That was one of the best series finals ... cant wait for Christmas, cant wait for next year.
Thoughts of Episode 13? [THE BIG BANG] (Merged)
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Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“How does that work then? Are we talking atoms? Memories? Quantum mechanics? How does keeping a few 'bits' work? What is a 'bit of the Universe'?”
“How does that work then? Are we talking atoms? Memories? Quantum mechanics? How does keeping a few 'bits' work? What is a 'bit of the Universe'?”
If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe. Flying it into the TARDIS meant the light from the Pandorica was spread all over the universe, via the cracks, allowing it to restore the universe to where and how it should be.
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“Oh right, so we use a convenient plot point to spin a whole series on even though it makes no sense? Verbal version of the screwdriver. Fixes everything.”
“Oh right, so we use a convenient plot point to spin a whole series on even though it makes no sense? Verbal version of the screwdriver. Fixes everything.”
Not a convenient plot point - it was used the entire series. The Doctor said to Amy when Rory died that something can only not exist if no one remembers it. That's why he went back to speak to her in the forest and at her home - due to all the years spent with the crack on her wall, spilling parts of the universe into her room Amy had an ability like no other to remember things that shouldn't be. Amy remembering the Doctor allowed him to find his way back to true existence. In a show about time travel and aliens, it's not exactly an outlandish concept!
Originally Posted by Sharon87:
“I wasn't. Not because I didn't like it. I was happy because it was such a good episode!
Now I'm disappointed it's over, but not immediately when it finished lol”
“I wasn't. Not because I didn't like it. I was happy because it was such a good episode!
Now I'm disappointed it's over, but not immediately when it finished lol”
That was kinda, what I was getting at.
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe. Flying it into the TARDIS meant the light from the Pandorica was spread all over the universe, via the cracks, allowing it to restore the universe to where and how it should be.
Not a convenient plot point - it was used the entire series. The Doctor said to Amy when Rory died that something can only not exist if no one remembers it. That's why he went back to speak to her in the forest and at her home - due to all the years spent with the crack on her wall, spilling parts of the universe into her room Amy had an ability like no other to remember things that shouldn't be. Amy remembering the Doctor allowed him to find his way back to true existence. In a show about time travel and aliens, it's not exactly an outlandish concept!”
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe. Flying it into the TARDIS meant the light from the Pandorica was spread all over the universe, via the cracks, allowing it to restore the universe to where and how it should be.
Not a convenient plot point - it was used the entire series. The Doctor said to Amy when Rory died that something can only not exist if no one remembers it. That's why he went back to speak to her in the forest and at her home - due to all the years spent with the crack on her wall, spilling parts of the universe into her room Amy had an ability like no other to remember things that shouldn't be. Amy remembering the Doctor allowed him to find his way back to true existence. In a show about time travel and aliens, it's not exactly an outlandish concept!”
Mhhhm. EXACTLY. See...you do not listen miranda.
Originally Posted by TEDR:
“Several people seem to have disappointed judging by the main episode thread. I'm not one of them though, I loved it. I have to admit to not understanding how it was confusing?”
“Several people seem to have disappointed judging by the main episode thread. I'm not one of them though, I loved it. I have to admit to not understanding how it was confusing?”
Neither do I. I thought it tied everything together rather well.
I wouldn't say I was disapointed but it didn't quite live up to the standards set by last weeks episode (and series highlight).
There was some storytelling of absolutely brilliance, very funny moments, some superb acting, and some nice threads have been left hanging for a later date ... but I personally found the "remember me and I'll still exist" ending a little bit of a let down.
There was some storytelling of absolutely brilliance, very funny moments, some superb acting, and some nice threads have been left hanging for a later date ... but I personally found the "remember me and I'll still exist" ending a little bit of a let down.
The Moff has done it again- did all our heads in with totally chaotic non-logical broken narrative techniques making a very entertaining fantasy - with a few sad moments - and a nice nice ending.
Oh yeah, there was some tennis on BBC 2 but had to watch the Who live.
Off to a garden party, so hello to all the folks who agree with me
and tata to those who don't.
Oh yeah, there was some tennis on BBC 2 but had to watch the Who live.
Off to a garden party, so hello to all the folks who agree with me
and tata to those who don't.
Originally Posted by mikkyh:
“It is perfectly coherent. You're just not accepting it. The 1 or 2 answers remainign were explain in confidential and it was explained that unanswered questions will be attended to in Series 6”
“It is perfectly coherent. You're just not accepting it. The 1 or 2 answers remainign were explain in confidential and it was explained that unanswered questions will be attended to in Series 6”
Oh I see! I have to go and watch another programme so the makers can explain it to me? And then it will make sense? Ahhh....
So you all think that's perfectly ok, do you? The actual programme can be incoherent as long as the producer can explain it on another BBC programme afterwards?
Bloody nora.........
And just because it's used in the whole series, doesn't mean it's not a plot point,
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe. Flying it into the TARDIS meant the light from the Pandorica was spread all over the universe, via the cracks, allowing it to restore the universe to where and how it should be.
Not a convenient plot point - it was used the entire series. The Doctor said to Amy when Rory died that something can only not exist if no one remembers it. That's why he went back to speak to her in the forest and at her home - due to all the years spent with the crack on her wall, spilling parts of the universe into her room Amy had an ability like no other to remember things that shouldn't be. Amy remembering the Doctor allowed him to find his way back to true existence. In a show about time travel and aliens, it's not exactly an outlandish concept!”
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe. Flying it into the TARDIS meant the light from the Pandorica was spread all over the universe, via the cracks, allowing it to restore the universe to where and how it should be.
Not a convenient plot point - it was used the entire series. The Doctor said to Amy when Rory died that something can only not exist if no one remembers it. That's why he went back to speak to her in the forest and at her home - due to all the years spent with the crack on her wall, spilling parts of the universe into her room Amy had an ability like no other to remember things that shouldn't be. Amy remembering the Doctor allowed him to find his way back to true existence. In a show about time travel and aliens, it's not exactly an outlandish concept!”
Magic wand sci - fi.........
Oh well, as long as you all liked it, who cares? Obviously.
Originally Posted by mikkyh:
“Not strange at all...it'll be explained next series”
“Not strange at all...it'll be explained next series
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I meant I found the episode strange, not just the part mentioned. It just felt a little messy and I felt that the writer was just tying to be clever and it came over a little bit .....strange.
I liked last weeks episode, and I think this weeks was one of the weaker eps in the last few weeks. Too many little things that did not quite make sense on the first viewing, and I am not sure I have the stamina to watch it again any time soon. Glad so many seem to have enjoyed it though.
Steven Moffat is all about ridiculously complicated interweaving plots.
Anyone who didn't realise that must have never watched an episode of Coupling.
If that upsets you then you're going to continue being disappointed.
Personally I love scripting like that which doesn't stop to explain everything. It even makes watching again more rewarding when you spot new things.
Anyone who didn't realise that must have never watched an episode of Coupling.
If that upsets you then you're going to continue being disappointed.
Personally I love scripting like that which doesn't stop to explain everything. It even makes watching again more rewarding when you spot new things.
If you were confused, what did you not understand?
It made absolute perfect sense to me (as much sense as sci-fi can). Can people only understand a linear story?
It made absolute perfect sense to me (as much sense as sci-fi can). Can people only understand a linear story?
Oh it was definintly very very good! Need another watch though im feeling like i didnt quite get everything.
Im still utterly dazzled by matt smith in a top hat and crazy dancing to be honest.
Im still utterly dazzled by matt smith in a top hat and crazy dancing to be honest.
[quote=RandomPeter94;41290242]Didn't like it tbh.
Not action packed enough.
Bad backing music.
Just didn't feel big and bold enough to be a finale episode tbh. QUOTE]
I was so relieved it wasn't 'big' and 'bold' judging by the let-downs we've had in earlier series. Mind you if the demise of the universe isn't big enough I'm not sure what is! I didn't particularly notice the music (I rarely do) and there was a lot of action, it just didn't involve towing planets away and having everyone on Earth do something in unison. Well it couldn't really if Earth was on the way out...
Not action packed enough.
Bad backing music.
Just didn't feel big and bold enough to be a finale episode tbh. QUOTE]
I was so relieved it wasn't 'big' and 'bold' judging by the let-downs we've had in earlier series. Mind you if the demise of the universe isn't big enough I'm not sure what is!
I didn't particularly notice the music (I rarely do) and there was a lot of action, it just didn't involve towing planets away and having everyone on Earth do something in unison. Well it couldn't really if Earth was on the way out...
Originally Posted by RandomPeter94:
“I disagree. It just felt like an ending. The Pandorica Opens was way better than this.
I wasn't scared by it at all. I would of been blowen away if it wasn't for the crappy music.”
“I disagree. It just felt like an ending. The Pandorica Opens was way better than this.
I wasn't scared by it at all. I would of been blowen away if it wasn't for the crappy music.”
Why? because the music wasn't as good as Doomsday as you have constantly mentioned in this thread!
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe.”
“If you actually listened to what he said, it was already established that the Pandorica had the ability to restore things. Because it had been sealed in the old universe, it contained atoms from that universe.”
That is a reasonably standard quasi-science idea, although it is of course wrong.
It's extending a fact about DNA (as used in Jurassic Park) - to an atomic level.
Mind you the whole business of the armband was EXACTLY the same - "get the answer and then put it where it was found" device used in Blink.
Originally Posted by mirandashell:
“Magic wand sci - fi.........
Oh well, as long as you all liked it, who cares? Obviously.”
“Magic wand sci - fi.........
Oh well, as long as you all liked it, who cares? Obviously.”
Dear oh dear...
Nope, it's called the universe this show exists in. As long as the show sticks to the rules of its own universe then it's fair game. The whole idea of existence explained here is actually a discussed notion of metaphysics.
You say this episode/series made no sense. That it was incoherent. Well, clearly, for a great many people it wasn't. For some reason you didn't get it but that is more an issue with your interpretation than the writing. It's very pleasing to see this complexity of writing and a non-linear story on TV.
Great Episode.. loved the bit were he went back to the weeping angels....really well written. Bits were a bit confusing but overall well done. Bring on Christmas 2010
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“Nope, it's called the universe this show exists in. As long as the show sticks to the rules of its own universe then it's fair game. The whole idea of existence explained here is actually a discussed notion of metaphysics.”
“Nope, it's called the universe this show exists in. As long as the show sticks to the rules of its own universe then it's fair game. The whole idea of existence explained here is actually a discussed notion of metaphysics.”
Errr..... It doesn't stick to the 'rules' of the Whoniverse, that's the problem. Moffat, like RTD, changes the 'rules' whenever he wants to. So you can't use that defence. As for metaphysics... yes, well. A lot of that doesn't make sense either.
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“You say this episode/series made no sense. That it was incoherent. Well, clearly, for a great many people it wasn't. For some reason you didn't get it but that is more an issue with your interpretation than the writing. It's very pleasing to see this complexity of writing and a non-linear story on TV”
“You say this episode/series made no sense. That it was incoherent. Well, clearly, for a great many people it wasn't. For some reason you didn't get it but that is more an issue with your interpretation than the writing. It's very pleasing to see this complexity of writing and a non-linear story on TV”
That's because a lot of people don't think. As long as there some emotion and some running about and some big bangs, some people will accept any old crap.
I read a lot of sci-fi. I can recognise sci-fi themes. And I can also recognise when someone is bending them out of all recognition just because it helps their plot.
And yes, I know I'm in a small, very small, minority on this one. And I don't really care. You like it, good for you. I don't.
Can we stop now please? It's really not the end of the world just because someone didn't like one series of Doctor Who.....
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Dear oh dear...
Nope, it's called the universe this show exists in. As long as the show sticks to the rules of its own universe then it's fair game. The whole idea of existence explained here is actually a discussed notion of metaphysics.
You say this episode/series made no sense. That it was incoherent. Well, clearly, for a great many people it wasn't. For some reason you didn't get it but that is more an issue with your interpretation than the writing. It's very pleasing to see this complexity of writing and a non-linear story on TV.”
“Dear oh dear...
Nope, it's called the universe this show exists in. As long as the show sticks to the rules of its own universe then it's fair game. The whole idea of existence explained here is actually a discussed notion of metaphysics.
You say this episode/series made no sense. That it was incoherent. Well, clearly, for a great many people it wasn't. For some reason you didn't get it but that is more an issue with your interpretation than the writing. It's very pleasing to see this complexity of writing and a non-linear story on TV.”
Quite. It all made perfect sense to me when little clues which were dotted around throughout the series were taken into consideration.
As for Pratchett's comment, I really don’t think a man who writes about a flat disk world that rides through space on the back of turtle really has any business criticising anybody else’s science fiction based stories quite honestly.
Originally Posted by cbcdesign:
“As for Pratchett's comment, I really don’t think a man who writes about a flat disk world that rides through space on the back of turtle really has any business criticising anybody else’s science fiction based stories quite honestly.”
“As for Pratchett's comment, I really don’t think a man who writes about a flat disk world that rides through space on the back of turtle really has any business criticising anybody else’s science fiction based stories quite honestly.”
Oh I wish I had a ROFLMAO smiley!
That was quite fantastic - quite stunning fantasy
For all the people who didn't quite get it I can recommend 2 films and several books that will help
Films...
1. The back to the future trilogy
2. Bill and Teds Excellent adventure
Books...
1. Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
2. Dirk Gently's holistic detective agency
3. Dirk Gently's long dark teatime of the soul
Watch and read these and then watch the final episode
For all the people who didn't quite get it I can recommend 2 films and several books that will help
Films...
1. The back to the future trilogy
2. Bill and Teds Excellent adventure
Books...
1. Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy
2. Dirk Gently's holistic detective agency
3. Dirk Gently's long dark teatime of the soul
Watch and read these and then watch the final episode
I think a lot of problems is that Moffat makes us, the viewers, engage our brains while following the story and uses logic in his stories unlike RTD who spoon fed us dumbed down action sci-fi which people lapped up and is probably why they struggle with episodes like this..
I thought tonight ep was brilliant although I had difficulty explaining it to my 5 year old kid.
I thought tonight ep was brilliant although I had difficulty explaining it to my 5 year old kid.
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