The audience figures who missed the goal seemed quite misleading when anyone watching via a pub was likely to be watching the HD stream.
ITV miss another goal (merged)
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Originally Posted by Guiri96:
“Is this in HD tonight? No delay at all between SD and HD”
“Is this in HD tonight? No delay at all between SD and HD”
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“If you need to look at the delay to determine whether or not something is in HD, you need to check you TV. Or get your eyes tested.”
“If you need to look at the delay to determine whether or not something is in HD, you need to check you TV. Or get your eyes tested.”
Perhaps they were suggesting whatever 'additional equipment' responsible for the delay and perhaps the breakdown yesterday has been removed and is no longer causing the aforementioned delay...?
The delay would therefore now appear conspicuous in it's absence
Just a thought..
Originally Posted by Mark.:
“If you need to look at the delay to determine whether or not something is in HD, you need to check you TV. Or get your eyes tested.”
“If you need to look at the delay to determine whether or not something is in HD, you need to check you TV. Or get your eyes tested.”
Thanks for such an eloquent response.
I'm not a techie, but thought there was always a delay.
It seems to be, so maybe they're delaying the SD pictures (for whatever reason).
Originally Posted by coolguy121:
“WTF has anyone dying got to do with anything..?”
“WTF has anyone dying got to do with anything..?”
Because I knew something like this would be posted...
Originally Posted by TheWayItIs:
“Someone left the door unlocked at the Muswell Hill branch of Barclays Bank, a while back.
Nobody died, but they did get the sack.”
“Someone left the door unlocked at the Muswell Hill branch of Barclays Bank, a while back.
Nobody died, but they did get the sack.”
...the fact remains, a mistake was made, but really, in the grand scheme of it, it's a mistake that could have happened at any time, but because a goal was missed, we get a 49+ [age thread about it.
I'm not an apologist for ITV. If a break in transmission had occured to the BBC, Channel 4, Five, Sky or whoever, I would make the same point.
What good is sacking someone who made an error going to do?
Originally Posted by franchise:
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What good is sacking someone who made an error going to do?”
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What good is sacking someone who made an error going to do?”
Well it would ensure that they don't make the same major mistake again.
Originally Posted by TheWayItIs:
“Amazing number of ITV apologists on here.”
“Amazing number of ITV apologists on here.”
Maybe because we actually work in the industry and don't wear BBC blinkers all the time. Equipment failure happens, get over it. Just like the BBC falling off air this afternoon. It just so happened that it was during half-time not the game. Have the BBC apologised for it, probably not.
As i said in a previous post, both broadcasters are free to you and both are doing excellent work, with both crews in South Africa working night & day to bring you great pictures.
Stop moaning and enjoy the football. If you don't like it switch your TV off.
Originally Posted by franchise:
“Because I knew something like this would be posted...”
“Because I knew something like this would be posted...”
You should write horoscopes or something, seriously, you're wasted here
Originally Posted by franchise:
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...the fact remains, a mistake was made, but really, in the grand scheme of it, it's a mistake that could have happened at any time, but because a goal was missed, we get a 49+ [age thread about it.
I'm not an apologist for ITV. If a break in transmission had occured to the BBC, Channel 4, Five, Sky or whoever, I would make the same point.
What good is sacking someone who made an error going to do?”
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...the fact remains, a mistake was made, but really, in the grand scheme of it, it's a mistake that could have happened at any time, but because a goal was missed, we get a 49+ [age thread about it.
I'm not an apologist for ITV. If a break in transmission had occured to the BBC, Channel 4, Five, Sky or whoever, I would make the same point.
What good is sacking someone who made an error going to do?”
Nothing, but that doesn't mean people don't want to see someone take a slap for it
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“Maybe because we actually work in the industry and don't wear BBC blinkers all the time. Equipment failure happens, get over it.”
“Maybe because we actually work in the industry and don't wear BBC blinkers all the time. Equipment failure happens, get over it.”
Except ITV confirmed last night it was 'human error'...
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“Maybe because we actually work in the industry and don't wear BBC blinkers all the time. Equipment failure happens, get over it. Just like the BBC falling off air this afternoon. It just so happened that it was during half-time not the game. Have the BBC apologised for it, probably not.
As i said in a previous post, both broadcasters are free to you and both are doing excellent work, with both crews in South Africa working night & day to bring you great pictures.
Stop moaning and enjoy the football. If you don't like it switch your TV off.”
“Maybe because we actually work in the industry and don't wear BBC blinkers all the time. Equipment failure happens, get over it. Just like the BBC falling off air this afternoon. It just so happened that it was during half-time not the game. Have the BBC apologised for it, probably not.
As i said in a previous post, both broadcasters are free to you and both are doing excellent work, with both crews in South Africa working night & day to bring you great pictures.
Stop moaning and enjoy the football. If you don't like it switch your TV off.”
Well what do you reckon would affect viewers enjoyment of a sporting event more: an omission during half-time or an omission of a goal being scored?
Hardly doing excellent work if the goal is replaced by an advert is it.
Supposedly we're not allowed to be dismayed by such a bodge-up and just put it down to 'one of those things'.....
Nothing to complain about tonight though just going to sit down with a nice cup of tea.Right in time to watch a very funny man James Corden what a way to finish a match.Beats those silly high lights programmes on t other side
just going to sit down with a nice cup of tea.Right in time to watch a very funny man James Corden what a way to finish a match.Beats those silly high lights programmes on t other side
Originally Posted by tedjrr:
“Adrian, I see where you're coming from, but none of this is really true. ITV weren't reluctant on colour, it was simply that their economics played differently then the BBC's. ITV had to adopt colour/625, their franchises mandated it and as their audiences adopted it, there was a clear commercial imperative. However the incremental economics were that for every new colour installation the BBC gained a higher licence contribution; ITV just had to absorb the cost over the life of the franchise.”
“Adrian, I see where you're coming from, but none of this is really true. ITV weren't reluctant on colour, it was simply that their economics played differently then the BBC's. ITV had to adopt colour/625, their franchises mandated it and as their audiences adopted it, there was a clear commercial imperative. However the incremental economics were that for every new colour installation the BBC gained a higher licence contribution; ITV just had to absorb the cost over the life of the franchise.”
. . and I quote "As late as 1965, ITV were lobbying heavily for the adoption of 405 line NTSC Colour. It would have made a lot of commercial sense." from sptv.
http://www.sptv.demon.co.uk/405colour/
Originally Posted by TheWayItIs:
“Well what do you reckon would affect viewers enjoyment of a sporting event more: an omission during half-time or an omission of a goal being scored?
Hardly doing excellent work if the goal is replaced by an advert is it.
Supposedly we're not allowed to be dismayed by such a bodge-up and just put it down to 'one of those things'.....”
“Well what do you reckon would affect viewers enjoyment of a sporting event more: an omission during half-time or an omission of a goal being scored?
Hardly doing excellent work if the goal is replaced by an advert is it.
Supposedly we're not allowed to be dismayed by such a bodge-up and just put it down to 'one of those things'.....”
But both were technical problems, ITV were just unbelievable unlucky with the timing. If the BBC had problems which stopped a goal going in there wouldn't be such an outcry.
Of course you can be dismayed and trust me no-one is more dismayed than the ITV Sport crew in South Africa who have worked for 2 years solid to make sure you get the best coverage - for free!.
Both ITV Sport & BBC Sport are doing an excellent job in South Africa. ITV Sport have been technically flawless so far whereas the BBC have had some small problems, it's the nature of the beast in live broadcasting.
Some of the comments on here have been ridiculously over the top and people need to get some perspective.
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“SD & HD have two completely different transmission paths, therefore two different sets of equipment. The advert breaks are automated. The HD automation equipment failed. The SD equipment was fine. The SD feed was up-converted to the HD path. No-one pushed any buttons they shouldn't have. End of story.
Unlucky, hugely. Incompetent, no.”
“SD & HD have two completely different transmission paths, therefore two different sets of equipment. The advert breaks are automated. The HD automation equipment failed. The SD equipment was fine. The SD feed was up-converted to the HD path. No-one pushed any buttons they shouldn't have. End of story.
Unlucky, hugely. Incompetent, no.”
In a live programme such as this the advert breaks are played out manually - hence the need for those rather large cue dots.
ITV have said the cause was "human error". In my book that counts as - incompetent, yes.
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“But both were technical problems, ITV were just unbelievable unlucky with the timing. If the BBC had problems which stopped a goal going in there wouldn't be such an outcry.
Of course you can be dismayed and trust me no-one is more dismayed than the ITV Sport crew in South Africa who have worked for 2 years solid to make sure you get the best coverage - for free!.
Both ITV Sport & BBC Sport are doing an excellent job in South Africa. ITV Sport have been technically flawless so far whereas the BBC have had some small problems, it's the nature of the beast in live broadcasting.
Some of the comments on here have been ridiculously over the top and people need to get some perspective.”
“But both were technical problems, ITV were just unbelievable unlucky with the timing. If the BBC had problems which stopped a goal going in there wouldn't be such an outcry.
Of course you can be dismayed and trust me no-one is more dismayed than the ITV Sport crew in South Africa who have worked for 2 years solid to make sure you get the best coverage - for free!.
Both ITV Sport & BBC Sport are doing an excellent job in South Africa. ITV Sport have been technically flawless so far whereas the BBC have had some small problems, it's the nature of the beast in live broadcasting.
Some of the comments on here have been ridiculously over the top and people need to get some perspective.”
I fail to see how the outcry would not have been so vociferous had the missed goal incident occurred during a live BBC broadcast.
There would be equal protests along the lines of 'I pay my TV licence for this...' etc.
ITV are receiving a greater blast of discontent because it's the second time in the past year or so that they've missed coverage of a live goal.
Also, being 'technically flawless' would hardly result in an advert replacing goal coverage, would it.
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“But both were technical problems, ITV were just unbelievable unlucky with the timing. If the BBC had problems which stopped a goal going in there wouldn't be such an outcry.
Of course you can be dismayed and trust me no-one is more dismayed than the ITV Sport crew in South Africa who have worked for 2 years solid to make sure you get the best coverage - for free!.
Both ITV Sport & BBC Sport are doing an excellent job in South Africa. ITV Sport have been technically flawless so far whereas the BBC have had some small problems, it's the nature of the beast in live broadcasting.
Some of the comments on here have been ridiculously over the top and people need to get some perspective.”
“But both were technical problems, ITV were just unbelievable unlucky with the timing. If the BBC had problems which stopped a goal going in there wouldn't be such an outcry.
Of course you can be dismayed and trust me no-one is more dismayed than the ITV Sport crew in South Africa who have worked for 2 years solid to make sure you get the best coverage - for free!.
Both ITV Sport & BBC Sport are doing an excellent job in South Africa. ITV Sport have been technically flawless so far whereas the BBC have had some small problems, it's the nature of the beast in live broadcasting.
Some of the comments on here have been ridiculously over the top and people need to get some perspective.”
It was you who accidentally pressed the button last night, wasn't it.
Come on, own up like Robert Green did.
Originally Posted by TheWayItIs:
“I fail to see how the outcry would not have been so vociferous had the missed goal incident occurred during a live BBC broadcast.”
“I fail to see how the outcry would not have been so vociferous had the missed goal incident occurred during a live BBC broadcast.”
With all the anti-BBC venom on this forum, I think it would be a million times worse!
Originally Posted by TheWayItIs:
“Also, being 'technically flawless' would hardly result in an advert replacing goal coverage, would it.”
“Also, being 'technically flawless' would hardly result in an advert replacing goal coverage, would it.”
You're misunderstanding my post. I said ITV Sport have been technically flawless. Obviously, the ITV network f***ed beyond belief but that has nothing to do with the production output coming from the ITV Sport crew in South Africa.
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“It was you who accidentally pressed the button last night, wasn't it.
Come on, own up like Robert Green did.”
“It was you who accidentally pressed the button last night, wasn't it.
Come on, own up like Robert Green did.”
Hi, my name is Dave Smith and i'm the phantom button pusher of ITV. I've been clean now for 26 hours
Originally Posted by HGWell:
“You're misunderstanding my post. I said ITV Sport have been technically flawless. Obviously, the ITV network f***ed beyond belief but that has nothing to do with the production output coming from the ITV Sport crew in South Africa.”
“You're misunderstanding my post. I said ITV Sport have been technically flawless. Obviously, the ITV network f***ed beyond belief but that has nothing to do with the production output coming from the ITV Sport crew in South Africa.”
I see what you mean.
It was a massive cock-up by the ITV Network.
ITV's own News actually just reported this and showed the video of it, and they said 1 and a half million people missed the goal?! and it's human error on their provider Technicolour's studio?
I watched it on ITV1HD myself, but didn't know so many people had access to the HD channel, it's great to see HD finally becoming mass market, but ITV seriously need to buckle up and stop these gaffs.
I watched it on ITV1HD myself, but didn't know so many people had access to the HD channel, it's great to see HD finally becoming mass market, but ITV seriously need to buckle up and stop these gaffs.
Originally Posted by jaychristie909:
“There are lots of people who consider it as an 'advert' because they don't know the term 'sponsor sting' exists.”
“There are lots of people who consider it as an 'advert' because they don't know the term 'sponsor sting' exists.”
The saying "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......" comes to mind.
Originally Posted by No1_Dave:
“ITV's own News actually just reported this and showed the video of it, and they said 1 and a half million people missed the goal?! and it's human error on their provider Technicolour's studio?
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“ITV's own News actually just reported this and showed the video of it, and they said 1 and a half million people missed the goal?! and it's human error on their provider Technicolour's studio?
”
Fair enough, i was wrong in my previous post.
Originally Posted by franchise:
“So if a human makes one mistake, from which NO BODY DIED”
“So if a human makes one mistake, from which NO BODY DIED”
I'm still trying to decide if this was an intentional reference to The Day Today or not. If it was then it's genius
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/830757-...ar-ad-own-goal
Quote:
“They said the mistake was being investigated at the highest level but blamed ‘human error’ for about 1.5million people missing Steven Gerrard’s fourth-minute strike.
Instead of seeing the England captain score, viewers were left watching an advert for a car.
Message boards and Twitter were bombarded with comments from angry fans lambasting ITV’s ‘amat*eurish and laughable’ service.
Thousands of fans have splashed out on new hi-tech TVs to take advantage of watching the tournament in high definition.
ITV chairman Sir Michael Grade added his apologies for the ‘inexcusable glitch’. Richard Cross, ITV’s technology head, also said sorry for the mistake and explained he had met transmission provider Technicolor to ensure ‘it takes the appropriate action with immediate effect’.
For their part, Technicolor said it ‘deeply regretted’ the incident.
Suzanne Munton, Technicolor’s commercial director, added: ‘Inves*tigations are continuing as a matter of the utmost urgency in order to ensure that the issues are addressed with immediate effect.’
ITV said 20.1million tuned into the game, its highest viewing figures for four years, with audience share peaking at 73 per cent. One Twitter poster wrote: ‘ITV missed England’s goal because it was playing an advert. A joke and embarrassment quite frankly.’ Another added: ‘ITV HD is a joke. First England goal of the World Cup, and there was a Hyundai advert.’”
“They said the mistake was being investigated at the highest level but blamed ‘human error’ for about 1.5million people missing Steven Gerrard’s fourth-minute strike.
Instead of seeing the England captain score, viewers were left watching an advert for a car.
Message boards and Twitter were bombarded with comments from angry fans lambasting ITV’s ‘amat*eurish and laughable’ service.
Thousands of fans have splashed out on new hi-tech TVs to take advantage of watching the tournament in high definition.
ITV chairman Sir Michael Grade added his apologies for the ‘inexcusable glitch’. Richard Cross, ITV’s technology head, also said sorry for the mistake and explained he had met transmission provider Technicolor to ensure ‘it takes the appropriate action with immediate effect’.
For their part, Technicolor said it ‘deeply regretted’ the incident.
Suzanne Munton, Technicolor’s commercial director, added: ‘Inves*tigations are continuing as a matter of the utmost urgency in order to ensure that the issues are addressed with immediate effect.’
ITV said 20.1million tuned into the game, its highest viewing figures for four years, with audience share peaking at 73 per cent. One Twitter poster wrote: ‘ITV missed England’s goal because it was playing an advert. A joke and embarrassment quite frankly.’ Another added: ‘ITV HD is a joke. First England goal of the World Cup, and there was a Hyundai advert.’”
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