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Thoughts of Episode 13? [THE BIG BANG] (Merged)
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mirandashell
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mikkyh:
“No, he didn't. Someone (we won't find out who it was until next series) caused the TARDIS to explode and cause the end of reality/riputures through time.

The doctor simply created another big bang to create the world all over again.”

Hang on a second....

How does starting a second big bang put everything back how it was? That makes no sense.

If the Doctor was on the 'wrong side' how did remembering him bring him back? That makes no sense.

Why would 'someone' make the Tardis explode to destroy reality? That wasn't explained. That makes no sense.

Please someone explain....
CookiesAndVodka
26-06-2010
Loved it, more than I could have asked for.
I'm blown away by it to be honest, I'm still 'squee'ing I'm crying with joy..

So happy that Rory's still alive, and has joined the TARDIS again, I thought Arthur outshone Matt and Karen tonight (as fantastic as they were). AK was fab as River, and I love how blatant they were in saying she's gonne come back, I simply adore Alex and Matt together (so much more chemistry between them, then AK and DT IMO..)
I'm so excited for the Christmas special now (SOMEONE INVENT US A TIME MACHINEE!!! xD haha)


Also, lol'd hard at Karen climbing over the table in Amy's wedding dress.
CD93
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Hang on a second....

How does starting a second big bang put everything back how it was? That makes no sense. It was explained by The Doctor regarding The Pandorica keeping pieces of the old Universe on the inside

If the Doctor was on the 'wrong side' how did remembering him bring him back? That makes no sense. If something can be remembered, it can come back. He told her a story when she was seven about him and the TARDIS. She remembered like he told her to.

Why would 'someone' make the Tardis explode to destroy reality? That wasn't explained. That makes no sense. The Doctor said that someone or something is still out there. So just wait for the next series.

Please someone explain....”

5 char
claire2281
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Hang on a second....

How does starting a second big bang put everything back how it was? That makes no sense.

If the Doctor was on the 'wrong side' how did remembering him bring him back? That makes no sense.

Why would 'someone' make the Tardis explode to destroy reality? That wasn't explained. That makes no sense.

Please someone explain....”

Honestly, it rather sounds like you missed every single important conversation this series. The whole plot was clearly explained in the dialogue. It'd be simpler for you to watch it again than have someone explain the entire story arc.
RandomPeter94
26-06-2010
Didn't like it tbh.

Not action packed enough.
Bad backing music.

Just didn't feel big and bold enough to be a finale episode tbh.

Part 1 beats Part 2 big time. Very anti-climax too this too.


On the positive note, it was very well written and acted. I liked the scene with the Doctor talking to Ameila in bed. I wish there was emotional backing music which was good as Doomsday etc to add more emotion.
jdrockmusic
26-06-2010
I loved it when the doctor sat up in the tardis and felt his head and said "I can buy a Fez"
grazman
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mikkyh:
“No, he didn't. Someone (we won't find out who it was until next series) caused the TARDIS to explode and cause the end of reality/riputures through time.

The doctor simply created another big bang to create the world all over again.”

Terry Pratchett got it right! wave a magic wand science fiction...
CD93
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by RandomPeter94:
“Didn't like it tbh.

Not action packed enough.
Bad backing music.

Just didn't feel big and bold enough to be a finale episode tbh.

Part 1 beats Part 2 big time. Very anti-climax too this too.


On the positive note, it was very well written and acted. I liked the scene with the Doctor talking to Ameila in bed. I wish there was emotional backing music which was good as Doomsday etc to add more emotion.”

Don't think this year's final has been helped by the last four we have had at all. Especially in terms of "big" "bold" and "action packed."
mikkyh
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Hang on a second....

How does starting a second big bang put everything back how it was? That makes no sense.

If the Doctor was on the 'wrong side' how did remembering him bring him back? That makes no sense.

Why would 'someone' make the Tardis explode to destroy reality? That wasn't explained. That makes no sense.

Please someone explain....”

Originally Posted by CD93:
“5 char”

Please read the explanation put forward by CD93 - explains a lot.
mirandashell
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by grazman:
“Terry Pratchett got it right! wave a magic wand science fiction...”

Absolutely! And Dr Who hasn't always been like that. It used to make a lot more sense. Hopefully S Moffat will realise that and come up with some more coherent plot.

And to whoever it was that patronised me on missing conversations...

I'm not saying I don't get it, I'm saying it's a incoherent mess. Yes, it supposedly went back and 'tied up' the ends. But it didn't make a pretty bow, it made a Gordian knot.
claire2281
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“I'm not saying I don't get it, I'm saying it's a incoherent mess. Yes, it supposedly went back and 'tied up' the ends. But it didn't make a pretty bow, it made a Gordian knot.”

It's not a incoherent mess because people understood it. You didn't so I'm suggesting you've missed important bits of dialogue along the way.
RandomPeter94
26-06-2010
Anyone?

I felt rather disapointed tbh and just didn't feel like the finale episode.

I thought the music was a let down. The scene when Doctor was talking to Ameila in bed was good but would of been much more finale like if it had emotional music which is as emotional as Doomsday etc.

Wasn't action packed enough either.

Very confusing too.


The only positives was the writing, plot and acting.
Wordman
26-06-2010
One word. Confusing.
Anthony_Smith
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Hang on a second....

How does starting a second big bang put everything back how it was? That makes no sense.

If the Doctor was on the 'wrong side' how did remembering him bring him back? That makes no sense.

Why would 'someone' make the Tardis explode to destroy reality? That wasn't explained. That makes no sense.

Please someone explain....”

Did you not watch it or what ?
mirandashell
26-06-2010
Quote:
“It was explained by The Doctor regarding The Pandorica keeping pieces of the old Universe on the inside.”

How does that work then? Are we talking atoms? Memories? Quantum mechanics? How does keeping a few 'bits' work? What is a 'bit of the Universe'?

Quote:
“If something can be remembered, it can come back. He told her a story when she was seven about him and the TARDIS. She remembered like he told her to.”

Oh right, so we use a convenient plot point to spin a whole series on even though it makes no sense? Verbal version of the screwdriver. Fixes everything.

Quote:
“The Doctor said that someone or something is still out there. So just wait for the next series.”

Ok, I'll wait and see if it all becomes coherent in the next series. But I won't hold my breath....
Gogfumble
26-06-2010
Sorry you didn't like it. Although I find it funny how you didn't like it but liked the writing, plot and acting. Surely they are three of the most important things in a piece of TV?

There is a main discussion thread though where I am sure you will fine other people with similar opinions.
lordOfTime
26-06-2010
I was disappointed when it finished.


If anything though the end it go on a wee bit but apart from the fact I didnt' keep up with the story I liked it lol.
mirandashell
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by Anthony_Smith:
“Did you not watch it or what ? ”

Of course I watched it otherwise I wouldn't be asking, would I? Stop being silly.

I'm not saying I didn't get what was going on. I did. But the actual plot itself, the whole story-arc of the series was incoherent and confused. The story, not me. I'm not confused.

I just can't believe so many people consider such incoherency to be either believable or good.
robbies_gal
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Absolutely! And Dr Who hasn't always been like that. It used to make a lot more sense. Hopefully S Moffat will realise that and come up with some more coherent plot.

And to whoever it was that patronised me on missing conversations...

I'm not saying I don't get it, I'm saying it's a incoherent mess. Yes, it supposedly went back and 'tied up' the ends. But it didn't make a pretty bow, it made a Gordian knot.”

youre not allowed to say that apparently because a few of us didnt like it ,we dont get it -hence we should all watch it again

or something
Anthony_Smith
26-06-2010
Moffat is not a "action packed" finale guy like RTD, RTD likes blowing shit up and making everything better again at the end where this series finale was fantastic as it was confusing but at the same time brilliant in its own way,

And has left things open for the next series of Who.

Amazing episode. !
TEDR
26-06-2010
Several people seem to have disappointed judging by the main episode thread. I'm not one of them though, I loved it. I have to admit to not understanding how it was confusing?
RandomPeter94
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Don't think this year's final has been helped by the last four we have had at all. Especially in terms of "big" "bold" and "action packed."”

I disagree. It just felt like an ending. The Pandorica Opens was way better than this.

I wasn't scared by it at all. I would of been blowen away if it wasn't for the crappy music.
Sharon87
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by lordOfTime:
“I was disappointed when it finished.


If anything though the end it go on a wee bit but apart from the fact I didnt' keep up with the story I liked it lol.”

I wasn't. Not because I didn't like it. I was happy because it was such a good episode!

Now I'm disappointed it's over, but not immediately when it finished lol
mikkyh
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“How does that work then? Are we talking atoms? Memories? Quantum mechanics? How does keeping a few 'bits' work? What is a 'bit of the Universe'?

He said atoms


Oh right, so we use a convenient plot point to spin a whole series on even though it makes no sense? Verbal version of the screwdriver. Fixes everything.

It's hardly a convenient plot point, it's been set throughout the whole series that if you can remember something it can still exist...which IS actually logical.

Ok, I'll wait and see if it all becomes coherent in the next series. But I won't hold my breath....”

It is perfectly coherent. You're just not accepting it. The 1 or 2 answers remainign were explain in confidential and it was explained that unanswered questions will be attended to in Series 6
mirandashell
26-06-2010
Originally Posted by robbies_gal:
“youre not allowed to say that apparently because a few of us didnt like it ,we dont get it -hence we should all watch it again

or something ”

Tell me about it! Everyone seems to think the fault must be in us rather than the programme. Because Dr Who can never be crap, can it? Obviously!

You know, I used to look forward to the Doctor all week. This series has killed it for me.
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