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Eccleston talks Doctor Who.
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crazzyaz7
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by DS9:
“DW has 10-hour working days. American dramas have 18-hour working days. Even something like Quantum Leap, which had Scott Bakula in 99% of scenes, did 18-hour days, 6 days a week for 9 months of the year. Eccleston wants to talk to Bakula if he thinks DW was hard work.”


Chances are that with the amount of money put into American shows, they probably had less other teething problems....and were probably able to support their team....

Originally Posted by performingmonk:
“Series 1 was all over the place in terms of schedule. The first block, in particular, was supposed to be insane and director Keith Boak obviously wasn't getting it sorted because there were apparently bust-ups and he wasn't asked back.

Because they were working Chris and Billie into the ground they shot 'The Long Game' as one block on it's own, and cut down the number of scenes Rose and the Doctor were in, so as to give them a break. Chris was ill mid-series as well, which can't have helped. It's in 'Father's Day' where he was ill.

Like he said, he could have just gone on, but why when he wasn't happy? Who knows, he may have read a couple of scripts for series 2 and thought 'sod this'. He was lucky that RTD's scripts for series 1 were solid, as well as the brilliant 'Father's Day' written by Cornell and Moffat's 'The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances'.”

In all fairness.....what is solid and isn't solid down to opinion....if he didn't run when reading the not-so-fan favourites as aliens of London, End of the World, and Long Game....was series 2 any worse? I doubt the other usually hated scripts like Love and Monsters was even ready....New Earth would have been very different if we didn't have a new Doctor, we wouldn't have got TCI, so that leaves early scripts like Tooth and Claw, School Reunion, and the Girl in the Fireplace, which was apparently wriiten by the Moff for CE.....so if he ran from fan favourites, well then it just shows he has his own opinion
BuddyBontheNet
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“Sorry I didn't mean to sound rude or anything, I apologise. I know you meant "suspect"....but I just felt that in my opinion he was serious and all that but he was still fun to work with, Bille really enjoyed his company, so did the directors, like I said of Lyn, and RTD still talks highly of him....the no fun comment has really only come out of what John supposedly said...and people often seem to take his serieous and quieter nature as someone who doesn't look like fun....for all we know he could have easily been got down by all that was going on....even RTD admitted to be under a lot of stress during serious one, so in the end no matter how fun a person is....things can get you down, no matter how much you love the job....if we take DT's example again, you can hear the annoyance in his voice in his dairy when the episode 42 basically creeps up on them last minute...and this is the man that everyone thinks did nothing but smile throughout his four years....so even if you are enjoying the job, it isn't fun 24 hours, like i said of my example, i love my job, but since last year it hasn't been fun....things don't look positive...there is only so much some of us can take.”

No need to apologise I did understand what you meant.

It is a shame that he should speak out now, but not be specific enough for us to know what he is actually talking about!
Servalan
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“As for not being a long series before, his big break on TV was in Our Friends in the North which was a 9 weeks series.”

True - but he was one of four leads, his character didn't drive the story and he wouldn't be required on set for anything like as much time.

Also, OFITN was written by Peter Flannery years before it got screened, so the last minute re-writes were minimal, and didn't involve any of the CGI/VFX that DW does - none of which the new production team were very experienced in when the show returned.

The chaos of the initial shoot - well-documented - are almost certainly what got CE's back up. It's very common to hear actors complain about lack of rehearsal time now (read-throughs are often not held on series' episodes, purely because of lack of time) - and I bet CE didn't cope with that well.

He's lucky he can put his principles above his income and walk away from a job that must have paid well. Many others can't and don't.
BuddyBontheNet
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“True - but he was one of four leads, his character didn't drive the story and he wouldn't be required on set for anything like as much time.

Also, OFITN was written by Peter Flannery years before it got screened, so the last minute re-writes were minimal, and didn't involve any of the CGI/VFX that DW does - none of which the new production team were very experienced in when the show returned.

The chaos of the initial shoot - well-documented - are almost certainly what got CE's back up. It's very common to hear actors complain about lack of rehearsal time now (read-throughs are often not held on series' episodes, purely because of lack of time) - and I bet CE didn't cope with that well.

He's lucky he can put his principles above his income and walk away from a job that must have paid well. Many others can't and don't.”

Hiya! I think you could be spot on with the CGI stuff, etc. I never thought of that. Another point about OFITN is that it probably helped that his fellow leads were all of a similar age and experience (maybe Gina McKee had done a bit more).

Maybe he's got enough money by now and not looking to be very wealthy.
duryea
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“No, but that wasn't exactly his fault! He was very good and I thought he would be a permanent character. I was truly shocked at what happened - didn't see it coming at all.”

He wanted to leave and said he'd only come back for the next series if they killed his character off.

He's known for not staying long in any one role and I actually admire his guts for doing that.

The way he said the cast and crew were working in a difficult situation makes me think it's more a case of the pressures of the money men coming into play. IMO.
Blue Aardvark
15-06-2010
"didn't enjoy the environment and the culture" ?

"own man" ?

"blind myself to certain things I thought were wrong" ?

Sounds like a coded way of politely saying he didn't respect the show runners. Now there's been a changing of the guard he can speak about it. Obliquely. Although, it appears he dislikes these long running network serials in general, having spurned Heroes after a brief guest stint, despite being integral to its best episode. Seems proud of his character work, just not the artistic vision or the production ethic.
broadshoulder
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“No, that has been more or less exaggerated.....JB and CE were just different personalities...and he had more in common with DT.....but to say that it wasn't fun on set, well if you watch Billie's video diaries....John seems to be having fun....and so does CE with the cast and crew....
The rest of the atmosphere would have changed because they wouldn't have had as many problems as series 1 did, nothing to do with Chris....if you read Euros Lyn's interview, he had high respect for the professionalism that CE showed on set in a DWM magazine about the EOT....so that just goes to show how most remember him fondly, so does RTD....”

No director or writer was going to slag off Who while working for the BBC. He wants to work and RTD had mucho clout.

Regarding Billie, she has actually gone on record saying she got on more with DT the CE.

RTD would praise CE. He praises everything. He praises the Moffat series. He also lies. He has lied about the "only one year" contract.

More and jmore is coming out as time goes on and it all seems to be pointing in one direction - towards one man.
crazzyaz7
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“No director or writer was going to slag off Who while working for the BBC. He wants to work and RTD had mucho clout.

Regarding Billie, she has actually gone on record saying she got on more with DT the CE.

RTD would praise CE. He praises everything. He praises the Moffat series. He also lies. He has lied about the "only one year" contract.

More and jmore is coming out as time goes on and it all seems to be pointing in one direction - towards one man.”

Considering that you don't like him, that is the first thought that would enter your head....

This isn't the first time Chris has said that he didn't enjoy working on the show....in fact it is avaible on the Doctor interviews archieve CD that the BBC released with all the different interviews sinece the show started put togther...so technichally he isn't saying anything new, so it has nothing to do with the fact that he can say it now because RTD has gone....but that would please you I'm sure....

As for RTD yes he does lie, but that was to promote the show....and hide spoilers...for example like saying he isn't going to bring the Master back because basically that was the plan to do so next series...and technically Chris did have a year contract...it could have gone either way...so its no lie again! And the fact that RTD doesn't hold back his slagging of most people in the writer's tale, and even admits to times when he has had a go at Julie or Phil....why would not hold back on saying what he thinks about Chris? After all when sending those emails, he had no idea that it was going to be a book at fitrst and that every word in the email and texts will be put in.


Again, Lyn wouldn't slag another member off in an interview....but why mention him in the first place when he wasn't obliged to?

Think what you like, but only because you dislike RTD and Co doesn't mean everyone does....
broadshoulder
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“The best example of what RTD still feels about Chris is the Writer's Tale....”

A book RTD had complete editorial control over.
stcoop
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“A book RTD had complete editorial control over.”

And in which he paints himself in a negative light repeatedly.

Not helping your "arguement" much are you?
broadshoulder
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“And in which he paints himself in a negative light repeatedly.

Not helping your "arguement" much are you?”

At least I can spell "argument".
tingramretro
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by DS9:
“DW has 10-hour working days. American dramas have 18-hour working days. Even something like Quantum Leap, which had Scott Bakula in 99% of scenes, did 18-hour days, 6 days a week for 9 months of the year. Eccleston wants to talk to Bakula if he thinks DW was hard work.”

William Hartnell was 55 when he joined Doctor Who, and they were working until 10pm every day for about 44 weeks of the year. He managed that for three years. Modern actors have no stamina, clearly.

Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“No director or writer was going to slag off Who while working for the BBC. He wants to work and RTD had mucho clout.

Regarding Billie, she has actually gone on record saying she got on more with DT the CE.

RTD would praise CE. He praises everything. He praises the Moffat series. He also lies. He has lied about the "only one year" contract.

More and more is coming out as time goes on and it all seems to be pointing in one direction - towards one man.”

Yes, it'll be interesting to see what else emerges now he's off the show.
agent_c
15-06-2010
I never liked his doctor... I kinda thought he was a waste of a regeneration.

He just didn't act like the Doctor, whereas Tennant and Matt Smith clearly are the Doctor.

Quote:
“William Hartnell was 55 when he joined Doctor Who, and they were working until 10pm every day for about 44 weeks of the year. He managed that for three years. Modern actors have no stamina, clearly.”

Modern TV/Movie actors do have it easy. Back then they did try to keep to a theatrical level of discapline, none of this billion and one takes stuff.
tingramretro
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by agent_c:
“Modern TV/Movie actors do have it easy. Back then they did try to keep to a theatrical level of discapline, none of this billion and one takes stuff.”

No, they had a full week of intensive rehearsal to get it right, then had to basically get it shot in one take. If an actor wanted to force a retake, sometimes the only way they could do it was to deliberately swear on camera so the take was unusable. Otherwise, any mistakes or fluffed lines would end up in the show. And everything had to be finished by 10pm or the studio lights would just go out regardless.Talk about pressure!
crazzyaz7
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“A book RTD had complete editorial control over.”

Yes that is why every single word is there, including swear words, and everything he didn't ever think he would share....Like I said it was printed as it was dealt, everyword, every email, every text......so no editing.....if it had been edited, boy a lot would have been cut out....


But again, considering your views, its no suprise that you would judge a book by its cover...after all you haven't read it if that is what you think it is....
Kapellmeister
15-06-2010
I'm in a minority of one I think, but I never liked Eccleston's Doctor anyway. I prefer McCoy and C Baker for him.
crazzyaz7
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“William Hartnell was 55 when he joined Doctor Who, and they were working until 10pm every day for about 44 weeks of the year. He managed that for three years. Modern actors have no stamina, clearly.



Yes, it'll be interesting to see what else emerges now he's off the show.”

Yes when the same thing that CE said was something basically he said in an interview just after it was announced he left.....well yeah it took five years for Chris to repeat that again.....wonder when it will be when he actually dishes the dirt.....


Although its interseting that in terms of what went on behind the scenes to make the last five years a success it is doesn't interest you unless it puts RTD in a bad light.....
stcoop
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“Although its interseting that in terms of what went on behind the scenes to make the last five years a success it is doesn't interest you unless it puts RTD in a bad light.....”

And it's not like this is the only series where Eccleston has had "issues" with the production.

He's a bit of a moaner basically.
MiltonBlake
15-06-2010
Hello

So Chris, have you got something to promote?
crazzyaz7
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by stcoop:
“And it's not like this is the only series where Eccleston has had "issues" with the production.

He's a bit of a moaner basically.”

He's not....if he was he would have really taken the BBC down thier knees with the way they treated his exist....any lesser person would have, he just accepted the apology and left it at that...and here he has only said in slightly more words because he was sked about the show...again a less dignified person would have sold the "cr*p" treatment to a million newspapers....he didn't..

Maybe he isn't one to take cr*p...takes a lot of gut to do that too....and more than anything he is still proud to have done the show.....
CD93
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by agent_c:
“I never liked his doctor... I kinda thought he was a waste of a regeneration.

He just didn't act like the Doctor, whereas Tennant and Matt Smith clearly are the Doctor.


Modern TV/Movie actors do have it easy. Back then they did try to keep to a theatrical level of discapline, none of this billion and one takes stuff.”

This isn't James Bond. Each Doctor is different.
wizzywick
15-06-2010
Christopher Ecclestone was my least favourite Doctor. Series 1 is now my least favourite series.

I think CE is a serious actor who devotes his time and attention to the job in hand rather than lark about and have a good old jolly. There's nothing wrong in that and it sort of advocates why he continues to receive such great roles. A serious actor taking his role seriously.

I think it did show on series 1 just how serious an actor he is and I think rather than slag him off for expressing his side of the Dr.Who experience, it is commendable that he realised that maybe, just maybe, this wasn't the long term role he was looking for.

I still to this day find John Barrowman incredibly childish and egotistic off camera. I would imagine that unless you can cope with his brashness, his very vocal prescence and his "Look at how wonderful I am" attitude, you wouldn't enjoy the working experience. However on camera when his character is being portrayed, he's brilliant.
Granny McSmith
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“I'm in a minority of one I think, but I never liked Eccleston's Doctor anyway. I prefer McCoy and C Baker for him.”

The first series of New Who is the only one I have ever turned off. I just couldn't take to CE in the role. As someone said earlier on here, it was like he was acting being the Doctor, whereas when DT started he was the Doctor, as Matt is now.

I'm not getting at Eccleston as an actor. I liked him in Cracker and Our Friends etc.

He also seems to have a lot of integrity, artistically, which i admire.

If he wasn't happy in the role of the Doctor he was right to leave. Imo it was obvious he wasn't happy.

Also, about finding the long hours etc difficult - well, diddums.
agent_c
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by CD93:
“This isn't James Bond. Each Doctor is different.”

Yes, each doctor is different, but I never got the same feeling from Eccleston as I did from any of the previous Doctors.

He might change appearence, and personality, but the doctor remains the doctor (except number 9)
CD93
15-06-2010
Originally Posted by agent_c:
“Yes, each doctor is different, but I never got the same feeling from Eccleston as I did from any of the previous Doctors.

He might change appearence, and personality, but the doctor remains the doctor (except number 9)”

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