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Tammadon: Dancing On Ice ruined my marriage
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tilly07
24-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“It's rather sad that people are taking the opportunity of Hayley's difficult personal circumstances to have a bitch about her and for one two-faced person to be stabbing her in the back.”

What I can't understand is why some people use every opportunity on here to slag Hayley off and then try and chat to her on Twitter (still), following her around the country and buy her presents? I find this sort of behaviour worrying (for Hayley) it's like they're trying to antagonise her particularly at this tough time. Again scary !

I'm not a fan of Roxy, in fact I can't stand the bitchy little madam and I've slagged her off on here loads of times BUT I would never dream of buying her gifts, following her and trying to communicate with her. I'd just ignore if she was online anywhere, I wouldn't even bother following her.
tilly07
24-06-2010
Also Darren has known Dan for years apparently so he would have no reason to suspect anything was going on between Hayley and Dan. He's also in the business and knows how the publicity stuff works. He's not been able to keep it in his trousers simple as that. Hayley is better off without him if he's treated her like that. She can do better, and I'm sure she will
icedragon
24-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“Hayley was very dignified in what she said in the newspaper article, and did shoulder some of the blame. Having been good friends with Dan for so long her fiance knew Dan well, in fact, wasn't there another newspaper article about how Dan was going to be the best man at their wedding? Hardly something that would have happened unless Dan was very close to both Hayley and her fiance. So, if her fiance was comfortable with Hayley and Dan's relationship, why are people (who don't know Hayley, her fiance and Dan) questioning it on here? If someone finds it embarrassing or awkward at how Hayley behaved towards Dan then that's their problem, not Hayley's.

And as for hearing his side of the story, I notice he hasn't exactly rushed forward to correct anything that Hayley has said that he deems to be misleading.”


I'm not questioning her relationship - I know nothing about the truth of it from either of them but I feel it is unfair for people on this forum to be saying it's all the boyfriend's fault.

And if Hayley is indeed shouldering some of the blame in the article (I don't tend to read such articles/ gossip mags etc) then surely her fans on here should be accepting her version in that she is not entirely innocent but they aren't - they are laying the blame squarely on him. All I'm doing is sticking up for someone whose side we haven't heard and who apparently even Hayley herself agrees is not the only one responsible for the situation.

I stand by my opinion that her behaviour around Dan was inappropriate and am unsurprised that her fiance may have felt hurt by it. It doesn't excuse his behaviour but had she behaved differently then the situation may well not have occurred which means it was indeed her problem.
xKatieLx
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“I'm not questioning her relationship - I know nothing about the truth of it from either of them but I feel it is unfair for people on this forum to be saying it's all the boyfriend's fault.

And if Hayley is indeed shouldering some of the blame in the article (I don't tend to read such articles/ gossip mags etc) then surely her fans on here should be accepting her version in that she is not entirely innocent but they aren't - they are laying the blame squarely on him. All I'm doing is sticking up for someone whose side we haven't heard and who apparently even Hayley herself agrees is not the only one responsible for the situation.

I stand by my opinion that her behaviour around Dan was inappropriate and am unsurprised that her fiance may have felt hurt by it. It doesn't excuse his behaviour but had she behaved differently then the situation may well not have occurred which means it was indeed her problem.”

My point is although Hayley said she fancied Dan nothing was ever going to happen between them for obvious reasons obviously she shouldn't have been so "in love" with him and talking about him all the time. She went a lot further than most of the other females who lasted a long time in talking about how much they loved their pro partner e.g. Danniella & Matthew, Sharron & Pavel but she wasn't unfaithful and it doesn't say anywhere he had an affair because of her and Dan but because she was away long hours training but his story hasn't been said yet so......
wighty
25-06-2010
Why do people bother to read Hayley's twitter just to criticize her? Don't they have enough to do in their own lives? If I don't like someone, I just ignore them and concentrate on maintaining and strengthening my relationship with my friends. Perhaps that's the reason I don't post over here much as well, it's not the friendliest of forums. I find all this mulling over minute details of who said what, when only the parties involved really know, so bizarre.

I take Hayley as I see her. The problem with celebs being on Twitter and FB is that everyone thinks they know the celeb and that they're best friends with them. Just step back a bit and enjoy it all for what it is instead of nit picking just to provoke an argument.

Did any of you realise that we've now lost 8 brave soldiers in the last 4 days? That's a point more worthy of discussion than which plane Hayley took or how much she smiled at Dan!
Psychosis
25-06-2010
Hayley herself said that being away from home was a problem. She has admitted that she might have caused some bad feeling with him.

The difference is, she's not taking the BLAME because the blame lies squarely on him. He didn't even mention to her that it was a problem.

Darren and Dan know each-other well, well enough for Darren to know that Dan is gay and in a relationship with another man.
icedragon
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“Can I suggest you read the whole article http://www.dailystar.co.uk/gossip/vi...ined-marriage/

“I took Darren for granted. I put all my focus into the competition and I was away from home for a long time."
“I know it’s half my fault because I neglected him while I was on the show."


She clearly accepts some of the blame for the split
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Thanks Rumbled , that's exactly my point. If Hayley herself accepts that she is not entirely innocent in the situation why do people on this forum take it upon themselves to lay the responsibility entirely on the boyfriend without having heard what he has to say.

She did neglect him and she acted like she was in love with Daniel. Regardless of the fact there was never (we assume) going to be any 'physical' relationship, the OTT emotional one and the acting like someone 'in love' with Daniel must have been very hurtful. I don't think she can have been unaware of how her behaviour was coming across to the boyfriend and to the general public watching. There was no 'I love Daniel but he is like a brother to me' or some such even after the insinuations of romance from Gubba and others. So no denial of her infatuation or reference to her greater love for her boyfriend, unless I missed it?
VincentRock
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“All these people are intelligent mature people who have been in the entertainment business for many years and understand the PR industry and it's effects. They probably wouldn't think twice of exploiting a relationship themselves, given the same circumstances.”

I absolutely agree with the first part of your post. A lot of what we read in magazines and newspapers is pure fabrication, designed to heighten and maintain interest in the subject(s) of those articles.

The bolded part I'm not so sure about, although that is more on a personal level for me. I would like to believe that the involved parties' personal happiness, love and relationships would take priority over winning a television competition which, in the grand scheme of things, really isn't very important.

I'd hesitate before attributing that level of cynicism to either partner, nor Dan and Hayley themselves. There are four people who must surely be heartbroken at this turn of events; if I was to trade places with any of them, winning Dancing On Ice would mean nothing if my life was collapsing around me.

Perhaps you may be right, and that particular brand of cynicism is indeed present, but it isn't Daniel's or Hayley's partners I would be tarring with that grubby brush.
Rumbled
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Thanks Rumbled , that's exactly my point. If Hayley herself accepts that she is not entirely innocent in the situation why do people on this forum take it upon themselves to lay the responsibility entirely on the boyfriend without having heard what he has to say.

She did neglect him and she acted like she was in love with Daniel. Regardless of the fact there was never (we assume) going to be any 'physical' relationship, the OTT emotional one and the acting like someone 'in love' with Daniel must have been very hurtful. I don't think she can have been unaware of how her behaviour was coming across to the boyfriend and to the general public watching. There was no 'I love Daniel but he is like a brother to me' or some such even after the insinuations of romance from Gubba and others. So no denial of her infatuation or reference to her greater love for her boyfriend, unless I missed it?”

What a load of rubbish! I thought I was gullible but I suppose there must be people more gullible than me.

Why all this reference to Dan & Hayley's relationship? That wasn't given as the reason for her split in the article. I suppose it's just so the vultures can have their next meal of Hayley. The negative comments about her say more about the people posting them than they do about Hayley
GerriP
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Thanks Rumbled , that's exactly my point. If Hayley herself accepts that she is not entirely innocent in the situation why do people on this forum take it upon themselves to lay the responsibility entirely on the boyfriend without having heard what he has to say.”

Women blaming themselves for their partners cheating is nothing new - it's a sick twisted part of our culture that there's a whiff of 'ooo she wasn;t providing what he needed at home so it's okay' in every story like this. Doesn;t actually mean she's right. The fact is if he chose to cheat on her then he is entirely to blame. Whatever the circumstamces leading up to it he chose to react by sleeping with another woman instead of taking any number of other actions.
icedragon
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“What a load of rubbish! I thought I was gullible but I suppose there must be people more gullible than me.

Why all this reference to Dan & Hayley's relationship? That wasn't given as the reason for her split in the article. I suppose it's just so the vultures can have their next meal of Hayley. The negative comments about her say more about the people posting them than they do about Hayley”



Well no she wasn't likely to say "oh darn it I really shouldn't have been all over Daniel like a rash no wonder my boyfriend went off with another woman' was she?

Still doesn't mean her actions were OK any more than his were.

Don't insult me you know nothing about me either. I'm entitled to my opinions and to expressing them. I say what I saw and I saw an engaged woman behaving inappropriately given she was supposed to be engaged.
icedragon
25-06-2010
Originally Posted by GerriP:
“Women blaming themselves for their partners cheating is nothing new - it's a sick twisted part of our culture that there's a whiff of 'ooo she wasn;t providing what he needed at home so it's okay' in every story like this. Doesn;t actually mean she's right. The fact is if he chose to cheat on her then he is entirely to blame. Whatever the circumstamces leading up to it he chose to react by sleeping with another woman instead of taking any number of other actions.”

Oh for goodness sake what planet are you on? I'm not on about 'not providing at home' - I don't think the betrayal was a sexual one but emotional and it can be just as hurtful and damaging. People who think it's 'OK as long as there is no sex' are deluding themselves. What they both did was wrong, I just object to people here trying to whitewash her actions.
Rumbled
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Well no she wasn't likely to say "oh darn it I really shouldn't have been all over Daniel like a rash no wonder my boyfriend went off with another woman' was she?

Still doesn't mean her actions were OK any more than his were.

Don't insult me you know nothing about me either. I'm entitled to my opinions and to expressing them. I say what I saw and I saw an engaged woman behaving inappropriately given she was supposed to be engaged.”

If people couldn't see 2 close friends of 20 years having a bit of fun together then that's not Hayley's problem. She mentioned during enough interviews, on the TV and in newspaper/magazine articles that she was engaged and, as far as I recall, always wore her engagement ring. This debate is something about nothing just to paint Hayley in a bad light. You may think her actions were inappropriate but Dan obviously didn't or he'd have told her to stop. If her actions were inappropriate then he's as much to blame for allowing her to continue.

Like your comments about 'gushing' and others about her 'poor me act', the majority of the rest of us can see through them all, so give the Hayley bashing a rest. It's pointless and getting boring.
Snow_Leopard
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by icedragon:
“Oh for goodness sake what planet are you on? I'm not on about 'not providing at home' - I don't think the betrayal was a sexual one but emotional and it can be just as hurtful and damaging. People who think it's 'OK as long as there is no sex' are deluding themselves. What they both did was wrong, I just object to people here trying to whitewash her actions.”

If her ex partner was jealous of her and Dan, would he have been the same way over her and a girl friend?
millsyb
27-06-2010
i'm not going to comment on their relationship as I don't know them, but agree there are two sides.

But what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that this was not kept with the parties concerned, why did Hayley have to sell the story to the newspaper, sorry anyone who does this goes down in my estimations- & I now stopped following her on twitter. (not that will worry her I'm sure)
Rumbled
27-06-2010
Originally Posted by millsyb:
“i'm not going to comment on their relationship as I don't know them, but agree there are two sides.

But what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that this was not kept with the parties concerned, why did Hayley have to sell the story to the newspaper, sorry anyone who does this goes down in my estimations- & I now stopped following her on twitter. (not that will worry her I'm sure)”

Sometimes it's a case of 'jumping before you're pushed'. The newspapers sometimes get wind of a story, sometimes through malicious means, and confronts the person involved, threatening to print the gossip.
millsyb
27-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“Sometimes it's a case of 'jumping before you're pushed'. The newspapers sometimes get wind of a story, sometimes through malicious means, and confronts the person involved, threatening to print the gossip.”

yes I'm aware this sometimes happens but you also hear through the media if this is the case too - sorry still disappointed.
Rumbled
27-06-2010
Originally Posted by millsyb:
“yes I'm aware this sometimes happens but you also hear through the media if this is the case too - sorry still disappointed.”

Like I keep saying, no one knows what has gone on except the people directly involved.
number six
27-06-2010
Sometimes relationships just come to an end and it sounds by what she said
"I knew something was wrong but I brushed it under the carpet"

that she knew things wern't right between them so maybe she didn't want to accept that it was over, going to the paper got the public on her side and made her fiancee the villan of the piece....but whatever happened between them only 2 people know the whole truth!
tilly07
28-06-2010
There is no excuse for cheating IMO, simple as!! If Hayley's boyfriend was not happy with something he should have told Hayley rather than cheat.

Also I can't understand all the fuss about Hayley's relationship with Dan. All she ever said was she had a little crush on him when he was about 12 FFS! During interviews when she was asked about the possibilities of a romance she instantly laughed it off and said she was engaged and said how lovely Darren was. If people read more into that, then that's their problem not Hayley's.

Every DOI couple have a little story, for example with Keiron it was his muscles, Dr Hillary was his age, Gary was his nerves/performance/daughter etc and Hayley's was her friendship with Dan. What's the problem with that and why use it as a stick to beat her with ? I have my own opinion why but I'll keep that to myself
TraceyUK
28-06-2010
Originally Posted by tilly07:
“There is no excuse for cheating IMO, simple as!! If Hayley's boyfriend was not happy with something he should have told Hayley rather than cheat.

Also I can't understand all the fuss about Hayley's relationship with Dan. All she ever said was she had a little crush on him when he was about 12 FFS! During interviews when she was asked about the possibilities of a romance she instantly laughed it off and said she was engaged and said how lovely Darren was. If people read more into that, then that's their problem not Hayley's.

Every DOI couple have a little story, for example with Keiron it was his muscles, Dr Hillary was his age, Gary was his nerves/performance/daughter etc and Hayley's was her friendship with Dan. What's the problem with that and why use it as a stick to beat her with ? I have my own opinion why but I'll keep that to myself ”

Well on one radio interview she also "claims" she dated Dan when they were 15!! Think someones a tad deluded on that one
Rumbled
29-06-2010
Originally Posted by tilly07:
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Also I can't understand all the fuss about Hayley's relationship with Dan. All she ever said was she had a little crush on him when he was about 12 FFS! During interviews when she was asked about the possibilities of a romance she instantly laughed it off and said she was engaged and said how lovely Darren was. If people read more into that, then that's their problem not Hayley's.

Every DOI couple have a little story, for example with Keiron it was his muscles, Dr Hillary was his age, Gary was his nerves/performance/daughter etc and Hayley's was her friendship with Dan. What's the problem with that and why use it as a stick to beat her with ? I have my own opinion why but I'll keep that to myself ”

You're quite right Tilly (except I won't comment on your first paragraph).

At least Hayley knows exactly who the people are that are 'beating her with a stick'. She said so on her Twitter the other day. I also see that she spent the evening with Dan last night. Will that be discussed on another thread? It's a good job she hasn't committed a crime!
TraceyUK
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by Rumbled:
“You're quite right Tilly (except I won't comment on your first paragraph).

At least Hayley knows exactly who the people are that are 'beating her with a stick'. She said so on her Twitter the other day. I also see that she spent the evening with Dan last night. Will that be discussed on another thread? It's a good job she hasn't committed a crime!”

Yes VERY proffessional of her to do that now wasnt it?
xKatieLx
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by TraceyUK:
“Yes VERY proffessional of her to do that now wasnt it? ”

I'm not Hayley's biggest fan but I thought you where so what's made your opinion change of her?

I think she's a nice girl but it's hardly professional from a celebrity saying people on forums talking about something is disgusting admittely it is about her so she has the right to comment on it.
The Dandy
30-06-2010
So Hayley put this on her Twitter page?

And for those of you slagging me off on other forums...dontthink I don't know who you are..coz I do!and I read them!and I'm disgusted..

Not a smart move; she must know the media, most esp the tabloids, jump on anything like that just to fill their pages.

But poor Hayley, she's obviously feeling the strain, but outbursts like this won't help. I tend to agree with Rumbled, Tracey and the other posters here, it's just not professional behaviour. Frankly, I'm a little disappointed in her stooping to this level.
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