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The I can't warm to Zoe Plummer thread.
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DavetheScot
11-06-2010
Originally Posted by bel110:
“While I think a lot of how she comes across is down to editing and immaturity I do think she let herself down last night. She was very sulky and unsupportive of Arjun during the task and as far as I can remember he offered her much more support when she was PM. She def had a bee in her bonnet last night and it showed. She does need to grow up a lot in terms of becoming a good businesswoman but I think the raw material is there and I don't think she's malicious or deceitful.

I don't exactly warm to her but I don't mind her. There's a kind of vulnerability underneath her brashness too that we catch a glimpse of now and again ... I think a lot of very 'in your face' people are like that ... loud on the outside and vulnerable on the inside ....”

I think Zoe was still smarting from Arjun and Emma's criticisms of her in the boardroom, which she seemed to be very much surprised by, hence her sulky demeanour. But she wasn't that unsupportive; she made a bit of an ungracios show over doing the first pitch, but she did do it and got good feedback. She could have been better, but was probably more helpful than Emma even so.

I agree you do so glimpses of vulnerability; she is after all still a teenager.
Peter9999
11-06-2010
I admire her. She is incredibly articulate and savvy. When I was 17 I couldn't string two words together let alone deliver a brilliant sales pitch.
brangdon
12-06-2010
Originally Posted by parthy:
“I was impressed by her use of the 'autocratic' tonight. I definitely didn't know that word when I was sixteen!”

I got the impression early that she had watch previous series, and the word was used there.
marvola45
12-06-2010
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I got the impression early that she had watch previous series, and the word was used there.”

I think they all did! I definitely heard one of them start to say 'Siralun' before correcting themself in one of the first episodes.
oulandy
12-06-2010
Originally Posted by Peter9999:
“I admire her. She is incredibly articulate and savvy. When I was 17 I couldn't string two words together let alone deliver a brilliant sales pitch.”

I agree. She is fantastic and so composed for a sixteen-year-old schoolgirl. I loved when she said the name of the water was "onomatopeic".
Brilliant!
I so enjoyed watching her even though I knew they'd never let her win.
parthy
12-06-2010
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I got the impression early that she had watch previous series, and the word was used there.”

Hmmm, I don't know. She studies A-Level English so might be well read.
Tercet2
12-06-2010
Originally Posted by parthy:
“Hmmm, I don't know. She studies A-Level English so might be well read.”

I think it's fair to say, yes she's well read. Both from her chosen subjects and her background. I mean, a teenager not using txt spk? One who loves the sound of words? More common than you'd think. An arty backround will include all the arts.

I think that being well educated applied to just about all of them however. Accents aren't any guide and haven't been for say 60 years.
LaurieMarlow
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I got the impression early that she had watch previous series, and the word was used there.”

Her vocab was fricking outstanding to be fair. Time and time again she was using words that senior directors in my company wouldn't have known.
DavetheScot
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“I got the impression early that she had watch previous series, and the word was used there.”

She's mentioned in one of her interviews that she's an avid viewer of The Apprentice.
oulandy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Her vocab was fricking outstanding to be fair. Time and time again she was using words that senior directors in my company wouldn't have known.”

Indeed. More likely that people on The Apprentice increased their vocabulary from listening to Zoe than the other way round. Include Sugar in that.
Tercet2
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by DavetheScot:
“She's mentioned in one of her interviews that she's an avid viewer of The Apprentice.”

They all are. You wouldn't apply for a show you know nothing of.
Unless you're a lawyer

But to suggest that just cos someone has heard a word used on TA and that's their only exposure to it is a bit patronising.

'onomatopoeic' is a word you'd hear while discussing poetry (GCSE Eng) Also discussed on QI a while back.

'autocratic' is a word you'd find in history or politics. Or complaining about your parents, teachers, girl gang leader, etc.
Tercet2
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“Indeed. More likely that people on The Apprentice increased their vocabulary from listening to Zoe than the other way round. Include Sugar in that.”

Yeah but you'll know TA has jumped the shark when a candidate says "bunny off a scratch" as if anyone knows what that means.
(Means wot I bleeding mean it to mean)
Unigal07
13-06-2010
Zoe was incredibly annoying and a little rude at times. However I saw glimmers of brilliance and at times I liked her. She's got great potential, I wouldn't have been surprised if she'd won had she been on the winning team. She just needs to reign in that irritating superiority that she feels she has over people, and she'll be raking it in.

I hope she doesn't get too disheartened with all the horrible comments she's receiving. I feel that a lot of this series (as with all other series) has been cleverly edited to create its usual goodies and baddies. She's incredibly articulate and bright, and I'm sure she'll strive to be a success.
parthy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“'onomatopoeic' is a word you'd hear while discussing poetry (GCSE Eng)”

Yup, first thing I thought when she said it. I learned that word in English class when I was 13!
oulandy
13-06-2010
I watched the Amsterdam episode today (I had missed the original broadcast) and Zoe came out with another good one from her extensive vocabulary when she said it was the penultimate task. Nice one, Zoe!
oulandy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“Yeah but you'll know TA has jumped the shark when a candidate says "bunny off a scratch" as if anyone knows what that means.
(Means wot I bleeding mean it to mean)”

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
parthy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“I watched the Amsterdam episode today (I had missed the original broadcast) and Zoe came out with another good one from her extensive vocabulary when she said it was the penultimate task. Nice one, Zoe!”

Penultimate isn't that impressive a word, in fairness. I knew that word from a young age, and anyone with an interest in sports is likely to have known it from childhood too.
Tercet2
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by parthy:
“Yup, first thing I thought when she said it. I learned that word in English class when I was 13!”

Was the poem Jabberwocky? That's a favourite for children. For, not neccessarily of.
Tercet2
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'”

hehehe

FTW any candidate that answers some of his slang with 'Yes, Lord Humpty'
parthy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“Was the poem Jabberwocky? That's a favourite for children. For, not neccessarily of.”


No, it was around the time we were learning poems by Tennyson et al.

Don't know of this Jabberwocky myself, doesn't seem to be taught in Ireland.
Tercet2
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by parthy:
“No, it was around the time we were learning poems by Tennyson et al.

Don't know of this Jabberwocky myself, doesn't seem to be taught in Ireland. ”

I'd have thought Ireland has enough poets to get started with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky
It has a lot of made up words, but many indicate sounds or movement.
parthy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky
It has a lot of made up words, but many indicate sounds or movement.”

I think I've discovered Lady Gaga's key influence...
Peter9999
13-06-2010
It's not just the fact that Zoe knows a few long words it's her manner that is so impressive. What were you like when you were 17? Not as confident and assured as Zoe I'll wager. I certainly wasn't.
parthy
13-06-2010
Originally Posted by Peter9999:
“It's not just the fact that Zoe knows a few long words it's her manner that is so impressive. What were you like when you were 17? Not as confident and assured as Zoe I'll wager. I certainly wasn't.”

Nope, there wasn't a peep out of me. She has a confidence that most of us acquire in uni or the uni of life!
Paace
13-06-2010
Thank goodness Zoe and Tim were chosen from this 28,000, otherwise it would have been a very dull Junior Apprentice. Zoe has that star quality and put all the other contestants in the shade. I'm not too sure about the bright red lipstick in the business world.
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