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Old 30-06-2010, 12:19
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That's alright considering it was a repeat.

Any idea how the first World Cup game did yesterday on ITV (inc HD) at 2:30pm? It went on until 6pm as it went into penalties.
Don't know the average, but it peaked at 4.3 million viewers and a 24.2% audience share.

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Old 30-06-2010, 12:20
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Do you know how Panorama did on Monday night at 8:30 on BBC One?

Many Thanks.
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Old 30-06-2010, 12:30
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Don't know the average, but it peaked at 4.3 million viewers and a 24.2% audience share.

Source: Media-Tel.
Solid peak there.
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Old 30-06-2010, 12:34
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2.43m.... at least it was almost 2.5m
Im still quite happy about the match last night, thought it would do well, but no way did i think it would peak 10m+... it was a match most would have wanted to watch.
I reckon Ronaldo draws alot of interest-alot wanting to see how he reacts when the team got dumped out and quite a few revelling in it.. In truth Portugal were poor.
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Old 30-06-2010, 12:35
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Emmerdale a bit bad......
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Old 30-06-2010, 13:07
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Even with England gone, there's still a healthy appetite for the World Cup and 10.21 peak audience for Portugal v Spain will please the BBC. Barring yesterday afternoon, the other knockout matches have been good.
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:02
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Do you know how Panorama did on Monday night at 8:30 on BBC One?

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2.4m (10%)
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:06
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Cheers for that!
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:32
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Apparently ITV have not submitted a bid for Five. That's a relief at least. A joint bid between John De Mol, Big Brother creator and Greek broadcaster Antenna gives Big Brother fans some hope:

It is thought that if the joint bid with Antenna is successful, De Mol would provide content for Five.

De Mol created the Big Brother format when he ran Endemol and there is speculation that several long-running reality TV series, including Big Brother, could appear on Five should his bid with Antenna succeed, according to a report in on the FT.com website today.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...nnel-five-sale
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:36
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A joint bid between John De Mol, Big Brother creator and Greek broadcaster Antenna gives Big Brother fans some hope
The creatively bankrupt teaming up with the financially bankrupt. Five should go from success to success with that backing.

Fives problems are all about scale. THis does nothing to address that problem. The fact that ITV aren't interested suggests that Five doesnt have much future at all.
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:40
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The creatively bankrupt teaming up with the financially bankrupt. Five should go from success to success with that backing.

Fives problems are all about scale. THis does nothing to address that problem. The fact that ITV aren't interested suggests that Five doesnt have much future at all.
They were interested, since they are said to have considered a bid. But not interested enough to submit an offer. I'd suggest that has more to do with the financial climate than anything else.

That's fine. What could ITV bring to the party anyway? ITV1 is not exactly going from strength to strength is it?
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:57
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It highly likely it will be a European broadcasting company that will buy Five as ITV, BSkyB and Richard Desmond would face regulation problems.

I imagine Talkback Thames will be sold seperatly rather than together as it's bound to attract companies like Endemol, Shine Group etc due to its backcatalogue and formats. Shine already has a relationship with Fremantlemedia as they distribute some of their shows and formats like Masterchef in Australia and Merlin.
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Old 30-06-2010, 14:59
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. What could ITV bring to the party anyway?
Unrivalled Business success and decision making just look at On digital/ITV Digital, Friends Reunited, the Fa Cup deal......... It goes on and on.
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:08
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That's fine. What could ITV bring to the party anyway? ITV1
Merging the back office, sales and management structure. Buying power from independents and overseas.

The programming budget for five is basically locked anyway. There are long term deals for CSI, Neighbours, Home & Away, etc that tie up the vast majority of the discretionary programming budget.

Five's non-programming costs are too high relative to revenue. This deal wouldnt address that.The market isnt big enough for a stand alone Five in its current format of 1 terrestial plus 2 FTA digital channels. Thats the sad truth. And it aint going to get better for that business model next year or the year after.

I struggle to see how a Greek tv company that cant access capital markets is going to be able to bankroll fives outdated business model.
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:11
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Unrivalled Business success and decision making just look at On digital/ITV Digital, Friends Reunited, the Fa Cup deal......... It goes on and on.
A catalogue of failures. I'd forgotten just how bad ITV's track record is so thanks for the reminder.

Some other interesting stories doing the rounds today...

(1) BARB launches new virtual online meter trial:

BARB has launched a six-month trial to test the possibility of integrating PCs and laptops into its main panel for TV viewing.

The TV audience-measurement service is working with Kantar Media's TNS to recruit a panel of 75 homes for the trial, which will involve fitting every home PC with a virtual meter to track online viewing habits.

The meter will also allow viewers to register the audiovisual content they are watching. It is the first time this device has been tested, according to BARB.
Source & more: http://mediatel.co.uk/newsline/2010/...l-meter-trial/

(2) Flagship news programmes on the rise, except Channel 4 News:

Researchers found that the BBC News at Ten is the country’s most popular news programme, with an average audience in 2009 of 4.7 million.

It also noted a “fightback” by the ITV News at Ten which has piled on more than 100,000 viewers from its own low point in 2007 of 2.4 million.

Researchers found that audiences for Channel 4 News, standing at 791,000 in 2009, have dipped slightly over the period, losing an average of 150,000 viewers.

But the audience for Five News has grown from a low point of 548,000 in 2007 to its average figure of 768,000.
Source & more: http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...015570.article
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:16
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Unrivalled Business success and decision making just look at On digital/ITV Digital, Friends Reunited, the Fa Cup deal......... It goes on and on.
the attempts at diversification havent worked for ITV but the core channel management has worked well. They have 3 m/c stations that generate close on $200m of profit per annum and ITV1 is profitable. Without going through the painful re-organisations that ITV has done over the last 5 years the station would now be bankrupt
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:50
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Any list in this thread usually remove BARB's errors and dodgy decisions. I would hope this would continue with this one.
Like last year's farce, designed to keep 2nd April's EastEnders behind Coronation St?

All that effort, then a Christmas EastEnders episode wiped the floor with the rest of the year's soap ratings!
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:53
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It isn't a Barb error or a dodgy decision, it was done by both broadcasters in 2006 and accepted. This time ITV didn't bother to split it up.
Exactly. I wish people would quit with the sour grapes, just because their favourite channel is getting lower ratings through its own choice.
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:57
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At the end of the day, if you prefer the BARB method, then you can always look on their website for the Top 10s. They'll have England vs. Germany top even though it wasn't the most watched programme of the year by peak or match average or even coverage average - none of the three! I'll post my list (which would be a weighted overall average) and others can post their lists. It's up to you what you count as the Top 10!
The BARB list might miss the match out altogether, like they did with EastEnders one year.
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Old 30-06-2010, 15:58
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Like last year's farce, designed to keep 2nd April's EastEnders behind Coronation St?

All that effort, then a Christmas EastEnders episode wiped the floor with the rest of the year's soap ratings!
It will do this year as i think most of the oldies go to bed about 7 on xmas day
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Old 30-06-2010, 16:01
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Emmerdale a bit bad......
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I expect EastEnders to be bad tonight as well and even though it's a big epiosde is doesn't seem to have been promted and the Gap between Fri and tonight won't help and seeing a weds at 8:00pm is not it's normal slot i think Unders 7m(or just 7m)

Corrie will do better as it's on after Emmerdale
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Old 30-06-2010, 16:01
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The creatively bankrupt teaming up with the financially bankrupt. Five should go from success to success with that backing.

Fives problems are all about scale. THis does nothing to address that problem. The fact that ITV aren't interested suggests that Five doesnt have much future at all.
Channel 4 should have put a bid in for Five and switched a lot of the channel content over, e.g. dramas and imports off to Channel 4 with cheap documentaries off to Five. The ratings would most likely then be the right way round- Five deserves C4 ratings, with C4 deserving Five's. Five could basically become a FTA E4/More4 hybrid and manage to sustain about 1m viewers on average.

Also quite surprised ITV or Channel 4 didn't bid for it, they could have stripped it of its good programming, kept the Freeview slots if needed and then sold it again.

I hope Endemol aren't successful in buying Five and put Big Brother on it, that show has been flogged to death as it is and bringing it back is just public humiliation for all involved. Even Davina has said she doesn't want to do it if it goes to another channel.
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Old 30-06-2010, 16:02
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So Dragon's Den returns to BBC TWO on Wednesday 14th July at 9pm.

Undercover Boss is on C4 on Thursday 15th July @ 9pm.

And I see in tonight's Evening Standard that ITVs event A:3K has now been delayed (due to England's dismal performance) until June 2011 - it was due to take place on July 17th at the 02.
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Old 30-06-2010, 16:03
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So long as everyone knows that the World Cup ratings aren't of any use in comparisons, then I don't see why it matters. It has been discussed so often that I think everyone is well aware of the situation!
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Old 30-06-2010, 16:03
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Exactly. I wish people would quit with the sour grapes, just because their favourite channel is getting lower ratings through its own choice.
Its not "getting lower ratings". Its just about a league table.

People need to seriously lighten up about this and the usual guff from the newspapers and twitter. Are they seriously expecting Piers Morgan to twiiter to Alan Carr that his series average audience is 2.34531 times higher?
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