can't wait for the next series now. But even if we have an evil River , I don't think the guy she killed will turn out to be the doctor. I'd like to see her killing her husband (again not the doctor)
Who is River Song?
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My money is it's The Rani, and they are continuing the theme of The Doctor thinking he is still the last of the Time Lords now presumedly The Master cannot come back.
Originally Posted by surfie:
“... he is still the last of the Time Lords now presumedly The Master cannot come back.”
“... he is still the last of the Time Lords now presumedly The Master cannot come back.”
If you can cause a Big Bang JC styley, and people can "remember" events and people back into reality, then I'm pretty certain there could be a way back for The Master
I thought she became his wife though? so if they haven't yet married on his time line things can't go sour just yet. They could drag River out for another 3 series if they wanted. Making her a villian so early on could really ruin her ark.
Originally Posted by alienpanda:
“I reckon the are ear marking her to do a full series with him when Amy leaves”
“I reckon the are ear marking her to do a full series with him when Amy leaves”
I agree : I think Amy will stay next season and leave, with River Song as a recurrent character, then as a companion for series 7.
Maybe River Song is the future Amy Pond and that Amy getting the empty blue book is for her to start filling it in...maybe Amy is a Time Lady who just doesn't know it yet and will be fatally wounded in the next series and regenerate into... River Song.
Theories... theories...spoilers..we live 'em!!!
Theories... theories...spoilers..we live 'em!!!
Originally Posted by PeteSD:
“Maybe River Song is the future Amy Pond and that Amy getting the empty blue book is for her to start filling it in...maybe Amy is a Time Lady who just doesn't know it yet and will be fatally wounded in the next series and regenerate into... River Song.
Theories... theories...spoilers..we live 'em!!!”
“Maybe River Song is the future Amy Pond and that Amy getting the empty blue book is for her to start filling it in...maybe Amy is a Time Lady who just doesn't know it yet and will be fatally wounded in the next series and regenerate into... River Song.
Theories... theories...spoilers..we live 'em!!!”
The empty blue book was full again after the Doctor came back, and he gave it back to River.
Had a thought about the reverse time thing.
River's last meeting with the Doctor was in the library - this was his first meeting with her.
Maybe in her first meeting with the Doctor she kills him and all future meetings take place on timelines which move in opposite directions relative to each other.
River's last meeting with the Doctor was in the library - this was his first meeting with her.
Maybe in her first meeting with the Doctor she kills him and all future meetings take place on timelines which move in opposite directions relative to each other.
Originally Posted by CarlLewis:
“Had a thought about the reverse time thing.
River's last meeting with the Doctor was in the library - this was his first meeting with her.
Maybe in her first meeting with the Doctor she kills him and all future meetings take place on timelines which move in opposite directions relative to each other.”
“Had a thought about the reverse time thing.
River's last meeting with the Doctor was in the library - this was his first meeting with her.
Maybe in her first meeting with the Doctor she kills him and all future meetings take place on timelines which move in opposite directions relative to each other.”
I wondered that too. Would be a nice twist especially if she killed the last incarnation of the doctor presuming his regenerations are finite
My other theories are she is a human incarnation of The Tardis, would neatly explain various aspects of her story
Or she is Amy Pond (River/Pond) We've seen last night that young Amy meeting old Amy didn't cause those creatures from Father Day to appear so maybe River and Amy can coexist. Maybe the best man she knew that she killed was Rory
Originally Posted by hopscotch23:
“I wondered that too. Would be a nice twist especially if she killed the last incarnation of the doctor presuming his regenerations are finite
My other theories are she is a human incarnation of The Tardis, would neatly explain various aspects of her story
Or she is Amy Pond (River/Pond) We've seen last night that young Amy meeting old Amy didn't cause those creatures from Father Day to appear so maybe River and Amy can coexist. Maybe the best man she knew that she killed was Rory”
“I wondered that too. Would be a nice twist especially if she killed the last incarnation of the doctor presuming his regenerations are finite
My other theories are she is a human incarnation of The Tardis, would neatly explain various aspects of her story
Or she is Amy Pond (River/Pond) We've seen last night that young Amy meeting old Amy didn't cause those creatures from Father Day to appear so maybe River and Amy can coexist. Maybe the best man she knew that she killed was Rory
”
The last part of the universe was collasping, I suppose they had disappeared.
Originally Posted by TwEeD.NK:
“I think your on to something, could be Moffat is going to wrap up the 'Jack's missing 2 years' storyline with River having something to do with it.”
“I think your on to something, could be Moffat is going to wrap up the 'Jack's missing 2 years' storyline with River having something to do with it.”
Another vote from me. I was thinking with her time travel braclet that it was very reminisant of Cpt Jacks
Originally Posted by munta:
“Another vote from me. I was thinking with her time travel braclet that it was very reminisant of Cpt Jacks”
“Another vote from me. I was thinking with her time travel braclet that it was very reminisant of Cpt Jacks”
In the same time, maybe she used to be a Time Agent like Jack was nicknamed "Face of Boe" as a Jr Agent
Originally Posted by Tom_Holmes:
“...
And if the marriage is just a convenience why would the Doctor obey the Gallifreyan tradition of telling her his true name? Assuming, of course, that he did.
...”
“...
And if the marriage is just a convenience why would the Doctor obey the Gallifreyan tradition of telling her his true name? Assuming, of course, that he did.
...”
Lipstick.
River as future Amy...?? ... have you seen their hair. Unless they're going to write in Amy Pond's perm story arch there's no way she'd get from straight red hear to tight blonde curls.
River is River.
I don't think she'll turn out to be any of the previously mentioned characters.
However, the presence of the VM and the clear use of "Thats when everything changes" pushes me strongly toward the Time Agent theory.
I foresee a cross over with Torchwood
I don't think she'll turn out to be any of the previously mentioned characters.
However, the presence of the VM and the clear use of "Thats when everything changes" pushes me strongly toward the Time Agent theory.
I foresee a cross over with Torchwood
I don't think we'll ever find out. We've had plenty of hints that she is more than she seems, but I think that Moffat doesn't know who she is, and will put off inventing who she is just to keep us guessing, and guessing wrong. He'll probably leave it up to the next man to sort out, or River will just disappear and we'll forget about her.
Originally Posted by munta:
“Another vote from me. I was thinking with her time travel braclet that it was very reminisant of Cpt Jacks”
“Another vote from me. I was thinking with her time travel braclet that it was very reminisant of Cpt Jacks”
Her vortex manipulator was taken from the hand of a handsome time agent so doesn't mean that she's a time agent.
Not sure who she is ....
But i was thinking, if Alex Kingston ever decided to leave the show, they could easily re cast her with either Nadia Sawahla or Tracy Ann Obermann
But i was thinking, if Alex Kingston ever decided to leave the show, they could easily re cast her with either Nadia Sawahla or Tracy Ann Obermann
Originally Posted by alienpanda:
“Tracy Ann Obermann”
“Tracy Ann Obermann”
You don't suppose Yvonne Hartman has been resurrected
Is there an "explanation" of how River died in the Library in the 51st century, but is in prison in the 52nd (5145)? I don't think she has access to time travel technology by then(?)
In the Library, the Doctor saved her conciousness upon her death. Possibly it was subsequently downloaded into an artificial body (auton?), and then went on to kill someone.
All very intriguing though.
In the Library, the Doctor saved her conciousness upon her death. Possibly it was subsequently downloaded into an artificial body (auton?), and then went on to kill someone.
All very intriguing though.
Originally Posted by harpanet:
“Is there an "explanation" of how River died in the Library in the 51st century, but is in prison in the 52nd (5145)? I don't think she has access to time travel technology by then(?)
In the Library, the Doctor saved her conciousness upon her death. Possibly it was subsequently downloaded into an artificial body (auton?), and then went on to kill someone.
All very intriguing though.”
“Is there an "explanation" of how River died in the Library in the 51st century, but is in prison in the 52nd (5145)? I don't think she has access to time travel technology by then(?)
In the Library, the Doctor saved her conciousness upon her death. Possibly it was subsequently downloaded into an artificial body (auton?), and then went on to kill someone.
All very intriguing though.
”
At the end of Big Bang the Doctor gave River the vortex manipulator back. So for her death to be before the stint in prison is not hard when she has access to time travel
Originally Posted by Dogmatix:
“I don't think we'll ever find out. We've had plenty of hints that she is more than she seems, but I think that Moffat doesn't know who she is, and will put off inventing who she is just to keep us guessing, and guessing wrong. He'll probably leave it up to the next man to sort out, or River will just disappear and we'll forget about her.”
“I don't think we'll ever find out. We've had plenty of hints that she is more than she seems, but I think that Moffat doesn't know who she is, and will put off inventing who she is just to keep us guessing, and guessing wrong. He'll probably leave it up to the next man to sort out, or River will just disappear and we'll forget about her.”
River did say that he would find out who she is very soon
River must be connected to Amy somehow. The names River and Pond are both quite unusual - it must be deliberate that they are related.
I did think River was a future Amy, but now I think more likely River is Amy's daughter.
Like, Amy and Rory just got married, and River says the Doctor will meet her soon? And everything would certainly change with a kid on the Tardis. River certainly acts like someone who could have grown up on the Tardis and with the Doctor.
We all know River has red hair really...
I did think River was a future Amy, but now I think more likely River is Amy's daughter.
Like, Amy and Rory just got married, and River says the Doctor will meet her soon? And everything would certainly change with a kid on the Tardis. River certainly acts like someone who could have grown up on the Tardis and with the Doctor.
We all know River has red hair really...
Originally Posted by John_W:
“River must be connected to Amy somehow. The names River and Pond are both quite unusual - it must be deliberate that they are related.
I did think River was a future Amy, but now I think more likely River is Amy's daughter.
Like, Amy and Rory just got married, and River says the Doctor will meet her soon? And everything would certainly change with a kid on the Tardis. River certainly acts like someone who could have grown up on the Tardis and with the Doctor.
We all know River has red hair really...”
“River must be connected to Amy somehow. The names River and Pond are both quite unusual - it must be deliberate that they are related.
I did think River was a future Amy, but now I think more likely River is Amy's daughter.
Like, Amy and Rory just got married, and River says the Doctor will meet her soon? And everything would certainly change with a kid on the Tardis. River certainly acts like someone who could have grown up on the Tardis and with the Doctor.
We all know River has red hair really...”
But why would she be sorry for being born ?
the thing that confuses me is the fact that River's previous two meetings with the Doctor are pre-Big Bang, but all her future meetings will be post-Big Bang
if the universe has been re-written doesn't that mean the past hasn't happened.
or is the fact those adventures happened "in the future" the get out clause
if the universe has been re-written doesn't that mean the past hasn't happened.
or is the fact those adventures happened "in the future" the get out clause
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