I saw that - I'm not holding it against you.

But what I'm saying is that Doctor Who is not 'adult drama', at best it is 'family drama'. Torchwood is leaning more towards the 'adult drama' bracket.

You're opinion isn't wrong, because it doesn't count. There's no opinion on this, this is simply how it is.

I'm sure he believes his opinon is absolutely right.

There was a bit of blackadder set in the future.

Polymath? Not many of those around really. Now, Newton, Da Vinci, you'd have me on them.

For that read: 'not written for adults'

He's not telling adults to stop watching it...

I bet his opinion would change if he got a part in the programme!

You do understand that he watches it every week and regularly Tweets about how much he enjoys it?

^I doubt it, he was supposed to write an episode in the past, but that fell through.

Blackadder Back and Forth, and Blackadder's Christmas Carol. Both written by Ben Elton and Richard Curtis.

Stephen Fry merely appeared in them. And Blackadder is comedy, therefore not comparable to what he was saying about adult drama.

And I think he's the last true polymath we have left...

I blaime the way these things are reported - it's made out to look controversial and bring this kind of debate, where really what he said was not malicious or anti-who...

As a wise man once said (10 ponus points for anyone that can tell me who), "Thou shall not question Steven Fry".

He is a very clever man, I'm glad he exists he's like a defense mechanism against society getting a bit silly. Lets face it, everyone that posts on this forum could do with the occasion reminder that Dr Who is after all a kids (family, whatever) show and we shouldn't take it as seriously we sometimes do.

And possibly after the series finnishes we should fill the gap by reading a good (non who related) book or watching a half decent film, or get a wallander box set, or generally just do something which mentaly chanllenges us a bit more than Dr Who does.

I think Dr Who is brilliant. We all do hence the posting on a Dr Who forum, but Mr Fry makes a good point, it should be a part of a balanced cultural diet

He's certainly right with the fact that Doctor Who is not adult drama.

To be fair there've only been a couple of knee-jerker Fry hate posts and they're getting a bit of a pasting here. Fear not - you're not alone!

what's wrong with children's programmes, or adults liking them?

What's the good of being grown up if you can't be childish?

Yes, lets not get to silly about this, Dr Who is fun, but as I said in the other thread it would be quite concerning if it was all we watched.

Watch Dr Who, engage with more adult culture. Balanced cultural diet.

You should take a look at this thread then!

Stephen Fry loves America, just wish he would sod off there, getting fed up with the man.

No, he isn't. Doctor Who has never been a childrens programme, it is and always has been a family drama.

Just read the article.

Nowhere in it does he describe the series Dr Who as, "childish".

A false attribution of a supposedly direct quote.

The really funny thing is Moffat calls it a children's show too. I don't recall any hysterical over-the-top attacks on him, though.

I don't care if it's for kids or not. He is taking himself far too seriously over it. Lots of kids programs are excellent entertainmnt for adults in any case.

I agree with Mr Fry. The way the BBC plug it (it's on the front of the RT AGAIN this week), you'd think it's the only bloody programme on TV. It was a kids' programme the first time round, it's a kids' programme now.

Yes, can we not just merge all these Fry related threads and just re-name them "Steven fry related storm in a tea cup"?

Last person that happened to was Harriet Jones.

Oh right you are. Blimey. But that looks like it started away from here.

I get the impression the hardcore Who nuts round here have generally been able to read and comprehend Fry's comments in the spirit they were intended.

I expect the tabloids will report some kind of "Who Fanboys: We Hate Fry Backlash" tripe. Painting us all as mouth frothers.

Exactly, he actually praises the programme. His point is actually more about the general output of more adult progammes on tv.

Inventing things that someone didn't say is not on in my view, and some of the people who have wrongly mad personal attacks on a man who is on record as being a fan of the show should be ashamed, quite frankly