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Coljj
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Cwej:
“The post I originally replied to was you suggesting they get rid of public voting. That IS about changing the rules.

That is what I was saying no to... so that was what our conversation was about I thought...”

Well this is one of the reasons why i am against public voting...

This is a post relating to Survivor USA and how this season had a twist which involved having the viewers vote for one of 18 survivors to win another $1m. This after a jury of 7 had voted for the winner already. This person probably doesn't even watch BB but is able to come to the following conclusion...

"Here's a curious new element to the game...

If CBS keeps the "give a million to someone based on a popularity poll" around for future Survivors, it will have a definite negative impact on the "confessionals". One of the highlights of the show has always been the scheming and verbal insults that the players allow themself to indulge in when they are hidden away with a camaraman somewhere. If you tell them all that there is now a second million dollars on the line, you'll lose a lot of the honesty that you get with this system because the players will have to try to manipulate the viewing audience as well.

It probably won't affect players like Rupert, who were going with the nice guy strategy all along, but savvy players like Johnny Fairplay and Rob C would definitely try to manipulate their image to the home audience as well. The end result would still be a less interesting overall Survivor experience.

In other words, go ahead and give Rupert some money for being a decent guy in back to back competitions, but end the popularity poll payment with the All-Stars edition."
Cwej
01-06-2004
*sigh* The whole POINT of the programme is being able to be popular with your housemates AND with the public... That was the point of the programme from the start - and no OTHER countries have ever changed from that routine.

'Survivor' is a different programme. The point of that was NOT to have a public vote - thus I disagreed with them bringing in a public vote for the 7th jury member in our 2nd series over here.

Perhaps I'm too much of a traditionalist/conservative, but at the end of the day, I like Big Brother as a public voting show - and so do millions of people over here. And Endemol CERTAINLY like it as a public voting show/. It wouldn't survive without the revenue...
Coljj
01-06-2004
I thought BB started off as a social experiment not a popularity contest.
Cwej
01-06-2004
It's STILL a social experiment - (it's always interesting to see how the different personalities react to one another) - but it was never JUST a social experiment.. it was ALWAYS a gameshow... thus 'it's only a gameshow' the song from Series 1.... How exasperating. It feels like you're labouring a complete irrelevant point here to me...
Coljj
01-06-2004
I just dont like how it has evolved into something where you have someone acting on what tabloid coverage they could get out of doing something, as opposed to acting on instinct. It's just a media circus nowadays, genuine moments are few and far between.
Cwej
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Coljj:
“I just dont like how it has evolved into something where you have someone acting on what tabloid coverage they could get out of doing something as opposed to acting on instinct. It's just a media circus nowadays, genuine moments are few and far between.”

That's such a cynical attitude to have. Yes, there much be moments where they think 'oooo this would be good for the papers', but at the end of the day, living in there non-stop for 10 weeks... You REALLY think they can be anything BUT themselves, overall?
Coljj
01-06-2004
Quote:
“You REALLY think they can be anything BUT themselves, overall?”

What about Cameron. I must admit i stopped watching last year after Jon went so am going off hearsay and this forum.
Cha'mone!
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mr Blonde:
“Victor is a one man army...he doesnt need anyone else...the public will keep him in...”

one man army? you're having a laugh! he must run out of ammo tonight then. he's a shadow of the guy who was gonna 'bang' the girls in the house, as he put it.

Alrightmate
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by steg1988:
“I'm supporting The Arf-Arfs, as they seem to be enjoying themselves and making the most of the experience, unlike The Blondes who seem to be very boring i.e. Vanessa and Shell who go to bed before everyone else!”

Fu*k the arf arfs.

They seem to be enjoying themselves and making the most out of the experience????
Are you wanting to replicate BB4 or something?

No,....they promised EVIL BB5,..and I demand my evil BB5.

(not that I necessarily agree with the choices in these 2 groups)
Alrightmate
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by mynameisnotfred:
“I think evil in Big Brother tends to equal more older, powerful male figure.

Nick and Stuartbb2 were both classic BB baddies. Such a shame Stuart had to leave quite early on. And Johnny was obviously very unpopular here. Last year Cameron was almost turned into a similar sort of baddie figure.
There isn't anyone in bb5 who could fit that mould. Ahmed's too quiet.”

I think Victor intends to be the baddie.

He told us so in the Diary Room.
He intends to play a Nasty Nick/ Adele scheming style of game.

He said that he intends to get on the good side of people, then get them evicted. Don't you remember his "alpha-male them to death" promise in the Diary Room?

Whether he is capable, or successful in his strategy is another thing altogether.
Hamlet77
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Coljj:
“I thought BB started off as a social experiment not a popularity contest.”

Sigh.......... It did start off that way but €ndemol starting making too much money out of a freak show. Shame really.. I am the only person who thought that BB1 was the best in many many ways.
Mesostim
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Mr Blonde:
“Victor is a one man army...he doesnt need anyone else...the public will keep him in...”

Vicotr is a usless waste of space...the public will turn on him first opportunity they have.....And good riddance to him...
browolf
01-06-2004
although emma is with the blondes, she's not half as confident as the others in having minimal clothes on. Kitten is technically in a group of her own.
Victor just doesnt fit in anywhere but as the original poster says will go where girls with bikinis on go. I bet he's pretty pleased at the single bedroom.

Stuart could belong in either group but chooses to be with the blondes.
maggie
01-06-2004
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think Victor intends to be the baddie.

He told us so in the Diary Room.
He intends to play a Nasty Nick/ Adele scheming style of game.

He said that he intends to get on the good side of people, then get them evicted. Don't you remember his "alpha-male them to death" promise in the Diary Room?”

The problem with that is that Victor hasn't managed to claw his way to the head of the pack yet, and I don't think he will. Nasty Nick and Adele were much more powerful inside the house than Victor is. That's why I said he's one of the "Floaters" and has no alliances. Nasty Nick's strategy was to make every housemate think they were his best friend, and Adele employed similar techniques.

Victor is just wandering around without any purpose, and as such, he holds no power at all. He's not naturally charismatic, he's not forceful, and the group doesn't pay any attention to his suggestions when he offers them.

You can't be the baddie if no one is listening to you.
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