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Old 16-06-2010, 17:07
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Bionic is one of my favourite tracks on the album, WooHoo doesn't do anything for me. I think it's boring. I think if she is going to release a ballad it should be I Am or You Lost Me.

I particularly agree with your last point. I am a fan but it pisses me off that she takes so long between album sand expects the album to sell with no promo. She's a popstar at the end of the day. It feels as if she's doing half a job by not doing promo.
Bionic is my favourite uptempo and should have been the first single. I think I Am is very inspirational and therefore would make an excellent single choice.

Exactly. I am a big Christina fan and it annoys me that she and her team are so arrogant about her career. She's only had two big selling albums, which were over 7 years ago. Back to Basics sold off the back of those and she hasn't had a big hit since. Releasing a Dirrty rehash as her big comeback single is not going to do her any favours.

I'll probably get called a troll and a Gaga stan, but hey. That's life.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:09
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A) no they won't abandon the campaign. RCA have already lined up Prima Donna and You Lost Me as the next singles.

B) a good source who has never been wrong on AfterLD has said Burlesque isn't getting any single releases so apart from the soundtrack which Christina only has four songs on. That has nothing to do with her music.

C) Beautiful her last worldwide hit? WTF!!! Fighter reached the top ten in 8 countries and Can't Hold Us Down in 10. This was after the album had already sold nearly 3 million! The Voice Within also reached the top 10 in 10 countries also.

Ain't No Other Man reached the top 10 in 17 countries and Hurt in 18!! so what are you talking about Beautiful being her last big hit?

Honestly perhaps XTina fans wouldn't be so full on if people got their facts right in regards to her career.
do you know how many songs cher got on the soundtrack? i miss her

and i didnt realise hurt did that well her worst song
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:09
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A) no they won't abandon the campaign. RCA have already lined up Prima Donna and You Lost Me as the next singles.

B) a good source who has never been wrong on AfterLD has said Burlesque isn't getting any single releases so apart from the soundtrack which Christina only has four songs on. That has nothing to do with her music.

C) Beautiful her last worldwide hit? WTF!!! Fighter reached the top ten in 8 countries and Can't Hold Us Down in 10. This was after the album had already sold nearly 3 million! The Voice Within also reached the top 10 in 10 countries also.

Ain't No Other Man reached the top 10 in 17 countries and Hurt in 18!! so what are you talking about Beautiful being her last big hit?

Honestly perhaps XTina fans wouldn't be so full on if people got their facts right in regards to her career.
Okay fair enough, I didn't know about the first two points. Prima Donna won't help this campaign at all (it's one of my favourites though).

I said her last SMASH hit was Beautiful. She's had big hits but the songs people will remember when they think of her will be songs like Dirrty, Beautiful and Genie in a Bottle.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:12
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A) no they won't abandon the campaign. RCA have already lined up Prima Donna and You Lost Me as the next singles.

B) a good source who has never been wrong on AfterLD has said Burlesque isn't getting any single releases so apart from the soundtrack which Christina only has four songs on. That has nothing to do with her music.

C) Beautiful her last worldwide hit? WTF!!! Fighter reached the top ten in 8 countries and Can't Hold Us Down in 10. This was after the album had already sold nearly 3 million! The Voice Within also reached the top 10 in 10 countries also.

Ain't No Other Man reached the top 10 in 17 countries and Hurt in 18!! so what are you talking about Beautiful being her last big hit?

Honestly perhaps XTina fans wouldn't be so full on if people got their facts right in regards to her career.
If those are the next singles, then why the hell aren't they getting it out there asap? Instead they sit there and watch the album plummet. Shame RCA messed up this era for her. I really can't see this selling over 2 million worldwide now.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:20
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Her album won't t stick around for long. I think it's going to be a flop for her standards.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:36
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2 Million world wide ? hell, if she manges to sell that much no one has a right to call Bionic a flop then. I think hitting 1 million will be a struggle as she is likely to open with below 200K globally. That's less than any relevant pop artist in recent years.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:39
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2 Million world wide ? hell, if she manges to sell that much no one has a right to call Bionic a flop then. I think hitting 1 million will be a struggle as she is likely to open with below 200K globally. That's less than any relevant pop artist in recent years.
but its a style that is going to become the norm for future years. i dont know if you know this but for the past three weeks all the world charts have recorded their lowest ever sales for albums. last week in america was the worst in their history. this week in the uk was the worst since 2002.

so you just need to get used to artist selling less. download leaks have meant people dont need to buy anymore.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:44
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but its a style that is going to become the norm for future years. i dont know if you know this but for the past three weeks all the world charts have recorded their lowest ever sales for albums. last week in america was the worst in their history. this week in the uk was the worst since 2002.

so you just need to get used to artist selling less. download leaks have meant people dont need to buy anymore.

Well Drake is predicted to sell between 425K and 475K with his album and he had two top 20 hits prior to the album release. I think this situation was more to the fact that NMT was a flop and killed momentum for Bionic.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:47
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Well Drake is predicted to sell between 425K and 475K with his album and he had two top 20 hits prior to the album release. I think this situation was more to the fact that NMT was a flop and killed momentum for Bionic.
but christina was predicted to sell 250k! so i dont think predictions work at the moment. not when all the markets are recording their worst ever sales.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:53
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but christina was predicted to sell 250k! so i dont think predictions work at the moment. not when all the markets are recording their worst ever sales.
When was she ever predicted to sell that? In the US or Worldwide?
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:53
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but its a style that is going to become the norm for future years. i dont know if you know this but for the past three weeks all the world charts have recorded their lowest ever sales for albums. last week in america was the worst in their history. this week in the uk was the worst since 2002.

so you just need to get used to artist selling less. download leaks have meant people dont need to buy anymore.
I can't completely agree with this, it's more due to lack of releases from major, relevant artists than anything. Leaks and piracy are definitely having a negative effect on the industry I can agree with that. Physical album and single sales are shrinking that's true while digital singles and album sales are growing and major, relevant artists can still sell solid amounts of albums.

And actually from what I can see album sales in the UK dropped only 2% so far compared to last year.

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index...owtopic=113078

Musicindustry will be around it's just that its business model is changing.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:56
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Well Drake is predicted to sell between 425K and 475K with his album and he had two top 20 hits prior to the album release. I think this situation was more to the fact that NMT was a flop and killed momentum for Bionic.
well that proves the point I was just making in my previous post. Relevant artists can still sell large amount of albums if their material captures the interest of the public.
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Old 16-06-2010, 17:58
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When was she ever predicted to sell that? In the US or Worldwide?
it was her projection for the usa! thats why her american sales are so shockingly bad.


I can't completely agree with this, it's more due to lack of releases from major, relevant artists than anything. Leaks and piracy are definitely having a negative effect on the industry I can agree with that. Physical album and single sales are shrinking that's true while digital singles and album sales are growing and major, relevant artists can still sell solid amounts of albums.

And actually from what I can see album sales in the UK dropped only 2% so far compared to last year.

http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index...owtopic=113078

Musicindustry will be around it's just that its business model is changing.
but christina is relevent. she should be selling 100k on name alone. not 25k.

mark my words this is the only the start of it. you only have to look at how many artists have dropped from #1's this year by huge amounts. its not just christina. i think usher's omg is the only one that has stayed somewhat stable. christina's drop has just been the biggest name to have it happen to thats all.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:06
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well that proves the point I was just making in my previous post. Relevant artists can still sell large amount of albums if their material captures the interest of the public.
Yep. As I said earlier Drake has two singles from the new album that went top 20, Over and Find Your Love. When that happened I already knew he would pull in large numbers. Plus there was already hype from the album. When NMT flopped they should have sent another single out before the album release imo. This is supposed to be her huge comeback and it's not working so far.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:06
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Absolutely, Christina IS relevant and I have no doubts she will be fine and hopefully back with a solid album next time around. She just needs to get back to what she does best....singing and stop pretending she is iconic and legendary. She needs to work on her attitude as well, stop being so patronizing towards fellow female artists. I think the Bionic era is a great lesson for her, a nice big slice of humble pie.

I liked Christina's debut and Stripped but Back 2 Basics and Bionic are pure &$*@.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:09
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but christina was predicted to sell 250k! so i dont think predictions work at the moment. not when all the markets are recording their worst ever sales.
You don't know what you're talking about.

The prediction for Drake is the HDD/Billboard prediction, which is based on first day sales.

Christina's HDD/Billboard prediction was 110-125k and she opened with 111k.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:10
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You don't know what you're talking about.

The prediction is the HDD/Billboard prediction, which is based on first day sales.

Christina's HDD/Billboard prediction was 110-125k and she opened with 111k.
i do know what i'm talking about. it was posted on here by a fellow user who is reliable.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:12
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i do know what i'm talking about. it was posted on here by a fellow user who is reliable.
Well your reliable user was wrong.

I'm telling you stone cold facts.

Christina's HDD/Billboard prediction was 110-125k.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:14
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I liked Christina's debut and Stripped but Back 2 Basics and Bionic are pure &$*@.
I think Bionic holds some great work. I'm really pleased she found Sia for example. I think what went wrong is NMT being first single, the video just because its dire and the overly sexual nature she has been giving off.

I suspect RCA and her Management have urgent meetings on the cards but they can still save this era. Back To Basics sold less than they hoped for, although still performed well, so they released Hurt to sell the album, Hurt, as already posted, went top 10 in 18 nations. I think any of the ballads on Bionic could easily match that. imho. But they need to be acting NOW.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:25
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I think the ballads are solid, very solid, as always with Christina. The problem is the pop world is not embracing ballads at this time,right now it all seems to be about fun uptempo songs, they knew this and I suspect that's why NMT was chosen as the lead single. The problem is that it's devoid of a well flowing melody and any sort of a memorable hook. It just sounds dated.

I think A&R is a major, major problem at the RCA Music Group, very hit or miss, she is not the only RMG artist in recent history to underperform due to imo extrememly poor A&R and decision making. I can see major changes happening there if this continues.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:47
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Her performance on the Haiti Special was amazing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmUzh2wKZMs
Truly stunning. The ballads on Bionic are pretty good.
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Old 16-06-2010, 18:55
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Christina was projected 120-125k, HDD! That was quoted by many sources!

HDD are never 100k out on estimates, lmao! The highest they have been out in the last 5 years is just under 7,000!
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Old 16-06-2010, 19:00
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Christina was projected 120-125k, HDD! That was quoted by many sources!

HDD are never 100k out on estimates, lmao! The highest they have been out in the last 5 years is just under 7,000!
Again you aren't giving off the impression you are a fan. It's almost gloating.
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Old 16-06-2010, 19:38
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Again you aren't giving off the impression you are a fan. It's almost gloating.
Why are people spread misinformation then?!

The figures are crap but that doesn't mean to say her next album won't be a hit!
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Old 16-06-2010, 20:31
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I think the most frustrating thing about this era is that there just doesn't seem to be anything happening!

She's obviously unaware that singing the National Anthem and appearing on various morning shows doesn't equal album sales. The people who are going to buy her music want singles. She's got herself back out there, people know she's back...they're just waiting for her to properly grab their attention with a great single/video.

Christina really needs to be more in touch with her fanbase, to let us know what's going on.

Although she wouldn't, I think using Twitter - or at least having one that is used by her team like Britney - would be a good idea. Gaga is probably the only pop princess that actually uses the internet to her benefit. She can promote/deny/link/comment on anything at a click of a button, connecting to her fans and to the media.

I think one of the best things about Christina is also her downfall - she's too old school artist in method. She disappears for years to 'create', she has no interest in being a tabloid celebrity, and she likes to only focus on her music. That, doesn't really work these days. The 'big' artists are the ones who never leave the spotlight, not the ones who necessarily have the best material.

She's always going to seem like the outsider if she just turns up every few years, drops an album with a few singles and then disappears again...whilst the others take a yearish between albums but are nearly constantly in the public eye.
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