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Copied to wrong USB folder
![]() AND it was 'Dorothy' in HD.. Obviously i am not permitted to copy again to the correct folder?? Not worked out if possible to copy within the USB drive.. Am i DOOMED ![]() ![]()
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Yes, you can copy within the USB drive by attaching it to a computer if not on the Humax.
The encryption is embedded within the data stream it's not (on the USB) a directory level lock. In fact, unless I'm missing something, the 'copy once' feature is a complete irrelevance. As you can only play back on the box on which it is recorded, why would it make any difference how many copies you made? You can , in any case, duplicate the one you are allowed to make off-box but it won't get you anything other that protection against one copy going bad. |
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Hi,
You can't copy between USB drives via the Humax, but you might be able to copy back to the Hard Drive and then across to the required drive? But whilst I'm on the topic, I'll mention yet more bugs in the Humax software. Some time ago I started to copy a long HD recording across to an external drive but it was going to take so long that I used "Cancel". That (eventually) stopped the transfer but the HDD version was already marked as "Copied", so I was unable to copy it later.However, there are further bugs: I've found that the "File Manager" supports longer file names than the "normal" directory. On another occasion I added a "series" number to a programme name in the File Manager (required to overcome the "drop it out of the folder" bug) and then attempted to copy the file to USB. But the OS threw a wobbly on the longer file name (presumably) and failed to copy, however the file was already marked as "copied". To set the copy flag before even starting the file transfer, is surely another example of shoddy UI design or programming. Cheers, Alan. |
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Hi,
You can't copy between USB drives via the Humax, but you might be able to copy back to the Hard Drive and then across to the required drive? But whilst I'm on the topic, I'll mention yet more bugs in the Humax software. Some time ago I started to copy a long HD recording across to an external drive but it was going to take so long that I used "Cancel". That (eventually) stopped the transfer but the HDD version was already marked as "Copied", so I was unable to copy it later.However, there are further bugs: I've found that the "File Manager" supports longer file names than the "normal" directory. On another occasion I added a "series" number to a programme name in the File Manager (required to overcome the "drop it out of the folder" bug) and then attempted to copy the file to USB. But the OS threw a wobbly on the longer file name (presumably) and failed to copy, however the file was already marked as "copied". To set the copy flag before even starting the file transfer, is surely another example of shoddy UI design or programming. Cheers, Alan. I think you can call it “Copy Once” at your own risk. It’s just one of these things we Brits have to put up with to keep our Hollywood friends happy. That idea of copy back to HDR then back to a different HDD does as far as I can remember, works. One bug that has come to light with me the past week is, like you I was copying (using multi mode) several HD programmes to the external drive that I estimated would take about an hour and a half. I turned the TV off and left the HDR to it. Mean while an hour in the HDR had a scheduled recording to start which stopped the coping process dead (therefore using up your copy once) and failing to record the scheduled programme as well. |
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I think you can call it “Copy Once” at your own risk. It’s just one of these things we Brits have to put up with to keep our Hollywood friends happy.
And why pick on Hollywood? The vast majority of the encrypted programming on HD is home produced. The problems seem to be with Freesat who came up with the 'copy once' system that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever (unless someone can think of a reason), and Humax, for shoddy implementation. |
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Are you suggesting that PVR's in other countries don't have this restriction?
I'm not sure which other countries broadcast their HD UNencrypted for any NON-Freesat box to receive and record (or even the Humax if you're prepared to faff around with manual recording) and then encrypt the data in the box. ![]() Yes, you can always debate the justification of using the word "bug". To me it's unintended and/or unspecified/undesirable functionality, but let's just agree on "shoddy" design ![]() Cheers, Alan. |
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![]() AND it was 'Dorothy' in HD.. Obviously i am not permitted to copy again to the correct folder?? Not worked out if possible to copy within the USB drive.. Am i DOOMED ![]() ![]() ![]() which will be {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .ts {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .nts and finally {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .hmt Good Luck!
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What has it got to do with being British? Are you suggesting that PVR's in other countries don't have this restriction?..
OK fair enough, substitute “we users” for Brits , however (and I maybe wrong on this) in the USA they do not have as much trouble with HDCP as we seem to do in the EU. Like I said I maybe wrong but I remember some time back about there being an up-roar stateside about HDCP because of individuals rights. Quote:
And why pick on Hollywood? The vast majority of the encrypted programming on HD is home produced..
Hollywood are one of the main supporters of HDCP. Most of the home produced stuff is produced by the BBC who allow copy once. I consider this fair but what we are saying is, if there is any problems when copying then you have had it. Quote:
The problems seem to be with Freesat who came up with the 'copy once' system that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever (unless someone can think of a reason), and Humax, for shoddy implementation.
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I believe you posted elsewhere that you had formatted your external drive to EXT3. Did you use a full Linux installation to do this? If so then you can copy from your external drive the "Dorothy" in question to the hard drive of your Linux computer (I made a folder called trial 4 stan), and from there you can copy it to the correct folder on your external drive. I just did a little experiment for you and it worked! Please note that there are three files you need to copy
which will be {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .ts {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .nts and finally {name of programme date stamp_time stamp} .hmt Good Luck! ![]() ] GC..I merely used the recommended start up disc as per this site.. I have read warnings of normal PCs and the EXT3 file system so am hoping that Jepson et al.. will confirm that ok to do on normal PC.. although you seem to be saying 'No way'. Thanks Stan |
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Would it not be possible to reuse the start up disc to boot your PC into linux and then connect the external drive, locate the recording folder and then delete the .HMT file? Shut the PC down and reboot within windows and reattach the ext device then use the AV2HDR application to create a new .HMT file that doesn't have a copy once restriction. Put the ext device back in the foxsat and transfer the show to the internal hdd and then back to the location you had planed for it in the first place.
Edit: Should this be a viable option you may want to put the device into your foxsat first and make a note of all the information like synopsis and start and finish times etc so that the .HMT data includes all the relevent details. |
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Would it not be possible to reuse the start up disc to boot your PC into linux and then connect the external drive, locate the recording folder and then delete the .HMT file? Shut the PC down and reboot within windows and reattach the ext device then use the AV2HDR application to create a new .HMT file that doesn't have a copy once restriction. Put the ext device back in the foxsat and transfer the show to the internal hdd and then back to the location you had planed for it in the first place.
Edit: Should this be a viable option you may want to put the device into your foxsat first and make a note of all the information like synopsis and start and finish times etc so that the .HMT data includes all the relevent details. AV2HDR has the capability to reset the copy flags so if you can connect the drive to a PC you can simply reset the flag. |
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AV2HDR has the capability to reset the copy flags so if you can connect the drive to a PC you can simply reset the flag.
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But does that still apply if the external drive is EXT3 and the Pc is running AV2HDR under windows?
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Sounds terribly complex to trim a few seconds here and there..
What exactly would i lose out if i copied a NON HD extract to my Panasonic Hard drive via Scart with the top XP quality? I wonder in quantitative terms if and what i would have to look for to notice the difference if any
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Sounds terribly complex to trim a few seconds here and there..
What exactly would i lose out if i copied a NON HD extract to my Panasonic Hard drive via Scart with the top XP quality? I wonder in quantitative terms if and what i would have to look for to notice the difference if any ![]() This is how the original vcr's recorded video and you know how poor the pictures are compared to modern kit. Next step up is to keep luminance and chrominance seperate using two wires, thus was born s-video a step up in quality. The next leap in quality which is pretty much where we are now is to seperate the video info into 3 seperate channels with Red Green and Blue info (or it's cousin which saves bandwidth component Y, Pr, Pb). In a modern TV Red Green and Blue (and component) gives the best picture and it's this info that is compressed into a Digital TV transmission using a lossy mpeg compression system (mpeg2 for SD, mpeg4 for HD). Viewing a recording made from a cvbs output is basically just like using a vcr to replay the picture. The bigger the screen the worse it will look, it will always be very poor on a display that can resolve the finer detail. Recording from cvbs goes like this to a DVDR The sending equipment converts the mpeg data into a 25 fps 720 x 576 pal cvbs analogue signal. (major loss in quality) The receiving DVDR takes the analogue 576i input and digitises it and then compresses it again back to mpeg2. This is recorded back to the HDD. Considering all the multiple conversion it works very well starting with a RGB source. From a composite source it's rubbish. Even recording to a DVDR loses quality because of the double conversion required, a direct transfer of the original mpeg data for a SD mpeg2 transmission is lossless just like it is when the pvr records this straight to a hard disc. |
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OK fair enough, substitute “we users” for Brits , however (and I maybe wrong on this) in the USA they do not have as much trouble with HDCP as we seem to do in the EU.
Like I said I maybe wrong but I remember some time back about there being an up-roar stateside about HDCP because of individuals rights. http://www.eff.org/cases/ala-v-fcc |
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Some time ago I started to copy a long HD recording across to an external drive but it was going to take so long that I used "Cancel". That (eventually) stopped the transfer but the HDD version was already marked as "Copied", so I was unable to copy it later.
To set the copy flag before even starting the file transfer, is surely another example of shoddy UI design or programming. 
