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Old 09-11-2010, 22:20
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Great to hear info about BBC Cumbria. Thanks, John H. When I lived in Scotland, I used to pick up BBC Radio Carlisle/Cumbria on AM. I am stretching my memory somewhat but was the Carlisle commentator David Lamb in the 1970s? I know Nick Barnes was there before going to BBC Radio Newcastle to cover Sunderland
BBC Radio Carlisle began in 1973 and became BBC Radio Cumbria in 1982.

Believe it or not - but it's true - for a long time, they never did live commentaries on Carlisle United (mostly due to costs) and for almost 2 decades provided match reports from first Alan Douglas (later BBC Scotland), then the late David Lamb (who also hosted the station's breakfast show throughout the 1980s) and finally Len Brewer.

It wasn't until Nick Barnes took over as Sports Producer in 1992, that regular commentaries began. His partnership with Derek Lacey was the stuff of legend - especially during the 1997 Auto Windscreens Shield Final (which Carlisle won in a thrilling penalty shoot).

When Nick left in 1998 to join BBC Newcastle, Derek Lacey became the main commentator with new Sports Producer Graham Moss as summariser (subsequent years saw various ex-Carlisle players as summarisers).

To say that "Degsy" was a legend is the understatement of the millennium - indeed the phrase "Lacey is a Legend" can be seen on the Waterworks End at Brunton Park

His commentary of Jimmy Glass' goal that saved Carlisle from oblivion in 1999 sums the man up:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwhSM...eature=related

I and many others have suggested to BBC Radio Cumbria that they produce a CD of his classic moments of commentary - so far, response has come there none.

As I said in my previous post, James Phillips has done a brilliant job as commentator, though he's the first to say that there'll never be another Derek Lacey.
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Old 09-11-2010, 22:28
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:09
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BBC Radio Leeds
Rotherham United verses Huddersfield Town
commentators: Adam Pope and Paul Ogden
summariser: Kieran O'Regan
Leeds United verses Hull City
reporter: Dave Callahan
Since the change to having one featured match the policy now seems to be to send two commentators, with the programme presenter (Paul Ogden in this case) doing half of the match, 5 Live style.

I wonder how much of the changes are actually about finding a better use for Adam Pope than a few reports from the Leeds match?

Not sure I see the point or how this is providing better value to be honest, but nice to hear Dave Callaghan reporting on the Leeds match - I'm pretty sure he used to do the commentaries in the late 80s/early 90s.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:32
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Correction: Scunthorpe were playing Middlesbrough

Since the change to having one featured match the policy now seems to be to send two commentators, with the programme presenter (Paul Ogden in this case) doing half of the match, 5 Live style.
At first the extra person was just hosting, but now they do seem to be using two commentators. Though the coverage is now fully hosted from the ground usually, there are still people in the studio. When all three teams are playing, BBC Radio Leeds uses five people (two commentators at the featured match and a reporter at each of the other two matches, only one less than previously when they had a commentator and a summariser at each match. I doubt they're using less equipment than before, so I am not sure how money is being saved.

I wonder how much of the changes are actually about finding a better use for Adam Pope than a few reports from the Leeds match?
I don't think that is a reason for the changes, but it may explain why they have two commentators at each featured match instead of one. If Radio Leeds didn't have Adam Pope, I think Radio Leeds would only have one commentator at each featured match.

Not sure I see the point or how this is providing better value to be honest,
I certainly don't.

nice to hear Dave Callaghan reporting on the Leeds match - I'm pretty sure he used to do the commentaries in the late 80s/early 90s.
He may still own one of the Harrogate clubs. I only know he owned one because they played each other in the FA Cup once and he wason Radio York news when an opposition player died in a match. I didn't know he did football commentary, but when he came back to do cricket, I remember the previous commentator saying he was returning. I don't remember Dave Callahan's previous time at Radio Leeds.
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Old 09-11-2010, 23:44
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indeed the phrase "Lacey is a Legend" can be seen on the Waterworks End at Brunton Park

Wasn't it him who did a commentary and hadn't noticed a goal had been disallowed and thus gave the incorrect score for the rest of the commentary, right to full time, and then had to come back on air and correct himself after the final whistle?
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Old 10-11-2010, 00:49
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Wasn't it him who did a commentary and hadn't noticed a goal had been disallowed and thus gave the incorrect score for the rest of the commentary, right to full time, and then had to come back on air and correct himself after the final whistle?
The man himself - Carlsile scored a goal in the first half, but Derek missed the offside as he was writing notes. For the rest of the half, he kept stating "One - Nil to Carlisle".

During the half time break he was told about the offside and had to sheepishly announce the error before the start of the second half. Ironically, Carlisle won that game

He made mistakes, but he was loved for them .

God rest his soul - Always.
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Old 10-11-2010, 01:49
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
In a way it's good to hear that 5 Live will be doing an Around the Grounds show tomorrow night. I've never heard them do one before (although I think they have done a few some years ago) so it will be interesting to hear what this kind of show would sound like on 5 Live.

I listened to talkSPORT's Around the Grounds show this evening and it was excellent, hopefully 5 Live's will be of a similar vein.

But I agree with you 100 per cent about the lack of logic pertaining to the terms of the relevant contracts as set out by the Premier League here.

Here you have a single matchround where only two of the ten games played will be broadcast live on national radio. Compare this to a usual weekend matchround where six or seven of the ten games are broadcast across three national radio stations and it pales in comparison.

With Tuesday games coming under the Monday night package and Wednesday games being included in the Saturday 5.30pm package, two contracts that probably won't stretch to 32 games over the course of a season, for me the sensible thing to do would be to give the rights holders of each contract a second pick commentary on alternate midweek evenings.

There can't be more than six midweek/public holiday matchrounds, and I'm pretty sure there's fewer than 32 5.30pm Saturday games or 32 Monday night games played over the course of the season, so it's not as if they are likely to go over that number come the end of the season.

What I would have done if I was in the Premier League's shoes would be to allow talkSPORT to have a second pick commentary on Tuesday nights to 5 Live's first pick, with 5 Live having a second pick on Wednesday's to talkSPORT's first pick. That way more games get covered, both stations get better value for money from a solution that is fair to each of them and the listeners get a choice of fixtures on both matchnights.
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Old 10-11-2010, 08:40
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5 live confirmed their around the grounds coverage for tomorrow. Have to say that I don't understand the logic in the contract which denies 5 live any Premier league commentary tomorrow on a night when there is close to a full PL fixture programme. With Arsenal and Liverpool both away its a shame listeners aren't getting a greater choice of games to choose from. The contract should be as per 3.00 Saturdays.
It was this arrangement that talkSPORT were desperate to move away from because it was costing them revenue. The theory is that if there is an alternative match on 5 Live then most people will choose it because of the lack of commercial breaks and sponsors' credits, regardless of whether it happens to be the top match of the night.

talkSPORT specifically stated that they wanted their live matches to go out when there is no alternative national commentary available on 5 Live so that they could sell it to advertisers on this basis. I think they were happy to give up a second-pick last night in order to have tonight to themselves (local radio commentaries aside).

This is also the reason that BBC local radio football commentaries will never be available across the UK on the internet - it would breach talkSPORT's national exclusivity.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:31
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This is also the reason that BBC local radio football commentaries will never be available across the UK on the internet.
Just to point out, this already happens. BBC London are for some reason able to stream their commentaries on league games involving their teams, both from the Premier League and the Football League, unlike all other BBC local radio stations in England and Wales.

It was this arrangement that talkSPORT were desperate to move away from because it was costing them revenue. The theory is that if there is an alternative match on 5 Live then most people will choose it because of the lack of commercial breaks and sponsors' credits, regardless of whether it happens to be the top match of the night.

talkSPORT specifically stated that they wanted their live matches to go out when there is no alternative national commentary available on 5 Live so that they could sell it to advertisers on this basis. I think they were happy to give up a second-pick last night in order to have tonight to themselves (local radio commentaries aside).
Do you know this for certain SouthCity? Has someone like Scott Taunton or Moz Dee explicitly stated this in an interview I have missed?

I believe the reason why talkSPORT moved away from the second pick Saturday 3pm games wasn't because they were costing them revenue per se, but purely because they wanted to channel their money into something that is clearly more valuable to them, as exclusive rights to standalone matches are.

However, I don't think having to yield a second pick on Wednesdays if it enabled them to do a commentary on Tuesdays would do them more harm than good given the rarity of the situation over the course of the season. I also think it's highly doubtful that, when given a choice of different games, the listener who may have considered tuning into talkSPORT will always move towards 5 Live regardless of the matches on offer.

Certainly tonight, people want to listen to the Manchester derby, so even if 5 Live were able to do commentary on the Arsenal or Liverpool game I'm sure it wouldn't make too much of an impact on talkSPORT's potential audience (i.e. not including 5 Live devotees who wouldn't be listening anyway, but the more open minded listeners who are willing to consider what's on offer before choosing where to tune to) as at the end of the day they still have national exclusivity over the standout game that people want to listen to.

Sure, having exclusivity to games played at a time when 5 Live cannot do top flight football is very valuable to talkSPORT, much more valuable than the contract they held between 07/08 and 09/10. But I really don't see there being much harm to them in extending the relevant deals to include second picks on midweek matchnights, so long as this is done in a fair and even-handed way, given that these evenings are a relative rarity over the course of a season.

In advertising terms, while it may have cost them some revenue on a one-off basis had 5 Live been able to do a competing game against their Manchester derby coverage tonight, I'm sure a commentary on Stoke v Birmingham last night would have generated extra revenue to counterbalance this somewhat.

Of course every fixture list is different - maybe next time there won't be a standout Wednesday game, but there might be two appealing matches set for Tuesday that would both command a lot of interest. I do think the contractual amendment I am proposing would be in talkSPORT's interest long-term.
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Old 10-11-2010, 13:32
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In a way it's good to hear that 5 Live will be doing an Around the Grounds show tomorrow night. I've never heard them do one before (although I think they have done a few some years ago) so it will be interesting to hear what this kind of show would sound like on 5 Live.
Yes, I mentioned a few pages back that they did do a few, in 2002/03, just before Ian Payne left, they did two in March of that year. The first had an ostensible "main" game as Jonathan Pearce was at Barnsley (and all his notes blew away and ended up in the centre circle) and he did commentary but all the other reporters were able to interrupt - there was no Premier League that night, it was all Football League. They did it again a few weeks later, on Sports Extra as it was the night before the Gulf War started, which had no commentary game at all, just constant reports on a full Football League programme and a pointless dead rubber Man U Champions League game.

They did it again a couple of times in the League Cup, the last time I can remember was when Villa beat Wycombe 8-3 which, as a quick look on Soccerbase confirms, was in 2005.
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Old 10-11-2010, 16:06
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On the BBC's build-up page for the Manchester derby, they've got this under the section on coverage (my bold):

listen on talkSPORT, BBC Radio 5 live and local radio
Hmmm....
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Old 10-11-2010, 19:06
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BBC Radio 5 Live

Premier League
Aston Villa v Blackpool - Pat Murphy
Chelsea v Fulham - Alistair Bruce-Ball and Mark Bright
Everton v Bolton - Ian Brown
Manchester City v Manchester United - John Murray and Robbie Savage
Newcastle v Blackburn - Ian Dennis
West Ham v West Brom - Nigel Adderley
Wigan v Liverpool - Connor McNamara
Wolves v Arsenal - Darren Fletcher and Kevin Phillips

Championship
Leicester v Sheffield United - Jacqui Oatley
Swansea v Bristol City - Alastair Durden
Reading v Cardiff - Simon Mann

Scottish Premier League
Hearts v Celtic - Andy Gillies
Rangers v Hibernian - Roddy Forsyth
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Old 10-11-2010, 19:28
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Wednesday 10th November - talkSPORT

Mark Saggers presenting Kick-Off Exclusive from the City of Manchester Stadium alongside Stan Collymore

Premier League
Aston Villa v Blackpool - Ian Danter
Chelsea v Fulham - Andy Clarke
Everton v Bolton Wanderers - John Temple
Manchester City v Manchester United - Sam Matterface and Stan Collymore (commentary), with Dom McGuinness at pitchside
Newcastle United v Blackburn Rovers - Graham Courtney
West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Ian Abrahams
Wigan Athletic v Liverpool - Dave Rowe
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Tony Incenzo

Championship
Leicester City v Sheffield United - Geoff Peters
Reading v Cardiff City - John Anderson
Swansea City v Bristol City - Roger Hughes


BBC WM

Mark Regan presenting The Football Phone-In from The Mailbox, followed by Rob Gurney with WM Sport from Upton Park

Premier League
Aston Villa v Blackpool - Mike Taylor (DAB in Birmingham commentary)
West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Richard Wilford and Rob Gurney (95.6FM commentary)
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Phil Cartwright and Daz Hale (DAB in Wolverhampton commentary)


BRMB, Beacon Radio (Black Country and Shropshire) and Gold (Birmingham and Black Country)

Tom Ross presenting The Goalzone from Upton Park

Premier League
Aston Villa v Blackpool - Mikey Burrows and Pat Heard (BRMB commentary)
West Ham United v West Bromwich Albion - Tom Ross and Tony Brown (Beacon Black Country and Gold Birmingham commentary)
Wolverhampton Wanderers v Arsenal - Bill Hatton and Robbie Dennison (Beacon Shropshire and Gold Black Country commentary)
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Old 10-11-2010, 19:30
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Tony Incenzo in the West Midlands? He must have a nosebleed going so far north!
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Old 10-11-2010, 19:52
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BBC London 94.9
Host Nick Godwin
Chelsea v Fulham Phil Parry
West Ham v WBA NG and Martin Allen (commentary)
Wolves v Arsenal Kevin Hand
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Old 10-11-2010, 20:22
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BBC Radio Wales

Reading V Cardiff City - Rob Phillips and Iwan Roberts (SE FM / North FM *I think* / Digital TV/Radio / BBC Red Button via Midweek Final Score)
Jackland V Bristol City - Steffan Garerro hosting with commentary from John Hardy and Ian Walsh (SW FM / AM)

BBC Bristol / Somerset

Jackland V Bristol City - Geroff Twentymann (studio host) Richard Hoskin and Adam Baker (94.9FM / 95.5FM / 104.6FM / DAB)

ABs mobile phone application sent him towards the Vetch Field rather than the Liberty stadium (and yes Richard, it still exists - just about)

Real Radio South Wales

Reading V Cardiff City - Steve Flemming
Jackland V Bristol City - Mark Poyser

Swansea Sound

Jackland V Bristol City - Antony O'Connell
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Old 10-11-2010, 20:53
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BBC Radio Scotland 10/11/10

Richard Gordon presenting Sportsound.

SPL commentaries

All online:

Dundee Utd v St Mirren - Scott Davie and Sandy Clark
Hearts v Celtic - Rob MacLean and Murdo MacLeod, with Chris McLaughlin pitchside
Kilmarnock v Hamilton - John Barnes and Scott Booth
Motherwell v St Johnstone - Al Lamont and Des McKeown
Rangers v Hibernian - Liam McLeod and Craig Paterson

Open all mics reporters on 810MW

Dundee Utd v St Mirren - Jim Spence
Hearts v Celtic - John Robertson
Kilmarnock v Hamilton Accies - Billy Dodds
Motherwell v St Johnstone - Allan Preston
Rangers v Hibernian - Chick Young
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Old 10-11-2010, 22:31
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Wednesday 10th November 2010

BBC Lancashire - Host: Gary Hickson
Aston Villa v Blackpool: Ian Chisnall & Steve Canavan (Commentary)
Newcastle v Blackburn: Andy Bayes (Updates)

BBC Manchester - Host: Ian Cheeseman
Man City v Man Utd: Ian Cheeseman (1-22), Bill Rice (23-45), Nigel Gleghorn & David May (Commentary)
Everton v Bolton: Jack Dearden & Alan Gowling (Updates)
Wigan v Liverpool: Phil Kinsella (Updates)

Wish FM 102.4 - Host: Chris Milow
Wigan v Liverpool: Graham Lovett & Neill Rimmer

BBC Merseyside - Host: Gary Flintoff
Wigan v Liverpool: Mike Hughes & John Coleman (FM Commentary)
Everton v Bolton: Derek Jones & Ronnie Goodlass (AM/DAB Commentary)

Radio City 96.7
Wigan v Liverpool: Steve Hothersall & John Aldridge

City Talk 105.9
Everton v Bolton: Alan Irwin & Graeme Sharp

Magic 1152AM
Man City v Man Utd: Hugh Ferris (I guess) & Mickey Thomas
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Old 10-11-2010, 23:20
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BBC Radio Sheffield
host: Seth Bennett
Leicester City verses Sheffield United
commentator: Seth Bennett
summariser: Keith Edwards
Sheffield Wednesday verses Hartlepool United
reporter: Andy Giddings
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Old 10-11-2010, 23:21
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Correction: Scunthorpe were playing Middlesbrough



At first the extra person was just hosting, but now they do seem to be using two commentators. Though the coverage is now fully hosted from the ground usually, there are still people in the studio. When all three teams are playing, BBC Radio Leeds uses five people (two commentators at the featured match and a reporter at each of the other two matches, only one less than previously when they had a commentator and a summariser at each match. I doubt they're using less equipment than before, so I am not sure how money is being saved.



I don't think that is a reason for the changes, but it may explain why they have two commentators at each featured match instead of one. If Radio Leeds didn't have Adam Pope, I think Radio Leeds would only have one commentator at each featured match.



I certainly don't.



He may still own one of the Harrogate clubs. I only know he owned one because they played each other in the FA Cup once and he wason Radio York news when an opposition player died in a match. I didn't know he did football commentary, but when he came back to do cricket, I remember the previous commentator saying he was returning. I don't remember Dave Callahan's previous time at Radio Leeds.
Yeah Gareth Jones and Derm Tanner shared the commentary on the Bradford game the other weekend.

Dave Callaghan does cricket commentary on Yorkshire now online and AM selected games. I seem to remember didn't he do the presentation at the town hall when Leeds won the league in 1992.
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Old 11-11-2010, 00:33
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Tony Incenzo in the West Midlands? He must have a nosebleed going so far north!
Yeah, it was a bit weird to hear Mr QPR reporting from a ground that isn't Loftus Road. Mind you, he was the youngest person to join The 92 Club you know, so he wouldn't have been that much of a fish out of water.

On busy midweek evenings like this you always get one or two reporters venturing outside of the regions they usually cover for talkSPORT. As well as Tony being at Wolves, West Midlands correspondent Dave Rowe was at Wigan (although he's been covering a fair few games in the North-West recently, what with the Midlands being well served for reporters) and John Temple, who is usually heard covering games in Yorkshire and the North-East, crossed the Pennines to report on Everton. I guess you get this because a few of the weekend regulars will be unavailable due to other commitments.

I don't know if anyone else heard it, but there was a funny moment during the talkSPORT's commentary on the Manchester derby earlier.

"Villa Matt" Smith was producing their coverage from Eastlands and early on in the second half he called back into talkSPORT Towers to see if he could get an off-air update from Ian Danter on Villa's game against Blackpool. Problem was, he hit the wrong button and you could hear his request cutting across Sam and Stan's commentary for a few seconds. Stan was quick to point out who and what had interrupted them.

Aside from that gaff, I must say I really enjoyed talkSPORT's coverage tonight. They struck a good balance between commentary on what was quite a dull match and reports from all of the other games being played in England's top two divisions.
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Old 11-11-2010, 00:34
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Wednesday 10th November 2010

[Magic 1152AM
Man City v Man Utd: Hugh Ferris (I guess) & Mickey Thomas
Well, Well - Magic 1152 finally do a Man City commentray this season

Exactly what is the situation regarding Man CIty and Key 103/Magic 1152? If they are City's official station, surely they'd be doing EVERY game.
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Old 11-11-2010, 01:25
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Exactly what is the situation regarding Man CIty and Key 103/Magic 1152? If they are City's official station, surely they'd be doing EVERY game.
Technically they are doing commentary on every game, but online only on the official Manchester City website (which is offered free by the way). Radio City News Journalist Toby Gilles is doing the commentaries for them on that. He used to cover Tranmere for City. They are branded on the website as Key 103 commentary but the reality is that they aren't.

I didn't catch the actual commentator for the Magic coverage (I assumed it was Hugh Ferris) but they certainly didn't have a City pundit. Ironically though in the 30 minute post match phone in they got two City fans calling in.

So BBC Manchester have a free reign over City commentaries, although they did home & away full match even when Key 103/Magic covered games.

It seems a pretty safe bet that Piccadilly will cut the ties with both clubs once the season ends (if thats when their contract ends). I'm not quite sure why United games on Key 103 didn't work but for a club like that to be on AM only doesn't seem right. Will be interesting to see where, if anywhere, commentaries end up. I spoke the other week that I don't think Real Radio will get involved again. That leaves Rock Radio perhaps or maybe even Capital FM who are replacing Galaxy 102 in the new year. No commercial station seems a right fit to me though.
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Old 11-11-2010, 01:32
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Mind you, he was the youngest person to join The 92 Club you know, so he wouldn't have been that much of a fish out of water.
Only £700 spent! How times change. Reminds me of that Minder episode which shows Terry at Stamford Bridge with just £2 admission (something really low anyway). You'd get in about 14 Chelsea games for £700 these days.
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Old 12-11-2010, 19:46
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Preston v Hull: Andy Bayes & Ian Bryson (Commentary - 103.9FM Frequency Only)
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