Originally Posted by rwebster:
“"Dodgy portrayals" is giving the original argument too much credit. Portraying women as real people with flaws and feelings just like anyone else is what this episode did.
I've said it before, and I'm saying it again. If you're watching a woman portrayed in a way which isn't clear-cut perfect, and thinking "that's a bit sexist," that's horrifically patronising. That's a disgusting way to treat women. Being offended on their behalf because a character in a sci-fi programme did what she felt was right on behalf of her family? Yeah, very sexist.
Not to mention, Ambrose was an individual character. Not a stereotype. If you're generalising every woman you see on television to "the writer's perception of every woman ever," you are monumentally deluded. It's like you don't understand storytelling!
This episode had three flawed women. It also had one incredibly strong female character, one male character who was irresponsible and let a kid get abducted (more irresponsible than Ambrose would have ever been, at that), and one male character whose curiosity bordered on psychopathicness.
All I've managed to glean from this thread is that the OP has a kneejerk reaction to anything that's not clear-cut, a confused reaction to drama, and a patronising attitude to women.”
Exactly my view. If we're to label those episodes as being sexist because of their portrayal of women, then we might as well apply the same rule to all works of fiction with flawed female characters. That includes works of fiction written by women, about women, for women.
I have always felt to portray all women, black people, gay people etc as perfect upstanding individuals incredibly patronizing. It would be ludicrous to argue that The End of Time was racist because Naismith and his daughter were portrayed as evil, self seeking villains. At they end of the day they were just individuals (who happened to be black) with an agenda.
People are individuals after all, not collectives that all behave the same way. It is the flawed nature of the female characters in The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood that makes them engaging. I was much more interested in the female Silurians over the male ones.
I could easily say Doctor Who is sexist towards men because The Doctor is fundamentally a flawed character. He makes mistakes, he is arrogant at times. But the best heroes are the imperfect ones.