I couldn't stand the way she was butting in when Emma and Arjun were trying to sell the paintings. Although I must admit that miserable face she had on during her treat did make me feel a bit better
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Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“She was making the valid point (though over stressing it) that rarity isn't the only guide to value.”
“She was making the valid point (though over stressing it) that rarity isn't the only guide to value.”
Well, yeah, it was a good point. Some great artists were very prolific.
Originally Posted by superboy:
“I couldn't stand the way she was butting in when Emma and Arjun were trying to sell the paintings. Although I must admit that miserable face she had on during her treat did make me feel a bit better”
“I couldn't stand the way she was butting in when Emma and Arjun were trying to sell the paintings. Although I must admit that miserable face she had on during her treat did make me feel a bit better”
TBH I can forgive her for butting in if she truely felt they needed her input (they probably didn't, but she has consistently been by far the strongest in sales).
What concerns me is that it appeared in the board room that she denied doing it and then lied about being asked to do it
. I'll have to re-watch the show to be sure there wasn't some cunning editing going on, but it seemed pretty poor.
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“TBH I can forgive her for butting in if she truely felt they needed her input (they probably didn't, but she has consistently been by far the strongest in sales).
What concerns me is that it appeared in the board room that she denied doing it and then lied about being asked to do it. I'll have to re-watch the show to be sure there wasn't some cunning editing going on, but it seemed pretty poor.”
“TBH I can forgive her for butting in if she truely felt they needed her input (they probably didn't, but she has consistently been by far the strongest in sales).
What concerns me is that it appeared in the board room that she denied doing it and then lied about being asked to do it
. I'll have to re-watch the show to be sure there wasn't some cunning editing going on, but it seemed pretty poor.”
She didn't she said she butted in when they didn't know the answer to questions. Depends whether it mattered and if she was right or they didn't know. If they were talking to art experts it wmight well matter and, even if she didn't know everything, she knew more than the other two did and probably had a better idea than they did when they were wrong.
Originally Posted by bristol pixie:
“The thing that annoys me about Zoe is that she talks in cliche's that she's heard on previous episodes of the apprentice.
It sounds so fake”
“The thing that annoys me about Zoe is that she talks in cliche's that she's heard on previous episodes of the apprentice.
It sounds so fake”
They all do. They are all pretty good at it . "Make me the project manager and I will show you", My team stitched me up", " I am like you, I worked from when I was 6 months old up chimneys trying to set up my own business"
The trick though is not to make the same mistakes. Emma and Tim are making classic ones. Arjun and Zoe are not. Zoe is also controlling herself better than Badger, Clare and Debra could. In that sense she's showing she can learn from watching it and would learn as an apprentice.
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“TBH I can forgive her for butting in if she truely felt they needed her input (they probably didn't, but she has consistently been by far the strongest in sales).
What concerns me is that it appeared in the board room that she denied doing it and then lied about being asked to do it. I'll have to re-watch the show to be sure there wasn't some cunning editing going on, but it seemed pretty poor.”
“TBH I can forgive her for butting in if she truely felt they needed her input (they probably didn't, but she has consistently been by far the strongest in sales).
What concerns me is that it appeared in the board room that she denied doing it and then lied about being asked to do it
. I'll have to re-watch the show to be sure there wasn't some cunning editing going on, but it seemed pretty poor.”
Off the top of my head I can't remember any candidate ever saying sorry to another in the boardroom. Maybe it's perceived as being weak, although I'd say the opposite and shows emotional maturity. Yeah, so the editors will take that out
I think Zoe just got over excited at running 'her gallery'. In her mind she was just working really hard and she was. It does undermine Arjun and Emma but I don't think it was done for that purpose. Butting in and stealing a customer is something you can only do if you're the boss. But did she do that? Butting in and contradicting a colleague in front of a customer is bad. Did she do that? Butting in to add something that could help is backing up your colleague. Though I can understand why the others felt miffed as they hadn't invited help as they were probably doing alright as they were.
Originally Posted by UnrealityTV:
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She won't win. The up-their-own-backside ones never do.”
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She won't win. The up-their-own-backside ones never do.”
Maybe not, but I think LAS let's them get far in the contest because they're good telly. The series would have been quite boring without Zoe, i reckon. :yawn:
Originally Posted by jamesdeanuk:
“Don't know what she was thinking when she said that Leonardo had done hundreds of paintings, there's no more than 30 known works.”
“Don't know what she was thinking when she said that Leonardo had done hundreds of paintings, there's no more than 30 known works.”
Really? Even if she was correct, the way she said it was horrible, and I probably would have told her to go f herself
She makes me howl with laughter - every emotion (usually negative) is shown on her face.
She scowls for England but bless her she's a young girl from apparently a priviliged background that has chutzpah. I don't mind that - she'll learn.
If she wasn't there it'd be a much duller series.
Shame BB is ending - she'd be perfect fodder.
She scowls for England but bless her she's a young girl from apparently a priviliged background that has chutzpah. I don't mind that - she'll learn.
If she wasn't there it'd be a much duller series.
Shame BB is ending - she'd be perfect fodder.
Originally Posted by jamesdeanuk:
“Don't know what she was thinking when she said that Leonardo had done hundreds of paintings, there's no more than 30 known works.”
“Don't know what she was thinking when she said that Leonardo had done hundreds of paintings, there's no more than 30 known works.”
There's tons of drawings and sketches but yes I don't think she was referring to that.
Originally Posted by Fringo:
“There's tons of drawings and sketches but yes I don't think she was referring to that.”
“There's tons of drawings and sketches but yes I don't think she was referring to that.”
Yeah, maybe Zoe was getting a bit mixed up, and was factoring in all his ideas for inventions and other output as artwork.
Originally Posted by parthy:
“Yeah, maybe Zoe was getting a bit mixed up, and was factoring in all his ideas for inventions and other output as artwork.”
“Yeah, maybe Zoe was getting a bit mixed up, and was factoring in all his ideas for inventions and other output as artwork.”
Indeed and even if she was she didn't have to go about it that way.
She's only a kid and in many aspects a very mature one but my lordy she needs to learn some social graces.
I adored it when she thought it all went so well and didn't acknowledge her holier than thou attitude and pitching in when she didn't need to and then after the board room and off she huffed.
I don't want to be mean because she's put herself on the line but my lord she has bags of personality - it'll all be knocked out of her in the course of time - which in a way is a shame but she needs humility and quick smart.
I'm team Zoe - just because she makes me guffaw like nothing has in eons!
Originally Posted by Fringo:
“There's tons of drawings and sketches but yes I don't think she was referring to that.”
“There's tons of drawings and sketches but yes I don't think she was referring to that.”
In 2006 the Victoria & Albert put on a major show of his drawings. His notebooks were full of them and they aren't what you'd normally think of by the word 'sketches'. Highly detailed drawings and artworks in their own right. The inventions are more sketch like. Da Vinci is best known for two famous paintings, that there was a great deal more was a surprise to many as few had seen them. Zoe might well have gone to the exhibition.
If later on one of the artworks had been Munch's Scream, Emma might well have been able to convey to buyers on how it speaks to you
When she, Emma, and Arjun walked out of the boardroom, Emma tried to give her a hug but she just ignored her.
Anyone see that bit ? - what a b*tch
Anyone see that bit ? - what a b*tch
Originally Posted by Fringo:
“I don't want to be mean because she's put herself on the line but my lord she has bags of personality - it'll all be knocked out of her in the course of time - which in a way is a shame but she needs humility and quick smart.”
“I don't want to be mean because she's put herself on the line but my lord she has bags of personality - it'll all be knocked out of her in the course of time - which in a way is a shame but she needs humility and quick smart.”
This is so true, and quite sad in a way. That's what adulthood, and with that the accompanying loss of idealism and inversely proportional gain of cynicism, does to a person.
Originally Posted by parthy:
“This is so true, and quite sad in a way. That's what adulthood, and with that the accompanying loss of idealism and inversely proportional gain of cynicism, does to a person.”
“This is so true, and quite sad in a way. That's what adulthood, and with that the accompanying loss of idealism and inversely proportional gain of cynicism, does to a person.”
They are pretty cynical already. Typical teenagers possibly. If anything there's room for more idealism to grow (eg at uni).
'I'm trying to stay positive'
Originally Posted by CXC3000:
“When she, Emma, and Arjun walked out of the boardroom, Emma tried to give her a hug but she just ignored her.
Anyone see that bit ? - what a b*tch”
“When she, Emma, and Arjun walked out of the boardroom, Emma tried to give her a hug but she just ignored her.
Anyone see that bit ? - what a b*tch
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Yes, but I don't agree that shows her as a bitch.
I suspect Zoe hasn't had a lot of criticism in her life yet. Or actually heard it
Well she was forced to listen to it in the boardroom. Might have a thin skin.
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“They are pretty cynical already. Typical teenagers possibly. If anything there's room for more idealism to grow (eg at uni).
'I'm trying to stay positive'”
“They are pretty cynical already. Typical teenagers possibly. If anything there's room for more idealism to grow (eg at uni).
'I'm trying to stay positive'”
Nah, I was the opposite at uni, idealism went out the window fairly rapidly.
Originally Posted by parthy:
“Nah, I was the opposite at uni, idealism went out the window fairly rapidly.”
“Nah, I was the opposite at uni, idealism went out the window fairly rapidly.”
You didn't go to Edinburgh did you? Cos it's not what it used to be
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“Off the top of my head I can't remember any candidate ever saying sorry to another in the boardroom. Maybe it's perceived as being weak, although I'd say the opposite and shows emotional maturity. Yeah, so the editors will take that out
I think Zoe just got over excited at running 'her gallery'. In her mind she was just working really hard and she was. It does undermine Arjun and Emma but I don't think it was done for that purpose. Butting in and stealing a customer is something you can only do if you're the boss. But did she do that? Butting in and contradicting a colleague in front of a customer is bad. Did she do that? Butting in to add something that could help is backing up your colleague. Though I can understand why the others felt miffed as they hadn't invited help as they were probably doing alright as they were.”
“Off the top of my head I can't remember any candidate ever saying sorry to another in the boardroom. Maybe it's perceived as being weak, although I'd say the opposite and shows emotional maturity. Yeah, so the editors will take that out
I think Zoe just got over excited at running 'her gallery'. In her mind she was just working really hard and she was. It does undermine Arjun and Emma but I don't think it was done for that purpose. Butting in and stealing a customer is something you can only do if you're the boss. But did she do that? Butting in and contradicting a colleague in front of a customer is bad. Did she do that? Butting in to add something that could help is backing up your colleague. Though I can understand why the others felt miffed as they hadn't invited help as they were probably doing alright as they were.”
Having now re-watched - at 31 minutes in it certainly looks like Zoe has cut into Emma's pitch, leaving Emma to wander off looking rather putout. Emma is then shown in later interview complaining about Zoe coming in and taking over sales. Arjun also is interviewed saying much the same - so it wasn't just a boardroom thing.
But I've watched enough apprentice now to realise it could all be in the edit and Zoe is simply over keen - though I strongly suspect it is she who's on the end of Lordalun's "you rub people up the wrong way" spoiler from next week.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“You may not, but artists do care, because they know that she'll understand what they are trying to do. She was absolutely right to mention it. And they won because of her.
Sorry old bean, but that is how the art world works. It's not about you
The others were useless, apart from clever little Argan, the short dark horse. He's excellent!”
“You may not, but artists do care, because they know that she'll understand what they are trying to do. She was absolutely right to mention it. And they won because of her.
Sorry old bean, but that is how the art world works. It's not about you
The others were useless, apart from clever little Argan, the short dark horse. He's excellent!
”
Really?!!
Originally Posted by parthy:
“Did my ears deceive me or did Zoe say that Jackson Pollack knocks out paintings every night - the Jackson Pollack who has been dead for over 50 years?”
“Did my ears deceive me or did Zoe say that Jackson Pollack knocks out paintings every night - the Jackson Pollack who has been dead for over 50 years?”
Just what I was about to post in response to sofakat
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“You didn't go to Edinburgh did you? Cos it's not what it used to be”
“You didn't go to Edinburgh did you? Cos it's not what it used to be”
Lol!
I miss Margaret 
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Having now re-watched - at 31 minutes in it certainly looks like Zoe has cut into Emma's pitch, leaving Emma to wander off looking rather putout. Emma is then shown in later interview complaining about Zoe coming in and taking over sales. Arjun also is interviewed saying much the same - so it wasn't just a boardroom thing.
But I've watched enough apprentice now to realise it could all be in the edit and Zoe is simply over keen - though I strongly suspect it is she who's on the end of Lordalun's "you rub people up the wrong way" spoiler from next week.”
“Having now re-watched - at 31 minutes in it certainly looks like Zoe has cut into Emma's pitch, leaving Emma to wander off looking rather putout. Emma is then shown in later interview complaining about Zoe coming in and taking over sales. Arjun also is interviewed saying much the same - so it wasn't just a boardroom thing.
But I've watched enough apprentice now to realise it could all be in the edit and Zoe is simply over keen - though I strongly suspect it is she who's on the end of Lordalun's "you rub people up the wrong way" spoiler from next week.”
Well Emma shouldn't have wandered off either. Stood her ground and continued with the possible buyer. Just say 'as my colleague said' then re-engage with the customer. But that's where confidence and experience come in. The customer will choose who to talk to anyway i.e to the one that's talking the most sense.
Which is why last year Debra sold the Bond book and Ben didn't.
It's not the same as Mona talking all over Yasmina when they went in to try and clean those ugly Hummers.
Agreed, can only be Zoe as the others do listen and seem to get along fairly well. Nothing a teenager likes least than not being listened to.
Originally Posted by sezzie:
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Lol! I miss Margaret ”
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Lol!
I miss Margaret ”
I COMPLETELY missed that reference. I am so upset with myself.
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“Well Emma shouldn't have wandered off either. Stood her ground and continued with the possible buyer.”
“Well Emma shouldn't have wandered off either. Stood her ground and continued with the possible buyer.”
Like Zoe when Hibah interrupted her in the first week.
I found it interesting that Zoe butted in the way she did, considering her own reaction to someone trying to muscle in on her sales negotiation in week one.
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