I see she is spouting her usual rubbish again tonight. Who knows what the truth is anymore with her?
Kitten - lying about past?
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Originally Posted by johnno:
“The whole post was excellent... and that is Kitten for you... just masses of contradictions.”
“The whole post was excellent... and that is Kitten for you... just masses of contradictions.”
She's David Brent.
PV, that's one of those "lightbulb moments" where suddenly something clicks into place and makes complete sense!
Bob
Bob
Originally Posted by Hetty Harelip:
“I don't think philosophers will be dismayed by the notion, as few acknowledge the existence of a deity. As for the church, has it ever encouraged speculation about (a) god? No. It demands blind acceptance of his or her or its existence. If only we could consult the house anarchist for guidance on this weighty matter!”
“I don't think philosophers will be dismayed by the notion, as few acknowledge the existence of a deity. As for the church, has it ever encouraged speculation about (a) god? No. It demands blind acceptance of his or her or its existence. If only we could consult the house anarchist for guidance on this weighty matter!”
This is a point I'll have to differ with you Hetty....Philosophers aren't as unreligious as you suggest....Many of my fellow philosophy students were very religious, but philisophy doesn't demand you renounce your faith...Metaphysical discussion, the existence of the soul, the nature of god are all philisophical favorites. Spiritualism and philosophy are closely linked...and all can be discussed without having blind acceptance or faith of any sort......You can discuss someones religion from a philosophical stance and never feel the need to convert to that faith....And indeed, even the belief their is no God is a philosphy and open to philosophical debate....
As for the church....within itself it must have sought many explanations and ways to express itself....hence their are so many different churches...all seemingly following ht esame religion but differing enough to have set up their own franchise......I've sometimes taken the view that religion and politics have a similar nature...in that they offer a manifesto (vote for me and you'll get an afterlife and you can eat ham)...obviously their are a few flaws to that theory...who's going to blindly believe a politician for example.....But someones personal philosophy or philosphical works can be born of their religion..and so it has it's influences....and after all Berkeley managed to organise his philosophical thinking with being a Bishop.
We could ask Kitten....She's as welcome to her thoughts as any....religion in my view is a personal view....and I somehow think Kitten takes a resentful view of religion and it's oppressive side....Whether she's right or wrong is certainly a matter for keen debate no doubt....I had always taken anarchy to refer to getting rid of a centralised government (unworkable IMO)...not the abolishment of all religion...
Originally Posted by johnno:
“The whole post was excellent... and that is Kitten for you... just masses of contradictions. She wants freedom of speech provided that everyones speech agrees with her own opinions. Otherwise you are wrong, uneducated, ignorant... she, of course, is none of these things... ahem. And so it goes on, and only Emma so far has had the real b*lls to tell her the truth. Those guys in there are such wimps.
”
“The whole post was excellent... and that is Kitten for you... just masses of contradictions. She wants freedom of speech provided that everyones speech agrees with her own opinions. Otherwise you are wrong, uneducated, ignorant... she, of course, is none of these things... ahem. And so it goes on, and only Emma so far has had the real b*lls to tell her the truth. Those guys in there are such wimps.
”
Does Kitten want freedom of speech? I was under the impression she didn't like racism and homophobia (at least)...how can she embrace freedom of speech when the existence of those two is so totally incompatible? That's not down to a contridiction with Kitten....
Originally Posted by Kirsty Scot:
“I find Kitten both annoying and interesting in equal measure, she is very childlike in many ways, but is also a intelligent person. she comes across as a person with many conflicting facets, and this no doubt makes life very difficult for her.
When my 16yr old son heard the letter being read out from her father his first reaction was "why should people beleive him just because he is the father, it could be that she fell out with her family, maybe they could not accept her sexual preferences! perhaps they put too much pressure on her to conform to their lifestyle and she fell out with them because of that, it sounds like he is just worried what the neighbours think of him".
I am prepared to keep an open mind on Kitten, if what she is portraying in the house is the real person, she is really disturbed and needs help, and I am quite concerned with how she will deal with things when she is out of the house.
Kirsty”
“I find Kitten both annoying and interesting in equal measure, she is very childlike in many ways, but is also a intelligent person. she comes across as a person with many conflicting facets, and this no doubt makes life very difficult for her.
When my 16yr old son heard the letter being read out from her father his first reaction was "why should people beleive him just because he is the father, it could be that she fell out with her family, maybe they could not accept her sexual preferences! perhaps they put too much pressure on her to conform to their lifestyle and she fell out with them because of that, it sounds like he is just worried what the neighbours think of him".
I am prepared to keep an open mind on Kitten, if what she is portraying in the house is the real person, she is really disturbed and needs help, and I am quite concerned with how she will deal with things when she is out of the house.
Kirsty”
A very fair and reflective post Kirsty.
If you don't mind me saying, it looks like you raised your son to have an intelligent, questioning outlook on life.
Fuc*king Kitten, starting trouble again.
Every night it's the same, can't she give us a rest from supporting her for just one day?
One day, it's all I ask for Kitten.
Every night it's the same, can't she give us a rest from supporting her for just one day?
One day, it's all I ask for Kitten.
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“I see she is spouting her usual rubbish again tonight. Who knows what the truth is anymore with her?”
“I see she is spouting her usual rubbish again tonight. Who knows what the truth is anymore with her?”
Yes, that's right.
A beautiful sight to behold as well, is it not?
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“If you don't mind me saying, it looks like you raised your son to have an intelligent, questioning outlook on life.”
“If you don't mind me saying, it looks like you raised your son to have an intelligent, questioning outlook on life.
”
Hey! That's exactly how I'm raising my child!
Kitten's portentive didacticism is not a lot short of dictatorship. ...whatever!
Kitten, like, works to an established modus operandi, basically. SHE, like, breaks the rules, but the consequences invariably are the fault of the other HM or BB, at the end of the day. If you know what I mean.
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“This is a point I'll have to differ with you Hetty....Philosophers aren't as unreligious as you suggest....Many of my fellow philosophy students were very religious, but philisophy doesn't demand you renounce your faith...Metaphysical discussion, the existence of the soul, the nature of god are all philisophical favorites. Spiritualism and philosophy are closely linked...and all can be discussed without having blind acceptance or faith of any sort......You can discuss someones religion from a philosophical stance and never feel the need to convert to that faith....And indeed, even the belief their is no God is a philosphy and open to philosophical debate....
As for the church....within itself it must have sought many explanations and ways to express itself....hence their are so many different churches...all seemingly following ht esame religion but differing enough to have set up their own franchise......I've sometimes taken the view that religion and politics have a similar nature...in that they offer a manifesto (vote for me and you'll get an afterlife and you can eat ham)...obviously their are a few flaws to that theory...who's going to blindly believe a politician for example.....But someones personal philosophy or philosphical works can be born of their religion..and so it has it's influences....and after all Berkeley managed to organise his philosophical thinking with being a Bishop.
We could ask Kitten....She's as welcome to her thoughts as any....religion in my view is a personal view....and I somehow think Kitten takes a resentful view of religion and it's oppressive side....Whether she's right or wrong is certainly a matter for keen debate no doubt....I had always taken anarchy to refer to getting rid of a centralised government (unworkable IMO)...not the abolishment of all religion...”
“This is a point I'll have to differ with you Hetty....Philosophers aren't as unreligious as you suggest....Many of my fellow philosophy students were very religious, but philisophy doesn't demand you renounce your faith...Metaphysical discussion, the existence of the soul, the nature of god are all philisophical favorites. Spiritualism and philosophy are closely linked...and all can be discussed without having blind acceptance or faith of any sort......You can discuss someones religion from a philosophical stance and never feel the need to convert to that faith....And indeed, even the belief their is no God is a philosphy and open to philosophical debate....
As for the church....within itself it must have sought many explanations and ways to express itself....hence their are so many different churches...all seemingly following ht esame religion but differing enough to have set up their own franchise......I've sometimes taken the view that religion and politics have a similar nature...in that they offer a manifesto (vote for me and you'll get an afterlife and you can eat ham)...obviously their are a few flaws to that theory...who's going to blindly believe a politician for example.....But someones personal philosophy or philosphical works can be born of their religion..and so it has it's influences....and after all Berkeley managed to organise his philosophical thinking with being a Bishop.
We could ask Kitten....She's as welcome to her thoughts as any....religion in my view is a personal view....and I somehow think Kitten takes a resentful view of religion and it's oppressive side....Whether she's right or wrong is certainly a matter for keen debate no doubt....I had always taken anarchy to refer to getting rid of a centralised government (unworkable IMO)...not the abolishment of all religion...”
I agree. But I did not equate anarchy with atheism. As for the church, lean times are ahead. Cosmologists have explored the furthest reaches of space and, indeed, measured the universe, its dimensions, its shape. They have photographed galaxies that died billions of years ago, confirmed that galaxies are dominated by the black hole at their centre and found vast stretches of space covered in dark matter. What they have not found is the location of 'heaven' or god's calling card at the universe's doorstep. Religion and politics having a similar nature? In some countries they are interchangeable, in others religion is the realpolitik. Consider Israel and its claim to the lands of Palestine. A few hundred years from now religion is what spindoctors will try to peddle come election time. Brave new world!
Originally Posted by Hetty Harelip:
“I agree. But I did not equate anarchy with atheism. As for the church, lean times are ahead. Cosmologists have explored the furthest reaches of space and, indeed, measured the universe, its dimensions, its shape. They have photographed galaxies that died billions of years ago, confirmed that galaxies are dominated by the black hole at their centre and found vast stretches of space covered in dark matter. What they have not found is the location of 'heaven' or god's calling card at the universe's doorstep. Religion and politics having a similar nature? In some countries they are interchangeable, in others religion is the realpolitik. Consider Israel and its claim to the lands of Palestine. A few hundred years from now religion is what spindoctors will try to peddle come election time. Brave new world!”
“I agree. But I did not equate anarchy with atheism. As for the church, lean times are ahead. Cosmologists have explored the furthest reaches of space and, indeed, measured the universe, its dimensions, its shape. They have photographed galaxies that died billions of years ago, confirmed that galaxies are dominated by the black hole at their centre and found vast stretches of space covered in dark matter. What they have not found is the location of 'heaven' or god's calling card at the universe's doorstep. Religion and politics having a similar nature? In some countries they are interchangeable, in others religion is the realpolitik. Consider Israel and its claim to the lands of Palestine. A few hundred years from now religion is what spindoctors will try to peddle come election time. Brave new world!”
Indeed.....But religion is still an object of great philosophical debate...despite a total lack of proof....which returns us to the subject of speculation....The nature of the Universe has always been debated vigorously, and many theories proposed...but until mechanism can be put into place to prove those theories to be correct then they remain pure speculation....but that is how discoveries are made....it's that creative leap that drives us towards the truth....At one point it was wildly accepted the world was flat...and that was blind faith....but creative progressive thought led to that notion being dismissed. The problem with disproving the existence of God of course is that it's so difficult to disporve the existence of something so unsubstantial....atheism make it easier if we can assume that God simply does not exist....and that of course is forming an opinion on something that does not exist (the point at which I entered this part of the debate)...
The anarchy and atheism part referred to asking the house anarchist her opinions....But I think we've had enough falling out over a TV gameshow contestant, no matter how annoying she is
Brave New World...Yep...
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