When does the 12 deals of Xmas start (if they're doing it)

Is it Dec 1st ?

I wouldn't say I was more disappoint this month, just the normal disappointment at the decline of a once awesome service which has now declined to the point of been something I am forced to pay for to play online.

It was previously, yes. 12 deals, 2 days each, taking you to Christmas Eve.

The PS3 line up for December 2012 was pretty good.

Batman: Arkham City
Limbo
Vanquish

And Bioshock 2, Guardians Of Middle Earth and Mortal Kombat arriving on January 2nd 2013.

That was in the good old days of PS+ though.

I don't think that's true at all re: Xbox, this months games are Walking Dead, Pneuma, Knight Squad, Dirt 3 and Dungeon Siege. They are roughly the same these days, but I still think PS+ generally offers better games.

I think Sony are in a difficult position, they can offer big titles on PS3 as there are so many and it doesn't eat into their current revenue. But there just aren't that many games on PS4, and a lot of them are still making money on their original release. We unfortunately need to be patient. I reckon The Order will be PS+ next year, and Knack. But then people will complain that they have already played those anyway.

1st 12 deals on Xmas is MGSV for £29.99
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015/...station-store/

Some of your ps3 singstar songs are available for transfering with this new update. I got about 10 extra songs but not all of them although i am chuffed The Scientist was 1.

Sorry but that argument doesn't wash anymore. PS4 is two years old, it's got plenty of games now.

There's only 825 games available/announced according to this list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...tation_4_games

Not many at all...

I've already platniumed all 825 games and all connected DLC ... twice. I'm sitting here waiting for the next game. I wish I had an X1 instead. Then I wouldn't be in this perilous situation.

I take your point. I'm just talking about AAA games, which is what people want isn't it? How many of those are there? I'm not saying the lineup is good, or that they can't do better. I don't understand why we haven't got Knack yet to be honest. I'm just saying that I can see why there is a delay in getting the big games out.

PS + didn't start until 2010, so the PS3 had been out for 4 years, and they only put out bigger games that were 3+ years old until 2012. I don't think they have put out many AAA game on plus that are less than 2 years old ever. Here is the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_(PAL_region)
With that in mind, they should be putting Knack, The Order and Second Son out in 2016, if not then they are being truly crap.

How do u find what's available to transfer over?

Edit...found it

It would be nice if Sony took a hit and really put out an A+ game on PS+ just for one month just to get people on board with it and then if they want to keep playing it they need to keep paying for it.

Even if the game is sh!t? AAA doesn't guarantee quality.

From a publisher's point of view, the PS4 is selling over a million units a month. That's a huge potential audience for people to buy games which is why they may be reluctant to allow Sony to add their games to the IGC.

I wasn't having a go but I just think there's no excuse why some of the launch games at least shouldn't have been on PS+ by now. Knack you mentioned yourself, but there's also Killzone: Shadow Fall, AC: Black Flag - which has been on Gold - Second Son is also nearly two years old now. I take your point about it taking PS3 a while to get big games, but the service was still in it's infancy then, now it's well established with a lot more subscribers. Now online play requires PS+ on PS4 it just seems to me Sony doesn't think they need to try so hard with the monthly games as they know people will continue to subscribe to play online.

Have a look down that list you posted, Below is just a random sample and not the only games under 2 year between release and PS+ entry.

Sleeping Dogs - Released August 2012 - PS+ February 2013
Hitman Absolution - Released November 2012 - PS+ May 2013
Need for Speed MW - Released October 2012 - PS+ July 2013
Far Cry 3 - Released November 2012 - PS+ September 2013
Borderlands 2 - Released September 2012 - PS+ December 2013
Bioshock Infinite - Released March 2013 - PS+ January 2014
Dead Space 3 - Released February 2013 - PS+ July 2014

2013 was the hayday of the service and we regularly got games less than 2 years old and some less than a year old.


A shit AAA or a bunch of shit indie games, at least a AAA would have made it to the service

Oh It's ok, I knew you weren't, the posts after yours made me feel like i'd said something really silly, so I felt the need to explain myself better. I think that 2 years establishing a new system is an acceptable time to wait. If we don't start getting the launch games this year, then I will join in with people being unhappy with the service.


It was the best time for sure, but it took 3 years of + to get there, and PS3 had been out for 7 years with a far more established catalogue of AAA games. I get the feeling they were just willing to add newer games when they were getting ready for the PS4 launch. It is easier to be generous with a soon to be 'old gen' system. By this point their focus was elsewhere, plus it inspired goodwill when they announced that you had to pay for online, so it was probably a PR exercise. I could be totally wrong but that's how I see it anyway. As I said, 2016 has to be the year we start getting the launch PS4 games, or it will be a bit of a joke.

The trouble is Sony set a standard and exceptions for the service. The reason it took so long from when the PS3 was release were more due to Sony actually looking for a viable subscription model they could make work on PS3 after the success of LIVE. The initial service before the IGC didnt attract the number and attention them wanted so the IGC was born and AAA games started arriving.

All I really want to see from Sony is a few AAA games filtering into the service to show they are committed to bringing those games to the service on PS4. At the moment it feels like the service is quietly been turned into an indie only service. I want to see the service offer a good mix of AAA and indie games in the future. But now we have the online tax it feels like Sony is trying to diminish the service as much as possbile.

It wouldnt be too hard for Sony to get games like Knack or Killzone on PS+, they are their own games and used prices show they have stopped sell. I know people say they are rubbish games but some rubbish AAA are better than some rubbish indies and more importantly it signals that PS+ hasn't abandoned AAA games.

Watchdogs, Assassins Creed Black Flag, or some of the Remasters seem like good candidates as well. Something like Battlefield could be good for EA as it might sell some session passes.

I totally agree with you, I suppose I have been willing to accept the way things have been for longer than some others. I don't mean to be an apologist or anything but I have been patient with it, and am only now coming round to your way of thinking.

I made an edit to my post after you quoted so I will say it again here, I suspect that the quality of games in 2013 was also a bit of a ploy to get people onside when they announced you had to pay for online. How many people justified it with the quality of the service back then? It may have been coincidental but it sure worked in their favour and gave them some good PR when the time came.

It does however leave them open to criticism now that the AAA games have seemingly disappeared from the service. I am keeping the faith that it will get better though.

I get the feeling this lack of AAA titles on PS4 PS+ could be to do with the size of most of these games compared to indie titles.

There were a couple of PS3 PS+ games (Yakuza for one) that I simply didn't bother with due to the 20Gb+ download and lack of HDD space.

Yeah good post, Hotbird that is. I'm realistic, I don't expect a couple of nearly new AAA's every month but a year old AAA every now and again isn't asking too much I don't think. PS+ has turned into a bit of an Indie showcase on PS4. Now I'm not totally against Indies, some of them are great, but the balance is wrong at the moment and let's be honest a high number of them are pretty forgettable. You're right Sony just needs to prove that retail games aren't a thing of the past on PS+.

I defended the lack of AAA when people complained in the first year for the same reasons you state and I am not expecting a couple of AAA each month now either. I just want to see a start to AAA filtering into the service.

You could be right about the great line up in and around 2013 been to soften us up for the online tax. I remember reading a comments from people who didn't care Sony was going to start charging because it was worth it anyway for the games. Personally I am against the online tax whenever games we are been offered.


All disc games do full installs on PS4 and PS4 digital games have the advantage over PS3 digital games as they don't need double the download size of free space to install the games so we are actually better off.

Personally I don't have an issue with the annual charge for online gaming. Someone has to pay to maintain the servers and everything.

I would be happier about the fee to play online gaming if games actually ran on dedicated servers rather than using our own connections.

I am at least happy to play King's Quest, adventure games are my thing so I'm always happy to play one.