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Great to hear info about BBC Cumbria. Thanks, John H. When I lived in Scotland, I used to pick up BBC Radio Carlisle/Cumbria on AM. I am stretching my memory somewhat but was the Carlisle commentator David Lamb in the 1970s? I know Nick Barnes was there before going to BBC Radio Newcastle to cover Sunderland
Believe it or not - but it's true - for a long time, they never did live commentaries on Carlisle United (mostly due to costs) and for almost 2 decades provided match reports from first Alan Douglas (later BBC Scotland), then the late David Lamb (who also hosted the station's breakfast show throughout the 1980s) and finally Len Brewer. It wasn't until Nick Barnes took over as Sports Producer in 1992, that regular commentaries began. His partnership with Derek Lacey was the stuff of legend - especially during the 1997 Auto Windscreens Shield Final (which Carlisle won in a thrilling penalty shoot). When Nick left in 1998 to join BBC Newcastle, Derek Lacey became the main commentator with new Sports Producer Graham Moss as summariser (subsequent years saw various ex-Carlisle players as summarisers). To say that "Degsy" was a legend is the understatement of the millennium - indeed the phrase "Lacey is a Legend" can be seen on the Waterworks End at Brunton Park His commentary of Jimmy Glass' goal that saved Carlisle from oblivion in 1999 sums the man up:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwhSM...eature=related I and many others have suggested to BBC Radio Cumbria that they produce a CD of his classic moments of commentary - so far, response has come there none. As I said in my previous post, James Phillips has done a brilliant job as commentator, though he's the first to say that there'll never be another Derek Lacey. |
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
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BBC Radio Leeds
Rotherham United verses Huddersfield Town commentators: Adam Pope and Paul Ogden summariser: Kieran O'Regan Leeds United verses Hull City reporter: Dave Callahan I wonder how much of the changes are actually about finding a better use for Adam Pope than a few reports from the Leeds match? Not sure I see the point or how this is providing better value to be honest, but nice to hear Dave Callaghan reporting on the Leeds match - I'm pretty sure he used to do the commentaries in the late 80s/early 90s. |
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Since the change to having one featured match the policy now seems to be to send two commentators, with the programme presenter (Paul Ogden in this case) doing half of the match, 5 Live style.
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I wonder how much of the changes are actually about finding a better use for Adam Pope than a few reports from the Leeds match?
I don't think that is a reason for the changes, but it may explain why they have two commentators at each featured match instead of one. If Radio Leeds didn't have Adam Pope, I think Radio Leeds would only have one commentator at each featured match.Quote:
Not sure I see the point or how this is providing better value to be honest,
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nice to hear Dave Callaghan reporting on the Leeds match - I'm pretty sure he used to do the commentaries in the late 80s/early 90s.
He may still own one of the Harrogate clubs. I only know he owned one because they played each other in the FA Cup once and he wason Radio York news when an opposition player died in a match. I didn't know he did football commentary, but when he came back to do cricket, I remember the previous commentator saying he was returning. I don't remember Dave Callahan's previous time at Radio Leeds.
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indeed the phrase "Lacey is a Legend" can be seen on the Waterworks End at Brunton Park
Wasn't it him who did a commentary and hadn't noticed a goal had been disallowed and thus gave the incorrect score for the rest of the commentary, right to full time, and then had to come back on air and correct himself after the final whistle? |
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Wasn't it him who did a commentary and hadn't noticed a goal had been disallowed and thus gave the incorrect score for the rest of the commentary, right to full time, and then had to come back on air and correct himself after the final whistle?
During the half time break he was told about the offside and had to sheepishly announce the error before the start of the second half. Ironically, Carlisle won that game ![]() He made mistakes, but he was loved for them .God rest his soul - Always. |
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
I listened to talkSPORT's Around the Grounds show this evening and it was excellent, hopefully 5 Live's will be of a similar vein. But I agree with you 100 per cent about the lack of logic pertaining to the terms of the relevant contracts as set out by the Premier League here. Here you have a single matchround where only two of the ten games played will be broadcast live on national radio. Compare this to a usual weekend matchround where six or seven of the ten games are broadcast across three national radio stations and it pales in comparison. With Tuesday games coming under the Monday night package and Wednesday games being included in the Saturday 5.30pm package, two contracts that probably won't stretch to 32 games over the course of a season, for me the sensible thing to do would be to give the rights holders of each contract a second pick commentary on alternate midweek evenings. There can't be more than six midweek/public holiday matchrounds, and I'm pretty sure there's fewer than 32 5.30pm Saturday games or 32 Monday night games played over the course of the season, so it's not as if they are likely to go over that number come the end of the season. What I would have done if I was in the Premier League's shoes would be to allow talkSPORT to have a second pick commentary on Tuesday nights to 5 Live's first pick, with 5 Live having a second pick on Wednesday's to talkSPORT's first pick. That way more games get covered, both stations get better value for money from a solution that is fair to each of them and the listeners get a choice of fixtures on both matchnights. |
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
talkSPORT specifically stated that they wanted their live matches to go out when there is no alternative national commentary available on 5 Live so that they could sell it to advertisers on this basis. I think they were happy to give up a second-pick last night in order to have tonight to themselves (local radio commentaries aside). This is also the reason that BBC local radio football commentaries will never be available across the UK on the internet - it would breach talkSPORT's national exclusivity. |
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This is also the reason that BBC local radio football commentaries will never be available across the UK on the internet.
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It was this arrangement that talkSPORT were desperate to move away from because it was costing them revenue. The theory is that if there is an alternative match on 5 Live then most people will choose it because of the lack of commercial breaks and sponsors' credits, regardless of whether it happens to be the top match of the night.
talkSPORT specifically stated that they wanted their live matches to go out when there is no alternative national commentary available on 5 Live so that they could sell it to advertisers on this basis. I think they were happy to give up a second-pick last night in order to have tonight to themselves (local radio commentaries aside). I believe the reason why talkSPORT moved away from the second pick Saturday 3pm games wasn't because they were costing them revenue per se, but purely because they wanted to channel their money into something that is clearly more valuable to them, as exclusive rights to standalone matches are. However, I don't think having to yield a second pick on Wednesdays if it enabled them to do a commentary on Tuesdays would do them more harm than good given the rarity of the situation over the course of the season. I also think it's highly doubtful that, when given a choice of different games, the listener who may have considered tuning into talkSPORT will always move towards 5 Live regardless of the matches on offer. Certainly tonight, people want to listen to the Manchester derby, so even if 5 Live were able to do commentary on the Arsenal or Liverpool game I'm sure it wouldn't make too much of an impact on talkSPORT's potential audience (i.e. not including 5 Live devotees who wouldn't be listening anyway, but the more open minded listeners who are willing to consider what's on offer before choosing where to tune to) as at the end of the day they still have national exclusivity over the standout game that people want to listen to. Sure, having exclusivity to games played at a time when 5 Live cannot do top flight football is very valuable to talkSPORT, much more valuable than the contract they held between 07/08 and 09/10. But I really don't see there being much harm to them in extending the relevant deals to include second picks on midweek matchnights, so long as this is done in a fair and even-handed way, given that these evenings are a relative rarity over the course of a season. In advertising terms, while it may have cost them some revenue on a one-off basis had 5 Live been able to do a competing game against their Manchester derby coverage tonight, I'm sure a commentary on Stoke v Birmingham last night would have generated extra revenue to counterbalance this somewhat. Of course every fixture list is different - maybe next time there won't be a standout Wednesday game, but there might be two appealing matches set for Tuesday that would both command a lot of interest. I do think the contractual amendment I am proposing would be in talkSPORT's interest long-term. |
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In a way it's good to hear that 5 Live will be doing an Around the Grounds show tomorrow night. I've never heard them do one before (although I think they have done a few some years ago) so it will be interesting to hear what this kind of show would sound like on 5 Live.
They did it again a couple of times in the League Cup, the last time I can remember was when Villa beat Wycombe 8-3 which, as a quick look on Soccerbase confirms, was in 2005. |
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On the BBC's build-up page for the Manchester derby, they've got this under the section on coverage (my bold): Quote:
listen on talkSPORT, BBC Radio 5 live and local radio
Hmmm....
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BBC Radio 5 Live
Premier League Aston Villa v Blackpool - Pat Murphy Chelsea v Fulham - Alistair Bruce-Ball and Mark Bright Everton v Bolton - Ian Brown Manchester City v Manchester United - John Murray and Robbie Savage Newcastle v Blackburn - Ian Dennis West Ham v West Brom - Nigel Adderley Wigan v Liverpool - Connor McNamara Wolves v Arsenal - Darren Fletcher and Kevin Phillips Championship Leicester v Sheffield United - Jacqui Oatley Swansea v Bristol City - Alastair Durden Reading v Cardiff - Simon Mann Scottish Premier League Hearts v Celtic - Andy Gillies Rangers v Hibernian - Roddy Forsyth |
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Wednesday 10th November - talkSPORT
Mark Saggers presenting Kick-Off Exclusive from the City of Manchester Stadium alongside Stan Collymore Premier League Aston Villa v Blackpool - Ian Danter Chelsea v Fulham - Andy Clarke Everton v Bolton Wanderers - John Temple Manchester City v Manchester United - Sam Matterface and Stan Collymore (commentary), with Dom McGuinness at pitchside Newcastle United v Blackburn Rovers - Graham Courtney West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Ian Abrahams Wigan Athletic v Liverpool - Dave Rowe Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Tony Incenzo Championship Leicester City v Sheffield United - Geoff Peters Reading v Cardiff City - John Anderson Swansea City v Bristol City - Roger Hughes BBC WM Mark Regan presenting The Football Phone-In from The Mailbox, followed by Rob Gurney with WM Sport from Upton Park Premier League Aston Villa v Blackpool - Mike Taylor (DAB in Birmingham commentary) West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Richard Wilford and Rob Gurney (95.6FM commentary) Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Phil Cartwright and Daz Hale (DAB in Wolverhampton commentary) BRMB, Beacon Radio (Black Country and Shropshire) and Gold (Birmingham and Black Country) Tom Ross presenting The Goalzone from Upton Park Premier League Aston Villa v Blackpool - Mikey Burrows and Pat Heard (BRMB commentary) West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Tom Ross and Tony Brown (Beacon Black Country and Gold Birmingham commentary) Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Bill Hatton and Robbie Dennison (Beacon Shropshire and Gold Black Country commentary) |
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Tony Incenzo in the West Midlands? He must have a nosebleed going so far north!
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BBC London 94.9
Host Nick Godwin Chelsea v Fulham Phil Parry West Ham v WBA NG and Martin Allen (commentary) Wolves v Arsenal Kevin Hand |
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BBC Radio Wales
Reading V Cardiff City - Rob Phillips and Iwan Roberts (SE FM / North FM *I think* / Digital TV/Radio / BBC Red Button via Midweek Final Score) Jackland V Bristol City - Steffan Garerro hosting with commentary from John Hardy and Ian Walsh (SW FM / AM) BBC Bristol / Somerset Jackland V Bristol City - Geroff Twentymann (studio host) Richard Hoskin and Adam Baker (94.9FM / 95.5FM / 104.6FM / DAB) ABs mobile phone application sent him towards the Vetch Field rather than the Liberty stadium (and yes Richard, it still exists - just about) ![]() Real Radio South Wales Reading V Cardiff City - Steve Flemming Jackland V Bristol City - Mark Poyser Swansea Sound Jackland V Bristol City - Antony O'Connell |
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BBC Radio Scotland 10/11/10
Richard Gordon presenting Sportsound. SPL commentaries All online: Dundee Utd v St Mirren - Scott Davie and Sandy Clark Hearts v Celtic - Rob MacLean and Murdo MacLeod, with Chris McLaughlin pitchside Kilmarnock v Hamilton - John Barnes and Scott Booth Motherwell v St Johnstone - Al Lamont and Des McKeown Rangers v Hibernian - Liam McLeod and Craig Paterson Open all mics reporters on 810MW Dundee Utd v St Mirren - Jim Spence Hearts v Celtic - John Robertson Kilmarnock v Hamilton Accies - Billy Dodds Motherwell v St Johnstone - Allan Preston Rangers v Hibernian - Chick Young |
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Wednesday 10th November 2010
BBC Lancashire - Host: Gary Hickson Aston Villa v Blackpool: Ian Chisnall & Steve Canavan (Commentary) Newcastle v Blackburn: Andy Bayes (Updates) BBC Manchester - Host: Ian Cheeseman Man City v Man Utd: Ian Cheeseman (1-22), Bill Rice (23-45), Nigel Gleghorn & David May (Commentary) Everton v Bolton: Jack Dearden & Alan Gowling (Updates) Wigan v Liverpool: Phil Kinsella (Updates) Wish FM 102.4 - Host: Chris Milow Wigan v Liverpool: Graham Lovett & Neill Rimmer BBC Merseyside - Host: Gary Flintoff Wigan v Liverpool: Mike Hughes & John Coleman (FM Commentary) Everton v Bolton: Derek Jones & Ronnie Goodlass (AM/DAB Commentary) Radio City 96.7 Wigan v Liverpool: Steve Hothersall & John Aldridge City Talk 105.9 Everton v Bolton: Alan Irwin & Graeme Sharp Magic 1152AM Man City v Man Utd: Hugh Ferris (I guess) & Mickey Thomas |
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BBC Radio Sheffield
host: Seth Bennett Leicester City verses Sheffield United commentator: Seth Bennett summariser: Keith Edwards Sheffield Wednesday verses Hartlepool United reporter: Andy Giddings |
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Correction: Scunthorpe were playing Middlesbrough
At first the extra person was just hosting, but now they do seem to be using two commentators. Though the coverage is now fully hosted from the ground usually, there are still people in the studio. When all three teams are playing, BBC Radio Leeds uses five people (two commentators at the featured match and a reporter at each of the other two matches, only one less than previously when they had a commentator and a summariser at each match. I doubt they're using less equipment than before, so I am not sure how money is being saved. I don't think that is a reason for the changes, but it may explain why they have two commentators at each featured match instead of one. If Radio Leeds didn't have Adam Pope, I think Radio Leeds would only have one commentator at each featured match. I certainly don't. He may still own one of the Harrogate clubs. I only know he owned one because they played each other in the FA Cup once and he wason Radio York news when an opposition player died in a match. I didn't know he did football commentary, but when he came back to do cricket, I remember the previous commentator saying he was returning. I don't remember Dave Callahan's previous time at Radio Leeds. Dave Callaghan does cricket commentary on Yorkshire now online and AM selected games. I seem to remember didn't he do the presentation at the town hall when Leeds won the league in 1992. |
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Tony Incenzo in the West Midlands? He must have a nosebleed going so far north!
![]() On busy midweek evenings like this you always get one or two reporters venturing outside of the regions they usually cover for talkSPORT. As well as Tony being at Wolves, West Midlands correspondent Dave Rowe was at Wigan (although he's been covering a fair few games in the North-West recently, what with the Midlands being well served for reporters) and John Temple, who is usually heard covering games in Yorkshire and the North-East, crossed the Pennines to report on Everton. I guess you get this because a few of the weekend regulars will be unavailable due to other commitments. I don't know if anyone else heard it, but there was a funny moment during the talkSPORT's commentary on the Manchester derby earlier. "Villa Matt" Smith was producing their coverage from Eastlands and early on in the second half he called back into talkSPORT Towers to see if he could get an off-air update from Ian Danter on Villa's game against Blackpool. Problem was, he hit the wrong button and you could hear his request cutting across Sam and Stan's commentary for a few seconds. Stan was quick to point out who and what had interrupted them. ![]() Aside from that gaff, I must say I really enjoyed talkSPORT's coverage tonight. They struck a good balance between commentary on what was quite a dull match and reports from all of the other games being played in England's top two divisions. |
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Wednesday 10th November 2010
[Magic 1152AM Man City v Man Utd: Hugh Ferris (I guess) & Mickey Thomas ![]() Exactly what is the situation regarding Man CIty and Key 103/Magic 1152? If they are City's official station, surely they'd be doing EVERY game. |
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Exactly what is the situation regarding Man CIty and Key 103/Magic 1152? If they are City's official station, surely they'd be doing EVERY game.
I didn't catch the actual commentator for the Magic coverage (I assumed it was Hugh Ferris) but they certainly didn't have a City pundit. Ironically though in the 30 minute post match phone in they got two City fans calling in. So BBC Manchester have a free reign over City commentaries, although they did home & away full match even when Key 103/Magic covered games. It seems a pretty safe bet that Piccadilly will cut the ties with both clubs once the season ends (if thats when their contract ends). I'm not quite sure why United games on Key 103 didn't work but for a club like that to be on AM only doesn't seem right. Will be interesting to see where, if anywhere, commentaries end up. I spoke the other week that I don't think Real Radio will get involved again. That leaves Rock Radio perhaps or maybe even Capital FM who are replacing Galaxy 102 in the new year. No commercial station seems a right fit to me though. |
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Mind you, he was the youngest person to join The 92 Club you know, so he wouldn't have been that much of a fish out of water.
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Friday 12th November 2010
BBC Lancashire Preston v Hull: Andy Bayes & Ian Bryson (Commentary - 103.9FM Frequency Only) |
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