I am not sure I like being referred to as a "bitch" friend.

That is why Germany did it. Europe were familiar with it. It is currently number 1 in several European countries. That is why Germany won.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5897/107933829.jpg

Want to see Germany's response to our debacle?

Still love SAW and still love Neighbours without the filmic effect. The europeans clearly don't know a good record when they hear it. Ireland should have done much better to.

I think the europeans believe we are all euro-sceptic here in the UK. That is why they won't support us...and we don't have enough Neighbours.

I love you Josh...let's all buy it and get it to Number 1.

We don't want Cowell hyjacking Eurovision to. He is terrible...and knows nothing about music whatsoever.

No he doesn't. People would definitely support Eurovision if he gets his grubby mits on it.

It's politics dude. We are still being punished for the Iraq war and the UK's negative attitude towards Europe. I think it's time we pulled out now.

Like I have said on another thread it is something Pete Waterman dragged out of Jason Donovan's back catalogue. Josh the lad who sang it was a decent singer, and I hope he gets some decent stuff to work with in the future.

There was nothing wrong with Jason Donovan...Too Many Broken Hearts...

What a load of bull. It failed because the song was poor.

How are we being punished by Europe, considering we came 5th in Eurovision last year?

Just a case of you trying to defend SAW, considering we've been made a laughing stock. And as for your comments about Cowell, well he's a saint compared to Waterman- have you read what PW said about the Europeans and what he said to Neil 'Dr' Fox when he dared to criticise the UK's entry- an opinion Neil Fox is entitled to?

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...uro-entry.html

I disagree. Our song was poor and was easily in the bottom three of what was on offer. Ireland deserved better, but not us.

Germany have done poorly in recent years but won with a catchy song this time around. I think the fact that it's already a Euro-hit helped as there were a few more deserving winners.

Cowell is not a saint. He knows nothing about music whatsoever. He can't tell the difference between a crotchet and a quaver...he just has money.

At least Cowell isn't being catty to the Europeans, unlike Waterman.

Josh's song failed not just because it was poor, but because of Waterman's comments about the Europeans not supporting the song. You can't slag off the Europeans, because they will be the ones voting for your song at Eurovision (and the European people are the ones responsible for putting PW where he is today- the likes of Kylie, Jason etc did just as well there as the UK), and it partly played a part in the poor position for the UK- Malta didn't give us any points, whereas they normally give points to us.

Just accept it Miles, people have different opinions- you can love the UK's entry just as much as we don't have to like it. And you can give excuses such as Iraq/political voting/Europe hating us/Gordon Brown/ George W Bush/the cast of The Bold and The Beautiful/The Dalai Lama for Josh Dubovie performing poorly, when in reality the UK entry was poor and deserved what it got.

We didn't deserve to come last. Ireland didn't deserve to come third last...there is more at play here. Politics sadly plays a massive part in it, like it or not, especially since 'Europe' has expanded.

The song failed because it was awful. If politics come into it, then we would not have finished 5th last year. It finished in that position because the Europeans liked Jade's song. This year, they didn't, hence the poor position, not helped by Waterman crapping on them.

Can't we get Jack Wagner to represent us in Eurovision next year? He is in the Bold and The Beautiful, a soap which is huge across Europe (not just in the US), and back in 1984,had a No.2 hit in the US with 'All I Need', so he could be one to use. Or get Katherine Kelly Lang and Hunter Tylo to do a duet for us.

Personally I think it was Jade's huge voice that did it, and to a lesser extent Lloyd Webbers song, she's too good for the Sugababes.

I would agree with you there.

Miles just won't accept that the UK performed poorly because of how bad the track was. People have different opinions to him, and as I mentioned before, he has every right to love the UK's entry as much as we don't have to like it. He can give excuses as much as he likes for the UK's failure, when most of us know the real reason why it bombed.

No no, it was "you bring the sunshine and I'll bring the good times"

Thank God Ireland didn't come last
But really those backing singers were awful.They were out of tune and completely drowning out Josh's voice.

There seems to be a rumour circulating now, not sure how true it is but apparantly Katie Melua offered to perform at Eurovision possibly with The Flood but the BBC rejected her.

the votes are in, the verdict cast...even the uk fans KNOW how BAD that song was. you are wrong, your judgement yet again is proven wrong, your notion of the history of dance music was wrong and your view of s/a/w is wrong (but not to you on a personal level)

we lost and deservedly came last because our song was rubbish, just like 99% of watermans output, it appealed to only a small demograph in society. waterman couldnt write owt else, thats all he can do, stuck in 1989 and the huge voting population of europe told him what we think of him. utter crap.

it has nothing to do with iraq, or politics, dont forget, there are more countries who supported us going into iraq then dont, many joined us... neighbouring countries often vote for eachother because there tastes are very similar, so they are more likely to vote for a sound they are amenable too.

just accept it miles, you might like watertwits style of music, stuck in one sound, but the vast majority do not share your opinion.

exactly!

imho its the worst song we have ever entered, and ive been watching ever since sandie shaw won in '67.

She could have got more points from Georgia alone than Josh did from the whole of Europe.

I'm sick to death of sore losers screaming "it's all politics"

It's not. We failed this year because we had an average song, no choreography and we did NO publicity. Germany's song was already number 1 all over Europe and the thousands of people in the stadium were singing along! We just swan in having done next to no PR and expect to do well. Why di we do well last year? Because credit to Lloyd Webber and Jade, they went all over Europe performing everywhere, meeting heads of states etc.

Also on the issue of "regional voting" think about it. Georgia for example, politically HATES Russia, yet they always exchange votes. All the Balkan countries HATE Serbia, yet they always exchange votes? It's nothing to do with politics, it's about regional music industries - Yugoslavia used to be one country with ONE music industry, thus a song that is liked in Bosnia is undoubtedly going to be released and heard and probably like by people in Croatia, Macedonia and Serbia. Why do we always swap votes with Ireland, Malta and Scandinavia? Could it be because a lot of our music is their music and their's our's? A song that is released in Greece is 90% of the time also released in Cyprus, so again, no surprise there that they always vote for each other and always like each other's music.

I have been reading all the comments with interest. Firstly Josh, you did brilliantly last night. Well done.

It is worth remembering that our campaign this year got off to a dodgy start. The BBC's selection show was simply terrible. Most of the acts were inexperienced and couldn't hold a note for toffee. I think our effort this year was badly damaged by that. We were fighting against the tide from the off. Any European country looking at our selection show would have laughed in our faces. We need to take the contest seriously. That goes for Norton's commentary to. If we don't take it seriously, we can't expect to be taken seriously.

Many have criticised the song, and you are entitled to your opinions. Being objective about it, had I written it, I wouldn't have included the "You bring the sunshine, I'll bring the good times" lyrics, but that aside, there was absolutely nothing wrong with our song at all. It was well crafted, had good instrumentation, had nice harmonies and effective counter-melodies. I am not saying we should have won, but there is no way we should have finished last. We, along with Ireland, should have come top 10 at least. Denmark, along with Romania, Albania, Germany, France, Iceland, Greece and Moldova all had strong songs, but we were certainly up there with them.

To the critics, it is worth remembering that the contest has changed over the last fifteen years beyond recognition. From 1956 until the mid-1990s, the contest featured countries from western Europe and Scandinavia. From the mid-1990s until 2005, 26 countries joined the contest, the vast majority from the former eastern block countries. This shift has obviously changed the dynamics of the contest beyond recognition and reduced drastically the chance of us ever winning again. With the addition of all the new countries, we are now sadly, geographically and politically on the fringe of the competition. Some, like the Tories and the likes of Nigel Farage are happy being on the fringes, or would prefer us to be out of Europe all together. That said, the anti-Europe attitude which oozes from the UK cannot be ignored when it comes to the contest. Would you vote for a country which you knew wasn't that into you? I certainly wouldn't. We can't expect Europe to vote for us when we are so anti them. It stands to reason and can't be ignored. All this, coupled with our recent activities abroad which have been frowned on by the masses adds up to a very negative attitude towards us as a nation which has, really since 1997, been reflected through the votes cast in the contest. For us to ever have a chance of winning again, we need to have a positive attitude towards our European neighbours and run a charm offensive, otherwise we will continue to fail while continuing to partly fund the contest. We also need to learn from Germany. Our song needs to be released and promoted weeks before the contest so Europe becomes familiar with it. It is very hard for any song to make an impact on one hearing! Furthermore, maybe it is time to split the contest into two, a Western Eurovision Song Contest and an Eastern Eurovision Song Contest. The top 5 from each contest could then battle it out for the Song For Europe title.

While I am very disappointed with our performance last night, Mike Stock's and Pete Waterman's chart success over the years will never be taken away from them. It is worth remembering that since 1984, they have penned 122 top 40 hits, spent 895 weeks on the charts, had 54 top 10 hits along with 7 number 1s...a success rate which many will never reach and can only dream about.

Stock Aitken & Waterman's music is great. I believe they should continue to work with Josh, and together, they will turn a slight set back into a very strong and successful chart act.