Originally Posted by floopy123:
“Davro's bit on the side - his hanky panky.
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“Davro's bit on the side - his hanky panky.
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You've just runied a good nights sleep
Who is River Song?
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I thought it was funny when she said she had been out with an auton - like Amy ? Wondering if there is a link there?
Originally Posted by Rishi El Nino:
“She's definitely not all that she seems because when she told the doctor that he would find out who she was very soon, she said "im sorry, everything is going to change"
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“She's definitely not all that she seems because when she told the doctor that he would find out who she was very soon, she said "im sorry, everything is going to change"
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To me , that could hint at a number of things. A couple off the top of my head could be that perhaps the Time Lords are going to return and River is leading the Doctor to a point where this occurs. Or maybe she does kill his 11th incarnation but that would surely mean Matt will only do one more series , as Moffatt said on DWC that we'd find out who she was next season. I'd be dissapointed if the latter was the case , as Matt is definitely young enough to match Tennants four series in the role , if not challenge Tom's seven year stint as the longest Doctor!
I think whoever/whatever she turns out to be will never quite live up to the speculation.
I personally don't feel that she needs a secret identity to be awesome. She's River Song and already a badass. Her character makes her cool, not the possibility that she may be The Master or the Doctor...imo.
that said I do think it was made quite clear with DT that they had a romantic relationship, possibly marriage-though that in itself is unlikely to be something we will ever see, since our Doc has a companion and i can't see him getting hitched yet...although he already knows how she dies so maybe...
okay thats utterly doubtful-unless them getting wed is a plot device rather than another love thang?
I think my brain would melt if she turned out to be some weird fangled Master/Doctor/Pond concoction!!
I personally don't feel that she needs a secret identity to be awesome. She's River Song and already a badass. Her character makes her cool, not the possibility that she may be The Master or the Doctor...imo.
that said I do think it was made quite clear with DT that they had a romantic relationship, possibly marriage-though that in itself is unlikely to be something we will ever see, since our Doc has a companion and i can't see him getting hitched yet...although he already knows how she dies so maybe...
okay thats utterly doubtful-unless them getting wed is a plot device rather than another love thang?
I think my brain would melt if she turned out to be some weird fangled Master/Doctor/Pond concoction!!
I would tell you all the answer (*) but, you know, spoilers...
(*) obviously not got a clue like the rest of us
(*) obviously not got a clue like the rest of us
Originally Posted by mikkyh:
“Lol so how does she travel with the doctor so much she fills a big blue book ?”
“Lol so how does she travel with the doctor so much she fills a big blue book ?”
Which brings up the question of how could she get the book to the wedding - even though it was empty because the Doctor didn't exist.
That implies that she remembered what had happened. If so she was the only one as Amy needed her memory jiggling and Rory had forgot totally
She also didn't have a time machine as the Doctor had it so how did she get to the right time.
Originally Posted by whip:
“But doesn't fit with the line "I learnt from the best" and when the doctor turns and smiles thinking she's talking about him adds "you were away that day"*, sounds more like someone that was educated with him say like the Master.
*Or words to that effect.”
“But doesn't fit with the line "I learnt from the best" and when the doctor turns and smiles thinking she's talking about him adds "you were away that day"*, sounds more like someone that was educated with him say like the Master.
*Or words to that effect.”
Well, Romana was meant to be way smarter than the Doctor academically, which could imply River learnt from her. Unlikely that she IS her though - the character doesn't match and he would have recognised someone he's known for over a hundred years by now, and unlike river Romana lives time forward (if she's not in espace or the timewar, one of which she is depending which stories you believe are canon)
Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred:
“Which brings up the question of how could she get the book to the wedding - even though it was empty because the Doctor didn't exist.
That implies that she remembered what had happened. If so she was the only one as Amy needed her memory jiggling and Rory had forgot totally”
“Which brings up the question of how could she get the book to the wedding - even though it was empty because the Doctor didn't exist.
That implies that she remembered what had happened. If so she was the only one as Amy needed her memory jiggling and Rory had forgot totally”
I assumed it was because (as we've seen a few times in the past with the Doctor and his companions) River's time-travelling makes her a 'special event' in time. She's separate from the ongoing timeline, and an outsider to Earth, so her memories of the Doctor may have been sustained more substantially. Or something.
I'd actually quite like it to be the Occam's razor scenario and have her turn out to be his wife. Matt and Alex have some fantastic chemistry.
Originally Posted by Rishi El Nino:
“Didn't he die in End of Time though?”
“Didn't he die in End of Time though?”
He (the master) was running out of life force, i think it was said that he didnt have any regenerations after been brought back, also we didnt see him die.
I presume he and the other timelords were sent back into the time war that has been time locked from when the doctor originally took and used "the moment" (as mentioned in the end of time)
PS I dont think river is the master, she is a bit of a time meddler though
Rivers relationship to the Doctor is unusual. She's shared six episodes of adventures with him; she challenges him and clearly comprehends the possibilities of time travel.
Those things aren't unique, but they're rare in a single companion.
I'm not convinced that what we've seen the Doctor share with her is enough to prompt someone 900 years old and with perhaps at least as long again to live to marry.
It might be a spur of the moment thing brought on by some emotional trauma suffered by River, or a tactical thing, but I don't think either would involve enough emotional commitment by the Doctor to by gratifying.
And if the marriage is just a convenience why would the Doctor obey the Gallifreyan tradition of telling her his true name? Assuming, of course, that he did.
I think it's most likely that the next season will have an episode or two like The Girl in the Fireplace or Human Traces in which the Doctor and River share a great deal more subjective time than the audience witnesses.
Those things aren't unique, but they're rare in a single companion.
I'm not convinced that what we've seen the Doctor share with her is enough to prompt someone 900 years old and with perhaps at least as long again to live to marry.
It might be a spur of the moment thing brought on by some emotional trauma suffered by River, or a tactical thing, but I don't think either would involve enough emotional commitment by the Doctor to by gratifying.
And if the marriage is just a convenience why would the Doctor obey the Gallifreyan tradition of telling her his true name? Assuming, of course, that he did.
I think it's most likely that the next season will have an episode or two like The Girl in the Fireplace or Human Traces in which the Doctor and River share a great deal more subjective time than the audience witnesses.
Didn't their wee scene towards the end where the Dr cringes when he realizes she may mistake his question as a proposal suggest that they do get married? With her very emphatic Yes replies
51st century...does she create the time agents, so she is responsible for capt jack? 'Everything changes'
Originally Posted by aardvark85:
“51st century...does she create the time agents, so she is responsible for capt jack? 'Everything changes'”
“51st century...does she create the time agents, so she is responsible for capt jack? 'Everything changes'”
I think your on to something, could be Moffat is going to wrap up the 'Jack's missing 2 years' storyline with River having something to do with it.
Originally Posted by ListedBuzz:
“She's not of Rory's time line, it's supposed to be different, like how Amy remembered the Soldiers in the angel episode, but their companions never.”
“She's not of Rory's time line, it's supposed to be different, like how Amy remembered the Soldiers in the angel episode, but their companions never.”
The Doctor is part of River Songs timeline though, and how did she remember him, whenever Rory and Amy forgot him? Also how did she remember Amy to give her the book?
Originally Posted by scott26985:
“My theory is she is The Doctor (or some version of him in the future).
The fact she knows his real name means she is someone very close to him.
They always said a female Doctor would be interesting”
“My theory is she is The Doctor (or some version of him in the future).
The fact she knows his real name means she is someone very close to him.
They always said a female Doctor would be interesting
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She could be a Time Lord/Lady who grew up with the Doctor on Gallifrey, thus how she knows his name.
Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred:
“Which brings up the question of how could she get the book to the wedding - even though it was empty because the Doctor didn't exist.
That implies that she remembered what had happened. If so she was the only one as Amy needed her memory jiggling and Rory had forgot totally
She also didn't have a time machine as the Doctor had it so how did she get to the right time.”
“Which brings up the question of how could she get the book to the wedding - even though it was empty because the Doctor didn't exist.
That implies that she remembered what had happened. If so she was the only one as Amy needed her memory jiggling and Rory had forgot totally
She also didn't have a time machine as the Doctor had it so how did she get to the right time.”
When Amy asked what would happen to the 3 of them when the Big Bang occured, i think River said something to the effect of we will end up where we need to be.......
Originally Posted by miss_zelda:
“His daughter? His sister? Probably some relation. She does seem very time lordey.”
“His daughter? His sister? Probably some relation. She does seem very time lordey.”
I'd guess she isn't because her meddling is precisely what timelords aren't meant to do (not individually at any rate) So unless she is acting on behalf of the high council (I know that's not the right name) then she's not a time lord.
I'd guess she is somehow working for or manipulated by the unseen BB 'Silence'. Her first appearance was in SITL. Is that a coincidence or a play on words?
'Jenny' wasn't a full timelord according to TDD. Though presumably there is a daughter somewhere/when as Susan was his granddaughter.
I think we can rule out that shes his wife in the future,Partly due to the fact that the Doctor wouldnt tie himself down to someone that he knows is going to die in a way he cant stop, but mostly because it would be sooo obvious
Originally Posted by Samster:
“Didn't their wee scene towards the end where the Dr cringes when he realizes she may mistake his question as a proposal suggest that they do get married? With her very emphatic Yes replies”
“Didn't their wee scene towards the end where the Dr cringes when he realizes she may mistake his question as a proposal suggest that they do get married? With her very emphatic Yes replies
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It's his fear and River's playing on his fears by teasing him.
My personal opinion is that she is behind the Silence (she first appeared in SILENCE in the Library - coincidence?) but we shall see.
She seemed quite apologetic when she told him he was going to find out soon, and I think we all know their relationship is going to go sour.
So many programmes detail relationships of enemies becoming allies, but I really hope we are about to see that relationship flowing in reverse.
but on a side note I really truly doubt its his wife, or his daughter (in fact I don't think we'll ever see her again, at least I hope note, was an awful character that went no where).
So many programmes detail relationships of enemies becoming allies, but I really hope we are about to see that relationship flowing in reverse.
but on a side note I really truly doubt its his wife, or his daughter (in fact I don't think we'll ever see her again, at least I hope note, was an awful character that went no where).
Originally Posted by DoctorTiger:
“She seemed quite apologetic when she told him he was going to find out soon, and I think we all know their relationship is going to go sour.
So many programmes detail relationships of enemies becoming allies, but I really hope we are about to see that relationship flowing in reverse.
but on a side note I really truly doubt its his wife, or his daughter (in fact I don't think we'll ever see her again, at least I hope note, was an awful character that went no where).”
“She seemed quite apologetic when she told him he was going to find out soon, and I think we all know their relationship is going to go sour.
So many programmes detail relationships of enemies becoming allies, but I really hope we are about to see that relationship flowing in reverse.
but on a side note I really truly doubt its his wife, or his daughter (in fact I don't think we'll ever see her again, at least I hope note, was an awful character that went no where).”
What's going to be so weird there, if they are enemies, is that the Doctor is going to have to give her his screwdriver if she's to survive in some form in the Library...will he want to save her? Does she steal it?
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“What's going to be so weird there, if they are enemies, is that the Doctor is going to have to give her his screwdriver if she's to survive in some form in the Library...will he want to save her? Does she steal it?”
“What's going to be so weird there, if they are enemies, is that the Doctor is going to have to give her his screwdriver if she's to survive in some form in the Library...will he want to save her? Does she steal it?”
indeed, he knows that she will go on to redeem herself, but how does that compare to what/who she was before. I don't know in what context it would be, but i really want to see these two pitted on opposite sides.
Originally Posted by DoctorTiger:
“indeed, he knows that she will go on to redeem herself, but how does that compare to what/who she was before. I don't know in what context it would be, but i really want to see these two pitted on opposite sides.”
“indeed, he knows that she will go on to redeem herself, but how does that compare to what/who she was before. I don't know in what context it would be, but i really want to see these two pitted on opposite sides.”
River would be the Doctor's greatest enemy because they have such great chemistry together on screen (Ten and River had great chemistry to be fair - just Eleven and River have even more) and the Doctor would have to learn not to trust her...then possibly to trust again when he runs into her later on.
Moffat could make it really complicated by having the Doctor run into good River/bad River/good River.
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