This isn't mine hope the owner doesn't mind. Found this.
http://act.ly/22i
Sign that if you want them back.
http://act.ly/22i
Sign that if you want them back.
A petition to bring back Ian, Lilia, Darren, Matthew and Brian
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It's not that I don't wish they were coming back because I really, really do... but you might as well save the effort because a petition won't make any difference. For one thing you'd have to get tens (or even hundreds) of thousands of signatures before the producers look twice at it. Realistically that's not going to happen. The majority of viewers won't even know this is happening, or wouldn't think it mattered if they did. It's only when they tune in to next series and wonder why the standard of choreo and teaching has dropped so much that they might think back to last year's pros.
This isn't politics it's TV. You don't have a say, so I wouldn't waste your time on this, as much as you want to.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“. It's only when they tune in to next series and wonder why the standard of choreo and teaching has dropped so much that they might think back to last year's pros.”
“. It's only when they tune in to next series and wonder why the standard of choreo and teaching has dropped so much that they might think back to last year's pros.”
Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.
Originally Posted by yelsel:
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
We didnt get to see everything from brian he was only on the show for 2 years.I think brian got sidelined because he agreed to do BTF when it would have clashed with strictly.
Imagine what it will be like for these 3 boys coming in knowing there is so much anger that they are replaced 3 beloved pros. That is a tough position to be in and I hope they handle the pressure.
Originally Posted by yelsel:
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
Inexperience, that's the bottom line. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the current pros have a lot of teaching experience and know how to choreograph - both spectacularly and cleverly to suit the celeb or the dance. The new dancers aren't even all ballroom or Latin specialists, so it's very easy to see that they could really struggle with the choreographical demands of the show.
And seeing as the pros still manage to make different routines every week to anything they've done before, I hardly think we've seen everything they have to offer
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Inexperience, that's the bottom line. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the current pros have a lot of teaching experience and know how to choreograph - both spectacularly and cleverly to suit the celeb or the dance. The new dancers aren't even all ballroom or Latin specialists, so it's very easy to see that they could really struggle with the choreographical demands of the show.
And seeing as the pros still manage to make different routines every week to anything they've done before, I hardly think we've seen everything they have to offer”
“Inexperience, that's the bottom line. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the current pros have a lot of teaching experience and know how to choreograph - both spectacularly and cleverly to suit the celeb or the dance. The new dancers aren't even all ballroom or Latin specialists, so it's very easy to see that they could really struggle with the choreographical demands of the show.
And seeing as the pros still manage to make different routines every week to anything they've done before, I hardly think we've seen everything they have to offer
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I agree !!!
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Inexperience, that's the bottom line. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the current pros have a lot of teaching experience and know how to choreograph - both spectacularly and cleverly to suit the celeb or the dance. The new dancers aren't even all ballroom or Latin specialists, so it's very easy to see that they could really struggle with the choreographical demands of the show.
And seeing as the pros still manage to make different routines every week to anything they've done before, I hardly think we've seen everything they have to offer”
“Inexperience, that's the bottom line. Yes, everyone has to start somewhere, but the current pros have a lot of teaching experience and know how to choreograph - both spectacularly and cleverly to suit the celeb or the dance. The new dancers aren't even all ballroom or Latin specialists, so it's very easy to see that they could really struggle with the choreographical demands of the show.
And seeing as the pros still manage to make different routines every week to anything they've done before, I hardly think we've seen everything they have to offer
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And Anton is a Latin specialist then !!!
You know nothing of the new dancers yet you are prepared to condemn them before you see what they can do.....
Originally Posted by yelsel:
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
My reasoning for thinking standards will decline is that the pros who will not be competing produced the best choreography of all. Those pros are now gone, which is a reduction in quality. Unless these new pros are as good or better than the exceptional standard of three of the five pros now leaving (unlikely given that the three I am thinking of are unparalleled, in my opinion, across seven series of Strictly), that equates to a reduction in quality.
And these new dancers do not have the experience or credentials of those who are leaving. Therefore I believe with some confidence that the quality will suffer sharply through this change.
Originally Posted by yelsel:
“And Anton is a Latin specialist then !!!
You know nothing of the new dancers yet you are prepared to condemn them before you see what they can do.....”
“And Anton is a Latin specialist then !!!
You know nothing of the new dancers yet you are prepared to condemn them before you see what they can do.....
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I said ballroom or Latin, at least he is very experienced in one - High School Musical doesn't give you experience in either!
ETA; And for the record, I won't be signing the petition as I know it won't make any difference, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to voice my displeasure at the changes.
its not going to work whats done is done. you people moan that you want change they give it to you and spice up the show. they want to bring in new meat. dont moan at me that anton is still there because it wasnt my decision, but the lineup we have isnt bad !
Lilia, Darren, Ian and Matthew were great choreographers and very good dance coaches, so they will be missed in that respect regarding the celebs.
But take last year for instance. Lilia was voted out first go because it was impossible to make Richard any better than she did. Martina Hingis was voted off, so Matt was out first go too. Darren showed what he could do with Jill and Emma, but often he was limited by older partners. We missed out on the potential these great dancers have.
If they make good use of them each week to produce spectacular pro dances, that could be an improvement to the show.
This showdance by Matt and Aliona was an example of everything being right - including rehearsed to perfection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBQxNI5LpUM
This Moulin Rouge Cha Cha you can see that it could have done with more rehearsal to eliminate the small mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMFfSUiPlkU
If they improve the celebrities, the celeb competition part of the show may not suffer as much as is feared, despite taking away some of the best pro teacher/choreographers.
But take last year for instance. Lilia was voted out first go because it was impossible to make Richard any better than she did. Martina Hingis was voted off, so Matt was out first go too. Darren showed what he could do with Jill and Emma, but often he was limited by older partners. We missed out on the potential these great dancers have.
If they make good use of them each week to produce spectacular pro dances, that could be an improvement to the show.
This showdance by Matt and Aliona was an example of everything being right - including rehearsed to perfection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBQxNI5LpUM
This Moulin Rouge Cha Cha you can see that it could have done with more rehearsal to eliminate the small mistakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMFfSUiPlkU
If they improve the celebrities, the celeb competition part of the show may not suffer as much as is feared, despite taking away some of the best pro teacher/choreographers.
Whilst I am not happy about the pros who have been sidelined, I am prepared to give the 3 new guys a chance. I hope we don't have a repeat of Natalie last year who I felt came in for a lot of unfair criicism simply because she was new & also because she had a talented partner.
I have every symapthy for those who are angry with the BBC and the producers but let's not take it out on the new boys who are just accepting what for them will be a great opportunity.
I have every symapthy for those who are angry with the BBC and the producers but let's not take it out on the new boys who are just accepting what for them will be a great opportunity.
Originally Posted by yelsel:
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
“Do you know enough about the new dancers to say that they are not as good as the old dancers ? How do you know that the choreo will not improve ?, new dogs, new tricks, we must have seen almost everything the previous dancers had to offer, time for some new blood.”
Depends what you mean by "good as"? Just go to dancesportinfo or their biog pages and compare and you will see that they are not in the same league. It isn't true to say we know nothing about them. But true, we don't know to what extent their personalities will shine through.
However if you mean that you think that the programme had got a bit stale with the same pros, then I think that is a valid point. To some extent I'd rather see Matt Cutler and Ian Waite in particular (but also the others) dancing with proper professional partners than celebs, and so for me, the acceptability of the swap round depends on how much air the professional troupe gets.
This is an article on Jared Murillo from a couple of years ago. I realize that he does not have the experience that the seasoned pros on SCD have had but to say he has only been in High Musical is not a fair representation of him.
http://heraldextra.com/news/local/ar...a4c8593cf.html
I think the true test of Jared will be his ability to choreograph and teach the smooth ballroom dances. That is my concern with him. Can he pull off a quickstep or a foxtrot?
http://heraldextra.com/news/local/ar...a4c8593cf.html
Quote:
“Jared also competes in Europe at various events which will culminate with the British Open Championships in Blackpool, England.”
“Jared also competes in Europe at various events which will culminate with the British Open Championships in Blackpool, England.”
Quote:
“Jared Murillo of Mapleton, Utah, won the National Youth Latin Ballroom title this weekend at the prestigious United States DanceSport Championships held at Brigham Young University. He danced his way to the title with his partner, Lacey Schwimmer, who resides in Redlands, California.
It is the first time in recent memory that a Utahn has won this particular event. He now holds multiple titles as the current World and United States Swing Champion, to add to his burgeoning resume of championship titles.”
“Jared Murillo of Mapleton, Utah, won the National Youth Latin Ballroom title this weekend at the prestigious United States DanceSport Championships held at Brigham Young University. He danced his way to the title with his partner, Lacey Schwimmer, who resides in Redlands, California.
It is the first time in recent memory that a Utahn has won this particular event. He now holds multiple titles as the current World and United States Swing Champion, to add to his burgeoning resume of championship titles.”
I think the true test of Jared will be his ability to choreograph and teach the smooth ballroom dances. That is my concern with him. Can he pull off a quickstep or a foxtrot?
Originally Posted by Lili27:
“This is an article on Jared Murillo from a couple of years ago. I realize that he does not have the experience that the seasoned pros on SCD have had but to say he has only been in High Musical is not a fair representation of him.”
“This is an article on Jared Murillo from a couple of years ago. I realize that he does not have the experience that the seasoned pros on SCD have had but to say he has only been in High Musical is not a fair representation of him.”
I agree he has done a lot more than High School Musical. He seemed to do quite a lot of competing up to youth level and so he does have quite a lot of competitive latin experience. No ballroom, so agree with your concerns. However although the artlcie mentions Blackpool he didn't do brilliantly there (not as well as many of our much maligned UK dancers)
Quote:
“No ballroom”
“No ballroom”
Well that would be a problem because how is supposed to teach a ballroom dance to his partner?
Originally Posted by Lili27:
“Well that would be a problem because how is supposed to teach a ballroom dance to his partner?”
“Well that would be a problem because how is supposed to teach a ballroom dance to his partner?
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Would it be reasonable to expect him to have experience in Ballroom, even though his main focus was competing in Latin?
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Would it be reasonable to expect him to have experience in Ballroom, even though his main focus was competing in Latin?”
“Would it be reasonable to expect him to have experience in Ballroom, even though his main focus was competing in Latin?”
I would think so because I cannot imagine the BBC hiring a pro with no ballroom experience (meaning foxtrot, QS, waltz, tango, etc.). I know that Lacey Schwimmer while she was a west coast swing champion is proficient in ballroom and she was his partner. I am assuming they danced ballroom smooth as well as Latin.
Originally Posted by Lili27:
“I would think so because I cannot imagine the BBC hiring a pro with no ballroom experience (meaning foxtrot, QS, waltz, tango, etc.). I know that Lacey Schwimmer while she was a west coast swing champion is proficient in ballroom and she was his partner. I am assuming they danced ballroom smooth as well as Latin.”
“I would think so because I cannot imagine the BBC hiring a pro with no ballroom experience (meaning foxtrot, QS, waltz, tango, etc.). I know that Lacey Schwimmer while she was a west coast swing champion is proficient in ballroom and she was his partner. I am assuming they danced ballroom smooth as well as Latin.”
That was what I thought Lili.
I've just looked at his wiki page and it says
'In 1994, he competed in ballroom dancing and became a national champion...'
Question answered!
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“That was what I thought Lili.
I've just looked at his wiki page and it says
'In 1994, he competed in ballroom dancing and became a national champion...'
Question answered!”
“That was what I thought Lili.
I've just looked at his wiki page and it says
'In 1994, he competed in ballroom dancing and became a national champion...'
Question answered!
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i would hope his ballroom experience is more recent than 1994!
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