Sorry, but if you really think Doctor Who could continue without the Doctor, or with someone else claiming the name, you really don't get it. The Doctor is the show, an iconic character. However many faces he wears, there's only one Doctor just as there's only one Superman or Sherlock Holmes. It isn't just a title.

I'm a person who is very strong on equality in every sense, but if there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's that gender bias seems to be a much more entrenched kind of bias than racism or homophobia or anything else. It will take much more to overcome it.

I don't watch GA...but I watch Scrubs....and I haven't been hearing a lot of positives of the change there....

I don't want to sound rude or anything, so please don't take this the wrong way, but Doctor Who genuinly can't compare to shows like GA...or anyother other show in the world. Its success has been in change yes, but that the main concept has always remained, an alien who travels in time and Space in a blue box, and he looks like man.....and his best friends tend to be females....the fact the actor can change is part of the show anyway, but the character is the same, and will always remin so....like I said they may go for a female, but its not a must and niether needed for a show that gives women an equal stage....

There is a spin-off media if your interested where they have audio dramas based on a what if scenario of the Doctor being a female....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile_(audio_drama) Chack it out

The Doctor as we currently know the entity, has 1 or 2 more incarnations left. If you have some ingenious plot device as to how to get around this, let's hear it.
For the show to continue for decades to come, with the same title, it would have to be a different Doctor, and I've explained, using the example of Grey's, since someone else brought it up again - how this could be possible. ( I hope it DOES continue, because I'm confident I'll be proven right about the female
Doctor ).

not that i would want Dr who to continue if the dr wasnt in it, but to jump on the Greys Anatomy bandwagon thing, one show thats been successful since its title character died (in 1994!) is Taggart.

the difference with shows like Taggart & GA is that they have multiple characters who can be part of a main story if the titled character isnt there (for whatever reason ie death of the main actor, actress going on maternity leave etc) but i'm sorry you cant have Dr Who without the Doctor, who only has one or two companions with him at one time (ok not including RTD's series finales )

It isn't displaying a bias to want the character to remain who he's always been. Would you expect James Bond to become female? No, because he's male. oR how about a male Miss Marple? I can't see it, myself.


It has already been strongly indicated (in The Five Doctors and in Utopia) that the regeneration limit was artificially imposed by the Time Lords; in the first instance, they offered the Master a new life cycle, in the second they'd apparently given him one. The Time Lords are gone, the limit need no longer apply.
It has already lasted almost fifty years without needing any such change, it can continue just as long again. The Doctor is the show. with a different character, it wouldn't be Doctor Who.

to be fair, James Bond & Miss Marple arent Gallifreyan Timelords are they? so why would they change gender??

Why would a Time Lord?

I'm very strong on equality in every sense as well, but people stating on this thread that the doctor remains male does not equate to inequality. The doctor is a fictional character, who has so far been introduced as a male specimen of his species. We also know that the same species has female specimen (there has been no indication that male timelords can turn into females and female timeladies can turn into timelords). Now I don't think anyone in this thread has stated that female timeladies are less capable than the doctor, or that it would be a bad thing to have a female timelady (indeed Romana was an excellent example of someone who was intelligent and resourceful). At the moment, it seems to me as if you are just accussing people of gender inequality and mysogyny when they don't share your vision for Dr Who.


Pretty much agree with your first paragraph and with the second. The doctor is the show, introducing a different character would somehow not make sense IMO obviously.

Well - it's just a suggestion for one way to continue the show after the Doctor's lives are up.
I think it's naive, wishful thinking from the ultra-conservatives and misogynists on here, to think that it will continue on indefinitely with a male Doctor. Ridiculous. If it stays, I will eventually get my female Doctor
But, - in general , enough about it now - I think it's a great idea, and I'm not alone in that opinion however it might seem on this thread.
I don't have all night every night to argue and defend my ideas.
The misogynists can take the last word if they like ( you know who you are ) , but
"The moral high ground
is MINE !"

By making that statement you therefore actually judging me too, as i too am not keen on a female Doctor...

Yeah sure we can all have something to say about it....and we all have our thresholds on what offends us and what doesn't....but we females are eqaully bad when it comes to making jokes about the males.....in todays' day and age...when it comes to making digs...we are equall


I think you don't fully undersatnd what Gender indifference means...it means not caring about the gender...and surely by wanting a female Doctor is as bad or equal as not wanting a female Doctor...because you are askig the Doctor to be a specific gender....when I say I want the Doctor to remain Male, its because him being male is not an issue to me at all....it doesn't make a statement of sexism/misogyny...nothing more to it...he is just male, just like my dad is, and only because I want equall rights for women doesn't mean I want my dad to have a sex change....wanting him to be female would be me caring and wanting a gender difference not indifference....whenever the Doctor becames female, it will be as you say revolutionary...not something people will not bat an eyelid too, not something people will be indifferent to...because it would be too busy making a statement....would you have a sex change to prove that you are gender indifference? No, ofcourse not, you can do that in many other ways, like not caring about the sex of your child, not delving into stereotypical behaviours....yiu don't need a radical sex change for that...



ofcourse subconsciously loads of people have their own predjudices....and I agtree, maybe there are some who are gender bias...I don't know, but it doesn't stand for someone like me who is aware that to be eqaul we don't need to actually get rid of men. The point of being Equall is standing side by side, being proud of who we are, what we are and respecting each other...and not trying to get above another to prove who is better....the fact that you are saying the role of the Doctor would prove gender indifferrence, you are making the male role into something more bigger than it is. He just happens to be male...nothing wrong with that at all.



But you see a simple explanation can be brought by anyone on why he has more than 13 lives....for example on the top of my non-fiction writer head, I can think of one good reason...the Time War, the Time Lords gave him, like the Master a thousand more regenerations. You see simple yet effective reason to why the character can remain forever and not be trapped on a limit that wasn't even there when the show first started....

Here you go Tingram- behold the splendour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--RHy6UUdxk

Yep, this is definitely what Doctor Who needs to be more like. Cooler, more emotional and so much hotter baby!

:yawn:

Oh my God-don't ever do that to me again, Captain!

I'm not sure how it is niave and wishful thinking to think that the Doctor will remain male. considering that he has made it over 46 years in the role as a male....there is nothing really odd to think that he could stay male for another 46 years to come. Like i said there maybe a day that he is female....but its not a must...hasn't been in the past, is not in the present, and doesn't need to be in the future either...if it happens it happens....but there is no great call out for it....from males and females....most of us have no issue with him being male...

I'm sorry to say this but if you really think the 2 regenerations left (something that was mentioned in one line in a story years ago) is going to leave the programme makers with no choice but to continue the programme with a different lead character, then it seems to me you are not getting the programme.

If you think it is conceivable for the Doctor to change gender, then why can't you see that one simple line can explain why the 12 regenerations/13 incarnations rule no longer applies? It has been discussed dozens of times in this forum.

As people have pointed out The Master has died, but come back to life. In classic Who he extended his life beyond body 13.

The most popular idea for how the Doctor can continue past his 13th is that it was a rule imposed by the Time Lords. Now the Time Lords are gone, their rules have gone too. Thus the 13 limit no longer stands, A good writer can explain it in one line. Its sci-fi, so anything is possible.

Steven Moffat (who I would argue is an authority on how Doctor Who should be made) has said The Doctor is always the same man, there have not been 11 Doctors, there's been one Doctor with 11 different faces. The Doctor's past experiences are so integral to everything he does, he is the central core of the show. Its not enough to have a different character with the same name. And given it is sci-fi there is no need.

You seem to be using the 13 lives limit to support your opinion that not only could the Doctor become a woman, but also a different person. But it really doesn't support your view (which I do respect by the way) because the limit really can be resolved easily given the genre.

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Well, this all seems fairly sensible to me. So yes, this.

You may or may not have a crazzy az, I wouldn't know, but head seems ok.