O2 Scap unlimited for smartphones

psionic · 12-06-2010, 10:26

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If giffgaff use the O2 network wont this 500mb cap apply to them too ?

Free unlimited internet ends this month with Giffgaff.

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Free Mobile Internet:
You lucky giffgaff pioneers can even enjoy free UK mobile Internet up to the end of June 2010.. After that date, mobile Internet will be charged at 50p a day (if you use less than 2.5MB/day you'll pay less than 50p and if you go over 30MB you'll be charged extra at 20p/MB).

simon69c · 12-06-2010, 12:50

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Originally Posted by AxeVictim

If giffgaff use the O2 network wont this 500mb cap apply to them too ?

No - they are a separate company so just because O2 decides something to do with the tariffs they are offering does not mean that MVNO's who use O2 (even if they are owned by O2) have to do the same. The head of giffgaff had this to say about O2's decision and whether giffgaff would be following suit or not.

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Originally Posted by psionic

Free unlimited internet ends this month with Giffgaff.

No it doesn't - I did try to explain this yesterday! The Free internet promotion was a) not unlimited (there was a 100MB / day FUP), and b) was always only going to be running for months from giffgaff's launch (and in fact got extended by an extra month).

giffgaff's unlimited internet (which is truly unlimited, tethering aside) is part of their goodybag monthly bundles, and those still are and still will be unlimited - see the link above which explains a bit more. Perhaps the most important bits are these:

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So will we change the unlimited data allowance in our goodybags? The answer is we might, but not because O2 have just done so or because they are our ultimate owners. The announcement yesterday about ending unlimited iPhone data was a surprise to me and no one from O2 has called today to suggest that we should follow suit. And that’s exactly the way it should be because giffgaff was set up specifically to be able to act independently to O2...

...At the moment we don’t have any plans to change anything but at the same time we can never say never. All we can do is promise that if we do need to change anything then we’ll give our members plenty of notice, be fair and clear about the way we price our products and try to deliver the best value we can.

dan44762000 · 12-06-2010, 13:22

i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif.

i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000
and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month
and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls.

i think this is a excellent deal..
but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract..

The Geek · 12-06-2010, 16:47

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif.

i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000
and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month
and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls.

i think this is a excellent deal..
but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract..

Well it's not unlimited if they put caps on is it?

simon69c · 12-06-2010, 17:44

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif.

i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000
and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month
and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls.

i think this is a excellent deal..
but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract..

Well that £20 gets you up to 100 minutes of calls at 20p/minute (which is what Virgin charges).

On giffgaff you could be spending £10 a month on a goodybag and for that you would get 100 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data - and with giffgaff unlimited really does mean unlimited. Check them out!

dan44762000 · 13-06-2010, 11:05

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Originally Posted by The Geek

Well it's not unlimited if they put caps on is it?

what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ?
dont be so pedantic

Gormond · 13-06-2010, 11:09

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ?
dont be so pedantic

Sky Broadband for example is truly unlimited. It really annoys me when a service claims unlimited and clearly isn't.

dan44762000 · 13-06-2010, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Sky Broadband for example is truly unlimited. It really annoys me when a service claims unlimited and clearly isn't.

this is a mobile phone section...so i assumed you were talking about a mobile phone service that offers truly unlimited internet.,

munta · 13-06-2010, 11:57

Unlimited: not restricted, limited, or qualified
a cap: An upper limit; a ceiling

which ever way you look at it an unlimited service cannot have a fixed cap. OFCOM should take to task any telcom that claims to have an unlimited limited service.

heskethbang · 13-06-2010, 12:15

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Originally Posted by munta

Unlimited: not restricted, limited, or qualified
a cap: An upper limit; a ceiling

which ever way you look at it an unlimited service cannot have a fixed cap. OFCOM should take to task any telcom that claims to have an unlimited limited service.

Couldn't agree more. How companies have been allowed to get away with such absurd claims is baffling. OFCOM is a pretty toothless regulator if it fails to regulate something as basic as false claims.

simon69c · 13-06-2010, 12:15

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

this is a mobile phone section...so i assumed you were talking about a mobile phone service that offers truly unlimited internet.,

giffgaff goodybags are truly unlimited - no caps, no FUP.

psionic · 13-06-2010, 13:08

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Originally Posted by simon69c

giffgaff goodybags are truly unlimited - no caps, no FUP.

Their website should be crystal clear and it's not IMHO. Perhaps you could give them some feedback on this. While it says it's unlimited in the goody bags, lower down the page it says it's 50p per day after June. It should be stressed this charge only applies to those without unlimited internet in their goody bag and June doesn't matter and was merely a sweetener for early adopters who got internet free even without it being part of their goody bags. If I've misunderstood this I'm sure I'm not the only one.

AxeVictim · 13-06-2010, 14:30

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif.

i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000
and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month
and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls.

i think this is a excellent deal..
but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract..

The problem with Virgin and T-Mobile is they dont allow HSPDA speeds unless you pay extra.Your stuck on 3G 0.3-0.4mb speeds.

http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/discus...43e3f34700681c

TelevisionUser · 13-06-2010, 15:45

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Originally Posted by psionic

This is only for new and upgrading customers (who will still get unlimited data until 1st October as a promotion). Existing customers will have no change until the end of their contracts. That's the way I understand it anyway.

However, that does mean that a great many O2 customers will end up being caught up in this new tariff scheme by the end of 2011.

Pencil · 14-06-2010, 10:53

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ?
dont be so pedantic

Unlimited is something without limits.

1GB is a limit.

It's like saying you can buy unlimited shopping at the supermarket, capped at 2 baskets.

OR

All you can eat breakfast, capped at 3 rashes of bacon, 4 eggs, 2 sausages and 2 cups of tea.

dan44762000 · 14-06-2010, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Pencil

Unlimited is something without limits.

1GB is a limit.

It's like saying I can buy unlimited shopping at the supermarket, capped at 2 baskets.

name me a mobile phone network that offers totally unlimited internet !
go on i bet you cannot.
so blame every sinlgle one of them then !
as you obviouslly frequent these forums you know what the real meaning of the mobile networks version of unlimited means..

simon69c · 14-06-2010, 11:20

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

name me a mobile phone network that offers totally unlimited internet !
go on i bet you cannot.

giffgaff

munta · 14-06-2010, 11:27

I can't believe that anyone is defending the Telco redefinition of the word unlimited!

clonmult · 14-06-2010, 13:18

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Originally Posted by dan44762000

what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ?
dont be so pedantic

Its not a case of being pedantic in the slightest.

Unlimited, albeit with a fair usage policy, would mean that you could send tens of thousands of texts, or download gigs of data.

Its reasonable to say that 3000 texts is relatively unlimited, but 500 meg of data is very definitely *not* unlimited. A few larger podcasts, a couple of video podcasts and your limit will be totally gone.

12-06-2010, 10:26	#26
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by AxeVictim If giffgaff use the O2 network wont this 500mb cap apply to them too ? Free unlimited internet ends this month with Giffgaff. Quote: Free Mobile Internet: You lucky giffgaff pioneers can even enjoy free UK mobile Internet up to the end of June 2010.. After that date, mobile Internet will be charged at 50p a day (if you use less than 2.5MB/day you'll pay less than 50p and if you go over 30MB you'll be charged extra at 20p/MB).

12-06-2010, 12:50	#27
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by AxeVictim If giffgaff use the O2 network wont this 500mb cap apply to them too ? No - they are a separate company so just because O2 decides something to do with the tariffs they are offering does not mean that MVNO's who use O2 (even if they are owned by O2) have to do the same. The head of giffgaff had this to say about O2's decision and whether giffgaff would be following suit or not. Quote: Originally Posted by psionic Free unlimited internet ends this month with Giffgaff. No it doesn't - I did try to explain this yesterday! The Free internet promotion was a) not unlimited (there was a 100MB / day FUP), and b) was always only going to be running for months from giffgaff's launch (and in fact got extended by an extra month). giffgaff's unlimited internet (which is truly unlimited, tethering aside) is part of their goodybag monthly bundles, and those still are and still will be unlimited - see the link above which explains a bit more. Perhaps the most important bits are these: Quote: So will we change the unlimited data allowance in our goodybags? The answer is we might, but not because O2 have just done so or because they are our ultimate owners. The announcement yesterday about ending unlimited iPhone data was a surprise to me and no one from O2 has called today to suggest that we should follow suit. And that’s exactly the way it should be because giffgaff was set up specifically to be able to act independently to O2... ...At the moment we don’t have any plans to change anything but at the same time we can never say never. All we can do is promise that if we do need to change anything then we’ll give our members plenty of notice, be fair and clear about the way we price our products and try to deliver the best value we can.

12-06-2010, 13:22	#28
dan44762000 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178	i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif. i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000 and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls. i think this is a excellent deal.. but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract..

12-06-2010, 16:47	#29
The Geek Guest Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,438	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif. i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000 and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls. i think this is a excellent deal.. but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract.. Well it's not unlimited if they put caps on is it?

12-06-2010, 17:44	#30
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif. i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000 and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls. i think this is a excellent deal.. but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract.. Well that £20 gets you up to 100 minutes of calls at 20p/minute (which is what Virgin charges). On giffgaff you could be spending £10 a month on a goodybag and for that you would get 100 minutes, unlimited texts and unlimited data - and with giffgaff unlimited really does mean unlimited. Check them out!

13-06-2010, 11:05	#31
dan44762000 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178	Quote: Originally Posted by The Geek Well it's not unlimited if they put caps on is it? what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ? dont be so pedantic

13-06-2010, 11:09	#32
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ? dont be so pedantic Sky Broadband for example is truly unlimited. It really annoys me when a service claims unlimited and clearly isn't.

13-06-2010, 11:29	#33
dan44762000 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond Sky Broadband for example is truly unlimited. It really annoys me when a service claims unlimited and clearly isn't. this is a mobile phone section...so i assumed you were talking about a mobile phone service that offers truly unlimited internet.,

13-06-2010, 11:57	#34
munta Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The United Kingdom Posts: 15,551	Unlimited: not restricted, limited, or qualified a cap: An upper limit; a ceiling which ever way you look at it an unlimited service cannot have a fixed cap. OFCOM should take to task any telcom that claims to have an unlimited limited service.

13-06-2010, 12:15	#35
heskethbang Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greater Birmingham Posts: 3,906	Quote: Originally Posted by munta Unlimited: not restricted, limited, or qualified a cap: An upper limit; a ceiling which ever way you look at it an unlimited service cannot have a fixed cap. OFCOM should take to task any telcom that claims to have an unlimited limited service. Couldn't agree more. How companies have been allowed to get away with such absurd claims is baffling. OFCOM is a pretty toothless regulator if it fails to regulate something as basic as false claims.

13-06-2010, 13:08	#37
psionic Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Crystal Palace TX Posts: 19,702	Quote: Originally Posted by simon69c giffgaff goodybags are truly unlimited - no caps, no FUP. Their website should be crystal clear and it's not IMHO. Perhaps you could give them some feedback on this. While it says it's unlimited in the goody bags, lower down the page it says it's 50p per day after June. It should be stressed this charge only applies to those without unlimited internet in their goody bag and June doesn't matter and was merely a sweetener for early adopters who got internet free even without it being part of their goody bags. If I've misunderstood this I'm sure I'm not the only one.

13-06-2010, 14:30	#38
AxeVictim Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 2,644	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 i,m currently on the virgin mobile paya s you go addict tarrif. i pay £20 a month and get free unlimited texts capped at 3000 and unlimited internet capped at 1gb a month and then the £20 for making calls as i am not a big user of the mobile for calls. i think this is a excellent deal.. but no doubt nowhere near as the equivilent on a contract.. The problem with Virgin and T-Mobile is they dont allow HSPDA speeds unless you pay extra.Your stuck on 3G 0.3-0.4mb speeds. http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/discus...43e3f34700681c

13-06-2010, 15:45	#39
TelevisionUser Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Storbritannia Posts: 28,930	Quote: Originally Posted by psionic This is only for new and upgrading customers (who will still get unlimited data until 1st October as a promotion). Existing customers will have no change until the end of their contracts. That's the way I understand it anyway. However, that does mean that a great many O2 customers will end up being caught up in this new tariff scheme by the end of 2011.

14-06-2010, 10:53	#40
Pencil Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,252	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ? dont be so pedantic Unlimited is something without limits. 1GB is a limit. It's like saying you can buy unlimited shopping at the supermarket, capped at 2 baskets. OR All you can eat breakfast, capped at 3 rashes of bacon, 4 eggs, 2 sausages and 2 cups of tea.

14-06-2010, 10:58	#41
dan44762000 Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,178	Quote: Originally Posted by Pencil Unlimited is something without limits. 1GB is a limit. It's like saying I can buy unlimited shopping at the supermarket, capped at 2 baskets. name me a mobile phone network that offers totally unlimited internet ! go on i bet you cannot. so blame every sinlgle one of them then ! as you obviouslly frequent these forums you know what the real meaning of the mobile networks version of unlimited means..

14-06-2010, 11:20	#42
simon69c Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,415	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 name me a mobile phone network that offers totally unlimited internet ! go on i bet you cannot. giffgaff

14-06-2010, 11:27	#43
munta Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The United Kingdom Posts: 15,551	I can't believe that anyone is defending the Telco redefinition of the word unlimited!

14-06-2010, 13:18	#44
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by dan44762000 what is truely unlimited mate ? ? ? dont be so pedantic Its not a case of being pedantic in the slightest. Unlimited, albeit with a fair usage policy, would mean that you could send tens of thousands of texts, or download gigs of data. Its reasonable to say that 3000 texts is relatively unlimited, but 500 meg of data is very definitely not unlimited. A few larger podcasts, a couple of video podcasts and your limit will be totally gone.

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