So how come all the females, human or alien, are so unreasonable all the time, and the men are so reasonable ?
Mysogyny ?
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Amy is reasonable, Annette Crosbie's character was reasonable, Liz 10 was more than reasonable, as was the random child, that bereaved lady from Victory of the Daleks seemed reasonable, River Song was exceedingly reasonable.
sorry didn't see that much mysogyny in tonights episode... certainly less than i see in other programs but OMG Rory got killed...the misandrists!!!!!!
Originally Posted by moDis n MaviS:
“OMG Rory got killed”
“OMG Rory got killed”
Based on his recent adventures, I think the correct phrase is "Oh my God! They killed Rory!"
Originally Posted by TEDR:
“Based on his recent adventures, I think the correct phrase is "Oh my God! They killed Rory!"”
“Based on his recent adventures, I think the correct phrase is "Oh my God! They killed Rory!"”
Nearly - it should be:
"Oh my God! They killed Rory! - You B*stards!"
Originally Posted by petertard:
“So how come all the females, human or alien, are so unreasonable all the time, and the men are so reasonable ?”
“So how come all the females, human or alien, are so unreasonable all the time, and the men are so reasonable ?”
Because Steven Moffat is the showrunner.
Originally Posted by TEDR:
“Amy is reasonable, Annette Crosbie's character was reasonable, Liz 10 was more than reasonable, as was the random child, that bereaved lady from Victory of the Daleks seemed reasonable, River Song was exceedingly reasonable.”
“Amy is reasonable, Annette Crosbie's character was reasonable, Liz 10 was more than reasonable, as was the random child, that bereaved lady from Victory of the Daleks seemed reasonable, River Song was exceedingly reasonable.”
The Fish From Space Woman was pretty reasonable
I need evidence of this unreasonableness. Which females are ureasonable? When are they unreasonable? In what way are they unreasonable?
The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
so what about the several perfectly reasonable women in this episode? They are just ignored by you because they disprove your theory I guess?? Pathetic.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
I'd agree with the first part, loveably barking mad though
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Originally Posted by petertard:
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
So if the "baddy" was black that would be racist? What if he/she was white? Or do they have to have both a black and white baddy?
Taking a single instance and applying it to all is the worst kind of stereotyping and leads directly to racism, sexism ageism etc etc.
If tonight's was a continuing theme on Doctor Who you may have a point but it's not.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
So because the Silurians happened to have a female warrior class that equals misogyny?
Amy and Nasreen came very close to brokering a peace deal with both them and the Silurian leader behaving reasonably.
Originally Posted by Mimizuku no Lew:
“So because the Silurians happened to have a female warrior class that equals misogyny?”
“So because the Silurians happened to have a female warrior class that equals misogyny?”
Well if they had been locked up in the kitchen nothing bad would have happened
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The male Silurian leader, the voice of reason.”
“The male Silurian leader, the voice of reason.”
Amy and Nasreen, the female voices of reason. You can ignore it all you like, it only makes you look ridiculous..
Originally Posted by petertard:
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
“The Silurian sisters were mad aggressive war-mongers, and the mother was a murderer; but the male Silurian leader was all reasonableness and accommodating and negotiating...subtle hint = women are barking mad: men are splendid chaps.”
I think you were supposed to be getting the vibe that mad aggressive war-mongers are barking mad. Don't be a mad aggressive war-monger people! You can carry on being women. That's fine.
If the warriors had been men, and the negotiator a woman, the writer could have been accused of stereotyping.
As it was, he just reversed the roles, and the poor bloke gets accused of misogyny.
As it was, he just reversed the roles, and the poor bloke gets accused of misogyny.
I think the message of this episode is that both sides (Humans and Silurians, not males and females!) had voices of reason, who wanted to work towards a compromise and who might have succeeded if it wasn't for the acts of violence on both sides. We saw the best of Humanity and Silurianity and also the worst. Ambrose was a loving mother and daughter and so wasn't all bad. And the Silurian warrior was a loving sister and so wasn't all bad. Both wanted the best for their people, but went about it the wrong way. The only species who had a record of 100% reasonableness was Timelord, so the episode was actually saying that anyone who isn;t a timelord may be unreasonable.....
I think we should have an episode where the Doctor take on internet trolls and throws them into the crack, erasing them from history. It would be great, as it would save me from having typed out this post, being that the thread wouldn't exist.
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