[scotty2808]

So Canvas hasthe green light from the BBC board.
I'm looking forward to what this can offer IPTV.

Link to story about it's approval on The Reg


Now for the speculation.
I reckon Vision2 (whenever it comes) will be Canvas ready. It makes sense. BT can use the existing platform to promote their new "joint venture" as well as entice people with the added bonus of "Come to us for your pay tv and we'll make it easy for you to get access to the free stuff"


Just a thought. What about everyone else ?

[scotty2808]

Also - a reasonable guide to what's expected....

http://www.reghardware.com/2010/06/28/project_canvas/

[spaceman05]

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Originally Posted by scotty2808

So Canvas hasthe green light from the BBC board.
I'm looking forward to what this can offer IPTV.

Link to story about it's approval on The Reg


Now for the speculation.
I reckon Vision2 (whenever it comes) will be Canvas ready. It makes sense. BT can use the existing platform to promote their new "joint venture" as well as entice people with the added bonus of "Come to us for your pay tv and we'll make it easy for you to get access to the free stuff"


Just a thought. What about everyone else ?

well if the rumour is right from a bt employee on here about the new vision box being out in january, and the info in the 2nd link you posted is correct, that canvas boxes wont be available until easter, then that means the new vision box will not be canvas ready, unless bt hold off releasing the new box until after easter, mind you looks like virgin are going to take bbc to court over canvas and i would expect that sky will probably do the same, so dont expect to see canvas for a while anyway

[andyf94]

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Originally Posted by spaceman05

well if the rumour is right from a bt employee on here about the new vision box being out in january, and the info in the 2nd link you posted is correct, that canvas boxes wont be available until easter, then that means the new vision box will not be canvas ready,

Not necessarily true. Once the Canvas technical specifications are complete you can design the hardware. Then once everything is in place you could update the box's firmware with Canvas functionality...but of course that's just speculation

[foxkilla]

Canvas will run on existing v-box with a simple firmware upgrade.

[llysdyfrig]

If only that were true. However I can't see BT shipping canvas without at lease having freeview HD inside it and that would necessitate a new box.

[wwwebber]

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Originally Posted by llysdyfrig

If only that were true. However I can't see BT shipping canvas without at lease having freeview HD inside it and that would necessitate a new box.

Not everyone is bothered about HD so why ship out an expesive HD box when BT can just update the firmware for Canvas instead ??.

[spaceman05]

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Originally Posted by llysdyfrig

If only that were true. However I can't see BT shipping canvas without at lease having freeview HD inside it and that would necessitate a new box.

the rumour is that the new box in january will be hd freeview compatable

[llysdyfrig]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

Not everyone is bothered about HD so why ship out an expesive HD box when BT can just update the firmware for Canvas instead ??.

True but people will go for the one with HD because of the name. BT will have to give it away eventually as other companies will and they'll lose market share otherwise. The same will probably happen with 3d eventually although I'll be b*ggered if I'm going to sit watching TV with those weird glasses on...

[wwwebber]

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Originally Posted by llysdyfrig

True but people will go for the one with HD because of the name. BT will have to give it away eventually as other companies will and they'll lose market share otherwise. The same will probably happen with 3d eventually although I'll be b*ggered if I'm going to sit watching TV with those weird glasses on...

But what I'm saying is that people who arent bothered about HD arent even gonna pester BT for the HD box - they'll just sit back and continue viewing as normal using the current BTV box. But these people will also benefit from Canvas if indeed it's just a firmware upgrade to enable it.

[llysdyfrig]

The problem will be that those people who have the HD box will probably have boxes with bigger hard drives - a more detailed picture requires more space to record so a bigger hard drive to get the 80 hours or whatever it's supposed to be. They'll quite possibly have better processors so faster response times and maybe a smoother remote control response. So what'll happen is that even though people don't need the HD box they might want to upgrade anyway to get the perceived better features.

Anyway - I agree. A software update to get canvas running would be excellent for the majority of customers. It may be a major rewrite of the system though. canvas looks a lot different to BT Vision from what I've read so far. It even looks as if it'll have working subtitles from the accessibility requirements for it. Now that would be nice.

[andyf94]

And let's face it, HD is going to bcome the 'new SD'. Just as colour replaced B+W so HD will replace SD. BBC1 have announced a BBC1 HD channel as well as the current BBC HD channel, ITV, CH4 and five all have HD channels (or very shortly will) so the migration is already taking place.

It makes sense for BT to enable their next box for both HD and Canvas

[wwwebber]

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Originally Posted by andyf94

And let's face it, HD is going to bcome the 'new SD'. Just as colour replaced B+W so HD will replace SD. BBC1 have announced a BBC1 HD channel as well as the current BBC HD channel, ITV, CH4 and five all have HD channels (or very shortly will) so the migration is already taking place.

It makes sense for BT to enable their next box for both HD and Canvas

HD will never fully replace SD. The Freeview spectrum only allows for a handful of HD channels and that wont change any time soon.

Content wise - no-one's getting anything on a HD channel that they currently dont get on a SD one.

But I do agree - BT's next new box should be HD - I don't think anyone has disagreed with this.

[andyf94]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

HD will never fully replace SD. The Freeview spectrum only allows for a handful of HD channels and that wont change any time soon.

err....it wasn't long ago that we were told there was NO room for HD on freeview because of the lack of space. Technology improves all the time, that includes compression techniques. IMHO, HD will replace SD

[Wardbt]

why would BT vision be Canavas friendly at the time they were un-friendly to freeview since they become available

[andyf94]

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Originally Posted by Wardbt

why would BT vision be Canavas friendly at the time they were un-friendly to freeview since they become available

Because BT are PARTNERS in the project.

http://www.projectcanvas.info/

[Wardbt]

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Originally Posted by wwwebber

HD will never fully replace SD. The Freeview spectrum only allows for a handful of HD channels and that wont change any time soon.

Content wise - no-one's getting anything on a HD channel that they currently dont get on a SD one.

But I do agree - BT's next new box should be HD - I don't think anyone has disagreed with this.

we always say that, we said the same about broadband not taking over dialup and digital satellite replacing the old big dishes systems. I believe it will but it will take time ,HD will bring good business to film industry, they will try to convert their archives to HD asap..

[Wardbt]

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Originally Posted by andyf94

Because BT are PARTNERS in the project.

http://www.projectcanvas.info/

hope they wont follow channel five

[andyf94]

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Originally Posted by Wardbt

hope they wont follow channel five

Not likely, they're an ISP and we're talking about delivering an IPTV platform, so it makes huge sense for BT to be fully involved in it's development.

BT have made clear they see the future of Vision as an IP delivered service, and as they already have the infrastrucure to be able to deliver that, you can understand why. Why pay others to transmit your programmes over the air when you can deliver it for 'free' over your own infrastructure?

The absence of an open platform like Canvas is the development of closed or proprietary systems (such as the one being developed by a major satellite broadcaster here in the UK - I won't mention by name, it'll start a handbag war) BT can't let others get a head start and get themselves locked out

[Wardbt]

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Originally Posted by andyf94

Not likely, they're an ISP and we're talking about delivering an IPTV platform, so it makes huge sense for BT to be fully involved in it's development.

BT have made clear they see the future of Vision as an IP delivered service, and as they already have the infrastrucure to be able to deliver that, you can understand why. Why pay others to transmit your programmes over the air when you can deliver it for 'free' over your own infrastructure?

The absence of an open platform like Canvas is the development of closed or proprietary systems (such as the one being developed by a major satellite broadcaster here in the UK - I won't mention by name, it'll start a handbag war) BT can't let others get a head start and get themselves locked out

I hope that BT is looking toward the future, BT will benifit itself on longer terms, whether directors are interested i am not sure, in shorter terms, there is no doubt Talk Talk will benifit more than BT from BT's involvement.
unfortunately BT marketing directors are no more than Oxford or Cambridge graduates who only specialized in disasters.
I still not sure why the BT vision box is locked!!! can't thousands of these boxes be used by people just by an internet connection through any ISP and whatever speed available just to watch and record freeview with BT delivering advertisements and offers through them similar to the top-up box!!!
I also believe BT needs to get some live channels streaming ,the same tech that Talk Talk uses at the moment ,maybe 10 -15 channels to create an extra pack, or if not streaming ,they can take over top-up tv and use their platform fprodcast these channels, , In the past I had a grey box (not sure what it can do nowadays) but at the time you could not even create a playlist specially for the short kids programs.