Just made my decision easier on getting an android phone now, probably the desire. Everything mentioned today has been seen before, its all nonsense, that's Apple all over again giving us stuff the majority wont use and stuff that's been around for ages. Yet all their ad campaigns say its a revolution. Anyway that's why they're good at what they do, people buy into it easily.

Was hoping that Apple could have kept something hidden that would surprise us but in the end it has been known for a while. Some basic features on other phones still haven't made it to the iphone and it's been 3-4 years! Android will be king soon if Apple dont buck up thier ideas in the next 2 years.

Their idea at the moment is to purposely release hardware that doesn't reach its full potential to make their next product look amazing. They leave all sorts of features out that they could have put in like the camera on the iPad, they're already planning the second one.

RED, what can an Android phone do that the iPhone 4 cant??

o2 arent doing the preorders, that registration form is not for preorders (and it says as much) its simply for information only.

I signed up on o2 for more information. Im still well within my contract so i doubt i will be able to do anything though just interested in the cost of the phone and what talk plans they announce with it.

Surprised that it will be here so soon though.

I must admit, I'm leaning that way too - I've just spent the last half an hour YT'ing videos of Android to see whether I could get on with it. In all likelihood think I'll hang on another couple of months, see what the user experience with the new iphone is like and what the pack do to try and leapfrog the iphone 4.

I am really surprised there wasn't a 64GB model. Maybe their goal to keep it really slim prevented one?

More to the point, if Apple releases a rubbish iphone (according to RED) that has features that most people won't use, how is an android phone with more features than an iphone going to appeal to the majority also.

A phone will appeal to different people for different reasons.

People a quick to jump on iphone buyers by calling them mindless sheep, but I would say that opinion is more true for those who see fit to slam the iphone every chance they get and say Android phones are better. It's getting a bit boring now, you buy your phone for what you want to use it for and I'll buy my iphone for what I want it for.

Don't understand why people are getting excited about the HD recording feature. I had it on my old handset and using the full HD settings, my phone's battery lasted no longer than 25 - 30 minutes.

I didn't say I had pre ordered on o2. I said I had signed up for pre order info. Which means information supplied prior to being able to place an order does it not?

At the moment you are not able to pre order, but it is likely that will change as we get to the 15th. As part of the registration form they ask will you be wanting to buy on release date or are you just signing up for info. If you click on the buy on day of release option they even ask you to fill in a form so they can possibly send you a Micro SIM before the release date.

Due to the huge demand there will be, o2 would be mad not to have some form of pre order method in place before the launch, even if it is not the same as Apple's 15th of June date.

Unless you work for o2 of course and know something different and definite.

speaking as an iPhone owner since the first model, then paid to upgrade to a 3G I'm definitely making the next step up to the 4th model, as it gives more functionality and a better camera (which is what I currently like about the iPhone, it's got instant uploading of pics to facebook and flickr)

I like the ability to go out for a night out, get a couple of fun pics of mates messing about and then instantly post them on their facebook walls or something which can be done on other mobiles but seems clunkier (the iPhone just works in a simple way)

now... the Android debate is a good one - but I've used Android and it's still in it's infancy in my view, but I've got friends who got out of their iPhone deals, went for the Android handset and are now regretting it saying "It's good, but the iPhone just did stuff better...."

people these days use their mobiles for much more than calls, I've got a friend who relies on his XDA as a satnav as well as for his emails, but the overall view of people I know and work with is that the iPhone's popularity is based on the fact that it's simple to use, and what it does do, it does well. People complained at first about lack of MMS messages, lack of video-calling, lack of FM tuners, lack of expandable memory.... tons of stuff - then iPhone's OS was upgraded to include MMS, and since I've had my iPhone, I STILL get fewer than 3 MMS messages a month and I hardly send them! Times have moved on from the novelity of MMS

next up... video-calling - in my view it's been crap up to now, when video calling over 3G was launched you had loads of people clamouring for the latest Sony or Nokia handset just because it's a new function and people wanted it, but the video quality was awful, sound was awful and in many cases of people I know, they either hung up and rang the person back in a phone call, or just gave up video calling altogether as a lost cause.... so the iPhone 4 will include a video-calling function. Great if you need it, but if not.... it's there if the need arises, but it's not like it's being MADE to be used, just don't click that button

people will always hate the iPhone, mostly because it's genuinely good at what it's supposed to do, and with the apps stuff, people are making it more than just a phone, it's becoming more and more part of people's day to day lives (I use mine for updates on the tube/trains whilst I'm on the way to work to figure out which route to take if I'm gonna be late for a meeting) so to me it's great, to others... they'll see it as a toy and nothing more

each to their own, but in my view the iPhone is worth the money I've paid for it so far, and I'm willing to buy the next one purely because I want a newer handset with a better battery and may as well get the latest model

I don't disagree that the new iPhone will be a great phone, but for me and most people I know it just isn't worth the premium. Deals I was looking at - Desire was half the cost of iPhone; plus other networks like Virgin and 3 were offering it too.

I don't want to slag off the Desire, but I've genuinely got friends who regret buying it, saying that it's not what it appears

be interesting to see how much it is on PAYG although I can't really justify spending any more money on gadgets

well, that won't be the case on the iPhone, as that is not how apple stuff works. Out of interest, what phone was that?

The US price points haven't changed so I guess there will be no difference to the existing PAYG prices here; I think its £450/550 on o2

I want the iPhone 4 on PAYG, I currently have a 3GS. I bet it will cost a fortune though.

I can't believe simple things like full Bluetooth capability to swap pictures and files, and yes, even music, between phones has not made it to the iPhone unless you jailbreak it. No other mobile phone maker has a problem with people sending whatever they want over Bluetooth so why have Apple? Simple things like changing the befault black background on the home screen to another colour or God forbid, a picture aren't possible too unles you hack the phone. And I can't believe it has taken them 4 models to finally include a bloody flash with their camera.

I only recently started using Apple products and while they are fun and great to use, they are seriously feature lacking.

Why don't you get something else? Why do you want the iPhone 4 when you think it's so crippled? It'll be extremely expensive on PAYG, of course.

In typical Apple fashion, they've taken features that others have had for years, restricted them, and made them into a feature .....

- LED flash. A single one. Even Nokia have been putting two of them in - ie. double the light .... which makes them half as useless.
- Video calling. But only via WiFi, and only to other iPhones. Why not try to support the video calling standards that have been in place for years?

It'll be interesting to see the quality of video recording on it, and see if a comparison can be done against the N8 when it comes out. In theory, the N8 should comprehensively beat the iPhone 4 on video quality. Of course not everyone wants a compact-beating camera in their pocket at all times ...

The screen is utterly gorgeous though.

1. Not all LEDs are created equal. Nothing could be further from the truth really.
2. Because they don't think it's high quality enough? Never was on my SE K800. Horrific, in fact. I don't see myself using it much but if it really is going to benefit lip readers/sign language users, quality needs to be much better than "normal" video calling. They've published the specs and made it open source, so it won't be iphone>iphone only for long, and obviously the next iteration of iChat will be compatible. From the videos seen on the tech blogs so far, it is far, far higher quality than video calling as euro GSM users know it.

I looks extremely feature packed to me for something that is only 9.3mm thick.

Registered my interest with O2 and will try and get one at launch.

Wallpapers can be changed in the new OS, though I cant see myself using that much. Nothing ruins the aesthetics of a phone more than a hideous wallpaper.

Also, I personally havent used bluetooth transfers since my school days. Isnt it a bit old hat?

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I have been a loyal HTC Hero owner for the last year however ive often found myself wishing that my iPod Touch had phone capabilities since its just so intuitive. I was waiting for the launch yesterday to see if its worth switching and whilst its not a giant leap forward, it certainly lays the foundations for what is to come. I certainly will be jumping over to Apple-land.

Wireless old hat!? Having to use a cable seems more old fashioned to me

Actually it strikes me as very useful for Apple's typical market of creatives or students, people who work on files (audio, video or even just text) on more than one machine at more than one location. You can easily forget your USB stick but you'll always have your iPhone with you so it would be perfect for transferring files.

Installed iOS4 and am currently signing up for Game Center. This NEEEEDS FB Connect support.

1. True, but I've yet to see an LED that was actually useful for anything other than video. They're useless for stills of people - if LEDs were any good, you'd see them on compacts and DSLRs. And guess what, they haven't been used for anything other than video.

2. Quality is generally good enough - why not enable it with reduced data rates over HSDPA? Having it scale its resolution to whatever is available makes complete and utter sense. Its more a case of them knowing that the US networks are incapable of keeping up with demand for bandwidth as it is, and further screwing them with additional data would be seriously bad for service.

There's also the issue stateside of data tariffs becoming mildly useless - 250meg ($15) or 2gig ($25?). Which isn't anywhere near enough for all the streaming data that a lot of iPhone users would like to use.

True, but I know personally that I wouldnt ever need to transfer music or files to my friends. Some may do, I dont.


Thats a good point!