if he made considerable changes to the arrangement of the melody.

I also know that in Copyright Law someone who changes the arrangement of a Traditional or an out-of-copyright song can indeed claim songwriting royalties for that arrangement. Let us suppose, and this is pure speculation, that when Bonnie Dobson composed Morning Dew all she did was to write the lyrics, while for the melody she revived an old Traditional folk tune. Tim Rose realises this, so claims that for his version Bonnie Dobson is only entitled to 50% of the songwriting royalties because all she did was write the lyrics, while he is entitled to the other 50% for his arrangement of a Traditional melody.

Of Course, I don't know the full facts, so as I said, this is pure speculation, but it's the best explanation I can come up with for Tim Rose getting a songwriting credit on his version of the song.
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Old 05-04-2012, 13:02
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The Hollies with their cover of Dylan's I'll Be Your Baby Tonight


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-nlf0M2HVs
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Old 05-04-2012, 17:30
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Some songs that were popular in Germany around the turn of the decade.

This drinking song by actor turned singer Willy Millowitsch was considered blasphemous by the German church for the title refrain which translates to, 'His last word was Schnapps (then he got carried away by angels)'
600,000 copies of the single were sold between 1960-62. (mostly at beer festivals)

Willy Millowitsch - Schnaps das war sein letztes Wort

Caterina Valente was an Italian singer popular across Europe during the 50's and 60's but more especially Germany for whom she recorded many translated versions of her songs.

Caterina Valente - Tschau tschau bambina

This last Hollywood style-duet comes from a German film in which an Elvis-like Peter Kraus pedalos across an Austrian lake.

Conny Froboess & Peter Kraus - Sag' Mir Was Du Denkst
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Old 05-04-2012, 17:36
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You don't seem to post as often as you used to, Randy, but when you do you certainly come up with the goods. That's an excellent track.
Very kind of you! Hope I can keep it up!

Along with the Orange Bicycle track posted above, the following two submissions are featured on the album 'Insane Times: 25 British Psychedelic Artyfacts From The EMI Vaults'.

Simon Dupree & The Big Sound had one big hit with 'Kites' and Tomorrow had a similar level of success with 'My White Bicycle' (what was it, this thing they had about bicycles?). Here's another good one from each.

Simon Dupree & The Big Sound - Castle In The Sky (1968 - but unreleased until 2004)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3T82bYlO-w

Tomorrow - Real Life Permanent Dream (1968)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NufdsH4R8NY
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Old 05-04-2012, 17:52
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Further to all the recent posts about Tim Rose, another song that he controversially claimed a songwriting credit for was his version of Hey Joe.

This is an extract from Tim Rose's Wikipedia entry with regard to that particular song:

In 1966, he was getting a lot of airplay with his single of "Hey Joe". It was copyrighted in 1962 by singer Billy Roberts, but Rose claimed he heard it sung as a child in Florida, and as of 2009, Rose's official website still claims the song is "traditional".[4] As of 2009 no documentary evidence from US archives or elsewhere has been provided to support the claim that the song is "traditional" (though Country singer Carl Smith did have a hit in 1953 with a song of the same title written by Boudleaux Bryant). Prior to Rose's recording, The Leaves, The Surfaris, Love and The Byrds had all recorded fast-paced versions of the song. Rose's version (crediting himself as author), unlike the others, was a slow, angry ballad, which received US radio airplay and became a regional hit in the San Francisco area in 1966. Jimi Hendrix had seen Rose performing at Cafe Wha? in New York City, and released a similarly slow version in 1966 which became a huge hit, first in the UK, then worldwide. It was Linda Keith, Keith Richards' girlfriend at the time that played Rose's recording of "Hey Joe" to Chas Chandler (Hendrix's manager and former bass player for The Animals).
Rose re-recorded "Hey Joe" in the 1990s, re-titling it "Blue Steel .44",[5] again claiming songwriting credit.


Regardless of whether it's the property of Billy Roberts or is, as Tim Rose maintains, Traditional, there is little question imho that Hey Joe is a fabulous song, and below are four very different versions for your listening pleasure. Billy Roberts may have copyrighted the song in 1962, but from what I can gather, he didn't actually record it until 1975, so his version is not included below.

The Leaves - Hey Joe (1965)
I believe this is the first commercially released version of the song. Randy Gibbons featured five other superb tracks by the Leaves in a post he made about a year ago. A fine band.

Tim Rose - Hey Joe (1966)
Given the contents of the earlier part of this post I suppose I have to include the Tim Rose version, but I can't really say that I'm all that keen on it.

The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Hey Joe (1966)
This is easily my favourite version. Rob, my apologies, I know I'm breaking thread rules big time by submitting such a famous track, but I felt it was necessary to include the best known version so that the other three lesser know versions can be compared to it.

Deep Purple - Hey Joe (1968)
Having just listened to three versions of Hey Joe can you now face listening to a fourth version, and what's more, a fourth version that is seven and a half minutes long? If the answer is YES then I take my hat off to you.
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Old 05-04-2012, 23:44
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I don't think there has been much bluesy stuff in this thread - so I'll submit these:

Junior Wells & Buddy Guy - Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (1965)

Albert King - Oh, Pretty Woman (1966)

John Mayall's Bluesbreakers - Someday After A While (You'll Be Sorry) (1967)

Cream - Outside Woman Blues (1967)
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Old 07-04-2012, 13:35
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I also know that in Copyright Law someone who changes the arrangement of a Traditional or an out-of-copyright song can indeed claim songwriting royalties for that arrangement. Let us suppose, and this is pure speculation, that when Bonnie Dobson composed Morning Dew all she did was to write the lyrics, while for the melody she revived an old Traditional folk tune. Tim Rose realises this, so claims that for his version Bonnie Dobson is only entitled to 50% of the songwriting royalties because all she did was write the lyrics, while he is entitled to the other 50% for his arrangement of a Traditional melody.
But it was the lyric he changed!
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:42
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But it was the lyric he changed!
So all he did was change the lyrics? I'll take your word for that.

Well, a little knowledge is obviously a dangerous thing. I have a little knowledge of British copyright law and just assumed (foolishly and erroneously it would seem) that American copyright law was virtually the same. Hence my (what now appears to be) completely inaccurate speculation in my earlier post.

As far as I know (and I'm now beginning to worry that I have this utterly wrong too!) in British copyright law anyone who changes the lyrics to a copyright song cannot claim songwriting royalties for his or her changed version of the song. It looks like this is not the case in American copyright law (or, at least, wasn't in the sixties).

Come to think of it, Brian Wilson took Chuck Berry's Sweet Little Sixteen, wrote a new set of lyrics, re-titled the song Surfin' USA, and was allowed to claim a songwriting credit for it. Why didn't I think of this example before trying to be too clever by half in that previous post?
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Old 08-04-2012, 13:16
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Another French female singer from way back who I really like is Caterina Valente (yes, she’s French, her parents were Italian, but she was born in Paris – isn’t Wikipedia wonderful?). Caterina Valente was a Jazz/Pop singer who had an amazing voice, could sing in a dozen languages and was up there with the best of them when it came to Jazz scat-singing. She was mainly popular in the fifties, but here’s a clip from a sixties TV show of her beautifully singing a very famous old song in Italian:-

Caterina Valente - Over The Rainbow (in Italian)

Luiz Bonfá and Caterina Valente - Manha de Carnaval (1963)
Time for some Bossa Nova. The wonderful Caterina Valente, about whom I was waxing lyrical in a previous post, teams up with the Brazilian composer, Luiz Bonfa, to perform what is perhaps his finest composition.

Caterina Valente was an Italian singer popular across Europe during the 50's and 60's but more especially Germany for whom she recorded many translated versions of her songs.

Caterina Valente - Tschau tschau bambina
It's good to see that there is someone else on this forum who is appreciative of the wonderful Caterina Valente. A very, very talented lady.

These two tracks are taken from an album that she recorded with Edmundo Ros and his Orchestra.

Caterina Valente - Recado (1960)
Good song with a nice Bossa Nova feel to it. Some call this type of music cheesy. I love it.

Caterina Valente - Misirlou (1960)
The first version of Misirlou that I ever heard was the surf instrumental version by Dick Dale when it was featured in the film Pulp Fiction. I absolutely love that track. I recently discovered this vocal version by Caterina Valente and love it almost as much.


From 1972 to 1979 the aforementioned Caterina Valente was married to the acclaimed British jazz pianist and film composer, Roy Budd, so here's a little something from him.

Roy Budd - Mr Rose (1967)
Apparently, Mr. Rose was one of the most popular ITV drama series of the late sixties. Have you heard of it before? No, neither have I. Anyway, this excellent jazz-tinged instrumental was its theme tune.
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Old 08-04-2012, 18:10
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From 1972 to 1979 the aforementioned Caterina Valente was married to the acclaimed British jazz pianist and film composer, Roy Budd, so here's a little something from him.

Roy Budd - Mr Rose (1967)
Apparently, Mr. Rose was one of the most popular ITV drama series of the late sixties. Have you heard of it before? No, neither have I. Anyway, this excellent jazz-tinged instrumental was its theme tune.
Brilliant!

Speaking of jazzy I love her Swingle-like intepretation of Paganini's Perpetuum Mobile.

Caterina Valente - Moto Perpetuo

Some more Italian music

Nini Rosso - Il Clown

Marino Marini ed il suo Quartetto - Luna Napoletana

Aurelio Fierro - Li per li
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Old 09-04-2012, 18:20
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Notice rob has been banned again..
Interestingly in the 1940's the BBC banned list included any popular song that was based on any classical piece or melody. The list was put together by Sir Adrian Boult. so that's probably why.
The ban must've still been in effect in 1963 when The Cougars hit Saturday Night At The Duckpond based on Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake was banned. They recorded two follow-up singles also based on the great composer's works, one of which is this rocking number.

The Cougars - Red Square
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Old 09-04-2012, 20:28
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The ban must've still been in effect in 1963 when The Cougars hit Saturday Night At The Duckpond based on Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake was banned.
If that's the case then it shows that the BBC were very inconsistent because the previous year they didn't ban the massive hit "Nut Rocker" by B. Bumble and the Stingers, which was based on Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker Suite".
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