I expect we'll be getting a few one-off light entertainment commissions that ITV seem to specialise in as well.
The Ratings Thread (Part 10)
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Originally Posted by Agent F:
“I expect we'll be getting a few one-off light entertainment commissions that ITV seem to specialise in as well.”
“I expect we'll be getting a few one-off light entertainment commissions that ITV seem to specialise in as well.”
Celebrating The Carpenters was a bit of a surprise success for them last year so something like that could be tried again, I suppose.
10pm on a Saturday is quite hard to get right, I think.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Celebrating The Carpenters was a bit of a surprise success for them last year so something like that could be tried again, I suppose.
10pm on a Saturday is quite hard to get right, I think.”
“Celebrating The Carpenters was a bit of a surprise success for them last year so something like that could be tried again, I suppose.
10pm on a Saturday is quite hard to get right, I think.”
Do a lot of the audience switch to ITV or is it only like 2% of the X Factor/BGT show.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Have they said how long Life Stories will be? 6 episodes seems to be the usual run but they've got at least 15 weeks (maybe more) to fill and I'm A Celebrity will only take 3 of those.”
“Have they said how long Life Stories will be? 6 episodes seems to be the usual run but they've got at least 15 weeks (maybe more) to fill and I'm A Celebrity will only take 3 of those.”
Yeah Life Stories is 6 episodes. Piers has also filmed another When Piers Met special with Alan Sugar so that's another slot sorted. Phil Collins has filmed a One Night Only special like Rod Stewart's last year and Kylie is also doing a special. That only leaves 3-5 slots and one of them will be after the final weekend so that'll probably be another special. If they do start on August 21st then the last two episodes of Magic Numbers wil get the slot. That only leaves 2 slots which will either just be movie repeats or another couple of specials (there was a rumour a couple of months back that Piers Morgan was doing a Nelson Mandela special - not sure if that's actually happening though).
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“I think that is possible. Aside from 71 Degrees (which I think has a chance), none of the other factual stuff sounds like it will do too well.
I think the travelogues are probably more in keeping with Tuesdays factual output whereas Long Lost Family is more formatted. I think ITV will want to give it the best chance they can (it's from Wall To Wall - Who Do You Think You Are) to make it a returning series.”
“I think that is possible. Aside from 71 Degrees (which I think has a chance), none of the other factual stuff sounds like it will do too well.
I think the travelogues are probably more in keeping with Tuesdays factual output whereas Long Lost Family is more formatted. I think ITV will want to give it the best chance they can (it's from Wall To Wall - Who Do You Think You Are) to make it a returning series.”
Yeah they'll want to give it the best chance they can, although it does have two fairly big name presenters 9especially Davina) and if they market it well it should do OK anywhere as Wall To Wall have a good track record. It'll have Millionaire as a lead in if it goes on Tuesday and whilst I know that isn't a great lead in it's better than some factual rubbish that they'd run there if they didn't have Millionaire, and if they can get Nicky and Davina to do a Celebrity Millionaire and air it on the night that Long Lost Relatives launches it would give it a good boost.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“I think that is possible. Aside from 71 Degrees (which I think has a chance), none of the other factual stuff sounds like it will do too well.”
“I think that is possible. Aside from 71 Degrees (which I think has a chance), none of the other factual stuff sounds like it will do too well.”
Was 71 Degrees always intended to be held back for the autumn though - or is it just getting pushed further and further back in the schedules.
I thought originally it was supposed to air before the World Cup, then during the World Cup, then after the World Cup - and now it seems to be sometime this autumn, though I'd have thought if it was crap it would be burnt off in the summer.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Was 71 Degrees always intended to be held back for the autumn though - or is it just getting pushed further and further back in the schedules.
I thought originally it was supposed to air before the World Cup, then during the World Cup, then after the World Cup - and now it seems to be sometime this autumn, though I'd have thought if it was crap it would be burnt off in the summer.”
“Was 71 Degrees always intended to be held back for the autumn though - or is it just getting pushed further and further back in the schedules.
I thought originally it was supposed to air before the World Cup, then during the World Cup, then after the World Cup - and now it seems to be sometime this autumn, though I'd have thought if it was crap it would be burnt off in the summer.”
No one seems to know but it definitely wasn't going to air before the orld Cup as it was only filmed in April, and they'd never have run it during the World Cup. If anything it being pushed from Summer to Autumn is a positive sign as it shows they want to give it more of a chance.
The news that Richard Desmond is to buy Five doesn't bother me, the plans sounds like newspaper speak for made up stuff and TBH RTL left Five to their own devices and I expect he'll just let Airey and Woolfe do what they are doing at the moment. I expect Five will be featured through OK! and The Express in the same way The Sun promotes Sky1.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.
In regards to ITV, DCI Banks is expected in September according to Stephen Tomklinson.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.
In regards to ITV, DCI Banks is expected in September according to Stephen Tomklinson.
Seven
18:00 Seven News 1.55m
18:30 Today Tonight 1.50m
19:00 Home and Away 1.04m
19:30 Border Security (R) 0.96m
20:00 The Force: RBT 0.96m
20:30 Criminal Minds (Two Hour Season Premiere) 1.17m
Nine
18:00 Nine News 1.48m
18:30 A Current Affair 1.32m
19:00 Two and a Half Men (R) 1.11m
19:30 Two and a Half Men (R) 1.07m
20:00 The Big Bang Theory (R) 0.93m
20:30 Rescue Special Ops (4/13) 0.92m
Ten
17:00 Ten News at Five 0.93m
18:00 The Simpsons (R) 0.68m
18:30 Neighbours 0.63m
19:00 The 7pm Project 1.00m
19:30 MasterChef Australia 2.24m
20:30 Melbourne International Comedy Festival - Great Debate 2010: That Food is Better Than Sex 1.04m
18:00 Seven News 1.55m
18:30 Today Tonight 1.50m
19:00 Home and Away 1.04m
19:30 Border Security (R) 0.96m
20:00 The Force: RBT 0.96m
20:30 Criminal Minds (Two Hour Season Premiere) 1.17m
Nine
18:00 Nine News 1.48m
18:30 A Current Affair 1.32m
19:00 Two and a Half Men (R) 1.11m
19:30 Two and a Half Men (R) 1.07m
20:00 The Big Bang Theory (R) 0.93m
20:30 Rescue Special Ops (4/13) 0.92m
Ten
17:00 Ten News at Five 0.93m
18:00 The Simpsons (R) 0.68m
18:30 Neighbours 0.63m
19:00 The 7pm Project 1.00m
19:30 MasterChef Australia 2.24m
20:30 Melbourne International Comedy Festival - Great Debate 2010: That Food is Better Than Sex 1.04m
Originally Posted by Score:
“Yeah Life Stories is 6 episodes. Piers has also filmed another When Piers Met special with Alan Sugar so that's another slot sorted. Phil Collins has filmed a One Night Only special like Rod Stewart's last year and Kylie is also doing a special. That only leaves 3-5 slots and one of them will be after the final weekend so that'll probably be another special. If they do start on August 21st then the last two episodes of Magic Numbers wil get the slot. That only leaves 2 slots which will either just be movie repeats or another couple of specials (there was a rumour a couple of months back that Piers Morgan was doing a Nelson Mandela special - not sure if that's actually happening though).”
“Yeah Life Stories is 6 episodes. Piers has also filmed another When Piers Met special with Alan Sugar so that's another slot sorted. Phil Collins has filmed a One Night Only special like Rod Stewart's last year and Kylie is also doing a special. That only leaves 3-5 slots and one of them will be after the final weekend so that'll probably be another special. If they do start on August 21st then the last two episodes of Magic Numbers wil get the slot. That only leaves 2 slots which will either just be movie repeats or another couple of specials (there was a rumour a couple of months back that Piers Morgan was doing a Nelson Mandela special - not sure if that's actually happening though).”
The Alan Sugar thing could be interesting. He did something with Fiona Bruce a while back and he seemed his usual cantankerous self. I can't imagine that he'll be any more laid back with Piers!
The Mandela thing may just have been to up his status in the whole CNN thing!
On that note, NBC's Jeff Zucker dropped a pretty major hint last week. He said that Piers will be staying on America's Got Talent for 3 more years but that he has asked to work on another project on another channel.
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“Yeah they'll want to give it the best chance they can, although it does have two fairly big name presenters 9especially Davina) and if they market it well it should do OK anywhere as Wall To Wall have a good track record. It'll have Millionaire as a lead in if it goes on Tuesday and whilst I know that isn't a great lead in it's better than some factual rubbish that they'd run there if they didn't have Millionaire, and if they can get Nicky and Davina to do a Celebrity Millionaire and air it on the night that Long Lost Relatives launches it would give it a good boost.”
“Yeah they'll want to give it the best chance they can, although it does have two fairly big name presenters 9especially Davina) and if they market it well it should do OK anywhere as Wall To Wall have a good track record. It'll have Millionaire as a lead in if it goes on Tuesday and whilst I know that isn't a great lead in it's better than some factual rubbish that they'd run there if they didn't have Millionaire, and if they can get Nicky and Davina to do a Celebrity Millionaire and air it on the night that Long Lost Relatives launches it would give it a good boost.”
That does sound like a good idea - but a bit too much forward planning involved for ITV, I suspect!
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Was 71 Degrees always intended to be held back for the autumn though - or is it just getting pushed further and further back in the schedules.
I thought originally it was supposed to air before the World Cup, then during the World Cup, then after the World Cup - and now it seems to be sometime this autumn, though I'd have thought if it was crap it would be burnt off in the summer.”
“Was 71 Degrees always intended to be held back for the autumn though - or is it just getting pushed further and further back in the schedules.
I thought originally it was supposed to air before the World Cup, then during the World Cup, then after the World Cup - and now it seems to be sometime this autumn, though I'd have thought if it was crap it would be burnt off in the summer.”
I agree that if it was crap, they'd have burnt it off over the summer. The fact that they're holding it back makes me think it could get the Sunday slot. And given the nature of the show, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing which should be airing in the middle of summer!
I'm not sure that it was ever confirmed for the summer. It has definitely been filmed (early this year, I believe) which might have lead people to believe that it could be on over the summer?
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“18:30 Neighbours 0.63m”
“18:30 Neighbours 0.63m”
how do you kill a zombie?
Is Desmond a Neighbours fan?
Originally Posted by C14E:
“The Mandela thing may just have been to up his status in the whole CNN thing!
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“The Mandela thing may just have been to up his status in the whole CNN thing!
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The Nelson Mandela interview was supposed to be part of the South Africa WC special Piers did.
The documentary was supposed to be done by Sir Trevor Mcdonald who had secured an interview with Mandela. But Mcdonald pulled out and Piers replaced him but Mandelas people wouldn't give Piers the interview.
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The news that Richard Desmond is to buy Five doesn't bother me, the plans sounds like newspaper speak for made up stuff and TBH RTL left Five to their own devices and I expect he'll just let Airey and Woolfe do what they are doing at the moment. I expect Five will be featured through OK! and The Express in the same way The Sun promotes Sky1.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.”
“The news that Richard Desmond is to buy Five doesn't bother me, the plans sounds like newspaper speak for made up stuff and TBH RTL left Five to their own devices and I expect he'll just let Airey and Woolfe do what they are doing at the moment. I expect Five will be featured through OK! and The Express in the same way The Sun promotes Sky1.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.”
If the plans are true then it's reason to worry. But I don't think it's right to assume that he will definitely turn to tabloid TV.
Something tells me Rupert Murdoch doesn't watch Glee or Family Guy!
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Something tells me Rupert Murdoch doesn't watch Glee or Family Guy!”
“Something tells me Rupert Murdoch doesn't watch Glee or Family Guy!”
he might not watch them, but they were both comissioned by his FOX network.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“People getting carried away with Heartbeat's rating. It didn't have anything to do with BBC1's poor competition did it?
See if it still gets 6m when BBC1 are airing Countryfile or Antiques Roadshow against it.
See if it still gets 6m when it has to stand on it's own two feet without a Coronation Street lead in.
I also find it funny that people are suddenly blasting ITV for axing Heartbeat, these will be the same people who criticise ITV for showing 'rubbish like Heartbeat'. I've never heard so much praise for Heartbeat in this thread before.
Meanwhile on Five, a very unimpressive rating for their new show, considering all the hype. Five has been on air since 1997 so 1.5m is hardly a success. I'm also surprised why it was bigged up so much on here as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.”
“People getting carried away with Heartbeat's rating. It didn't have anything to do with BBC1's poor competition did it?
See if it still gets 6m when BBC1 are airing Countryfile or Antiques Roadshow against it.
See if it still gets 6m when it has to stand on it's own two feet without a Coronation Street lead in.
I also find it funny that people are suddenly blasting ITV for axing Heartbeat, these will be the same people who criticise ITV for showing 'rubbish like Heartbeat'. I've never heard so much praise for Heartbeat in this thread before.
Meanwhile on Five, a very unimpressive rating for their new show, considering all the hype. Five has been on air since 1997 so 1.5m is hardly a success. I'm also surprised why it was bigged up so much on here as if it was the best thing since sliced bread.”
What are you going on about? It had more viewers than Corrie! It could be argued, on that basis, that Heartbeat boosted Corrie by people tuning in for Heartbeat during Corrie's last few mins.
It will probably drop but if it can stabilise in the 5ms then it's still good considering they've done their level best to dent its ratings in order to justify axing it. Eg. airing the remainder of the episodes in the summer, splitting up series. Sort of backfired on them last night didn't it?
Heartbeat always did well after Corrie. A show shouldn't be axe-worthy just because it is boosted by other programming and wouldn't do as well without them. 6m is 6m wherever they came from. Not many ITV shows pull that kind of audience. You might as well axe Holby and dozens of other shows if you want to axe stuff dependent on lead-in. In fact just about anything that gets a boost airing after the soaps should go.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“The Alan Sugar thing could be interesting. He did something with Fiona Bruce a while back and he seemed his usual cantankerous self. I can't imagine that he'll be any more laid back with Piers!
The Mandela thing may just have been to up his status in the whole CNN thing!
On that note, NBC's Jeff Zucker dropped a pretty major hint last week. He said that Piers will be staying on America's Got Talent for 3 more years but that he has asked to work on another project on another channel.”
“The Alan Sugar thing could be interesting. He did something with Fiona Bruce a while back and he seemed his usual cantankerous self. I can't imagine that he'll be any more laid back with Piers!
The Mandela thing may just have been to up his status in the whole CNN thing!
On that note, NBC's Jeff Zucker dropped a pretty major hint last week. He said that Piers will be staying on America's Got Talent for 3 more years but that he has asked to work on another project on another channel.”
I'm sure that Sugar will be even more cantankerous especially for Piers! Rather amusingly, a fair bit of filming was constantly interrupted by people shouting abuse Piers (they went back to where Sugar grew up). I'd love it if they left some of it in:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...-question.html
Scroll down to Monday June 14 for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Mandela thing was made up, and I think it's pretty much a certainty that he'll get the Larry King job. Only 30 weeks a year though according to the tabloids last week which will leave him time to do AGT, Life Stories and the travel shows.
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“That does sound like a good idea - but a bit too much forward planning involved for ITV, I suspect!”
“That does sound like a good idea - but a bit too much forward planning involved for ITV, I suspect!”
True, forward planning isn't exactly one of their better traits!
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“he might not watch them, but they were both comissioned by his FOX network.”
“he might not watch them, but they were both comissioned by his FOX network.”
Exactly. The programming strategy of a channel isn't necessarily linked to the owners personality or their other businesses. If Desmond thinks he can make more money by continuing with US imports, then that's what he'll do. I'd take the "chat shows and reality" rumour with a pinch of salt at this stage.
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The news that Richard Desmond is to buy Five doesn't bother me, the plans sounds like newspaper speak for made up stuff and TBH RTL left Five to their own devices and I expect he'll just let Airey and Woolfe do what they are doing at the moment. I expect Five will be featured through OK! and The Express in the same way The Sun promotes Sky1.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.”
“The news that Richard Desmond is to buy Five doesn't bother me, the plans sounds like newspaper speak for made up stuff and TBH RTL left Five to their own devices and I expect he'll just let Airey and Woolfe do what they are doing at the moment. I expect Five will be featured through OK! and The Express in the same way The Sun promotes Sky1.
Desmond is only buying the channel not running it and I expect if he isn't happy with the current management, he'll find someone to replace one or two of them.”
Wish I was as optimistic as you mate but Five is currently loss making. He isn't going to pay over £100m for it, over 10% of his personal fortune and not make any changes. The newspaper stuff you mention could have been made up but sounds plausible for him given his other interests. I just fear he will take the channel in completely the wrong direction and undermine its progress over the past 7 years or so.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The thing to remember about Heartbeat is that it went to the low 4ms against stronger opposition than BBC1 put up last night. So while it did well, it's inflated from lack of opposition. Coronation Street did poorly - probably down to no promotion of the change of night. Taggart benefited from BBC1's laziness, and Don't Stop Believing did reasonably.”
“The thing to remember about Heartbeat is that it went to the low 4ms against stronger opposition than BBC1 put up last night. So while it did well, it's inflated from lack of opposition. Coronation Street did poorly - probably down to no promotion of the change of night. Taggart benefited from BBC1's laziness, and Don't Stop Believing did reasonably.”
Yeah but I stand by the fact that was down to ITV messing around with it. There was also the hot weather to contend with last night.
It's not even supposed to air in the summer so that's what was so good about last night's rating backfiring on ITV. They're trying to kill it off good and proper now to justify axing it and it goes and rates higher!
You couldn't make it up.I can see why they don't air it in the winter now though what with X Factor hogging up entire weekends these days. The genres are poles apart and it's not something that would capitalise on being around the X Factor. January would be better as DOI is less trendy than X Factor but they already have Wild at heart there which is enough drama for the old fogies. Maybe it doesn't have its place anymore...but last night's figures certainly tell us different. I hope last night's ratings will spark a trend that will prove us and ITV wrong. They have mucked around with too many popular shows lately it's as if they want to kill the main channel off or its credibility anyway. I understand about important demos but they need respect as well you can't just cater for the younger viewers and the ones with more money to spend. Are they seriously trying to tell us all their other output performs in the right demos? How many 16-34s does Emmerdale get?
As for The Bill if they hadn't revamped it it would have continued to rate very similar once people got used to the new time slot. But on Thursday it was getting 3.5m-4m which is not that terrible. Some 8pm episodes occasionally dropped to 4m anyway. Since moving it to Tuesday they have wrung its neck.
Originally Posted by open_ended:
“I can see why they don't air it in the winter now though what with X Factor hogging up entire weekends these days. The genres are poles apart and it's not something that would capitalise on being around the X Factor. January would be better as DOI is less trendy than X Factor but they already have Wild at heart there which is enough drama for the old fogies. Maybe it doesn't have its place anymore...but last night's figures certainly tell us different. I hope last night's ratings will spark a trend that will prove us and ITV wrong. They have mucked around with too many popular shows lately it's as if they want to kill the main channel off or its credibility anyway. I understand about important demos but they need respect as well you can't just cater for the younger viewers and the ones with more money to spend. Are they seriously trying to tell us all their other output performs in the right demos? How many 16-34s does Emmerdale get?”
“I can see why they don't air it in the winter now though what with X Factor hogging up entire weekends these days. The genres are poles apart and it's not something that would capitalise on being around the X Factor. January would be better as DOI is less trendy than X Factor but they already have Wild at heart there which is enough drama for the old fogies. Maybe it doesn't have its place anymore...but last night's figures certainly tell us different. I hope last night's ratings will spark a trend that will prove us and ITV wrong. They have mucked around with too many popular shows lately it's as if they want to kill the main channel off or its credibility anyway. I understand about important demos but they need respect as well you can't just cater for the younger viewers and the ones with more money to spend. Are they seriously trying to tell us all their other output performs in the right demos? How many 16-34s does Emmerdale get?”
According to the table put up by Rzt, Emmerdale gets 900,000 16-34's. Heartbeat averaged less than 300,000.
But that's not the only issue. The other demo (the one which most ITV drama survives on) is adults ABC1. Heartbeat's 2009 average there was 1.5m. No 2009 series got renewed on less than 2m.
Wild At Heart vs Heartbeat (2009):
Total: 7m vs 4.8m
A18-34: 1m (14%) vs 0.3m (6%)
ABC1: 2.7m (39%) vs 1.5m (33%)
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Wish I was as optimistic as you mate but Five is currently loss making. He isn't going to pay over £100m for it, over 10% of his personal fortune and not make any changes. The newspaper stuff you mention could have been made up but sounds plausible for him given his other interests. I just fear he will take the channel in completely the wrong direction and undermine its progress over the past 7 years or so.”
“Wish I was as optimistic as you mate but Five is currently loss making. He isn't going to pay over £100m for it, over 10% of his personal fortune and not make any changes. The newspaper stuff you mention could have been made up but sounds plausible for him given his other interests. I just fear he will take the channel in completely the wrong direction and undermine its progress over the past 7 years or so.”
TBH The three Fs years only worked to a degree but it was wehn Kevin Lygo joined the channel and actually was around the time CSI was getting popular that it wanted to get rid of that downmarket image. The foray into entertainment hasn't really worked either so I doubt introducing reality shows and chatshows would work especially as LFSF and Good Times have been disasters.
Channel 4 has a mix of popular factual and more serious stuff and it seems to work fine for them allowing them to take risks from time to time. I think if they should go for entertainment, it shouldn't be shiny floor shows but stuff like Undercover Boss or Masterchef which are cheaper but can draw in an audience. The Gadget Show is a great example because it is entertaining but informative at the same way plus Five make money from it through the competition and the spin-offs.
Milkshake should stay as it's PSB and cheap but I think Five should try and cut their news commitment with Ofcom and that way they get rid of Studio Five and replace with stuff which would rate better.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Exactly. The programming strategy of a channel isn't necessarily linked to the owners personality or their other businesses. If Desmond thinks he can make more money by continuing with US imports, then that's what he'll do. I'd take the "chat shows and reality" rumour with a pinch of salt at this stage.”
“Exactly. The programming strategy of a channel isn't necessarily linked to the owners personality or their other businesses. If Desmond thinks he can make more money by continuing with US imports, then that's what he'll do. I'd take the "chat shows and reality" rumour with a pinch of salt at this stage.”
FOX has taken risks with buying NFL, launching shows like The X Files, Glee and American Idol and being the only network with successful animated comedies. Its sister network FX has shown stuff like The Shield, Damages, Sons of Anarchy stuff which is daring and award winning.
Monday 19 July
- Who Do You Think You Are? launches to 6.64m (HD: 153k/0.6%), but Identity climbs over the 4.3m mark.
- EastEnders ahead of Corrie on a Monday for the first time in a long time.
- BBC One pips ITV1 in primetime
- Who Do You Think You Are? launches to 6.64m (HD: 153k/0.6%), but Identity climbs over the 4.3m mark.
- EastEnders ahead of Corrie on a Monday for the first time in a long time.
- BBC One pips ITV1 in primetime
Thanks for that Paul. EastEnders seem to be on a roll at the moment, where as Coronation Street seems to be struggling. I'm assuming that when September comes Corrie will go back ahead.
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“Wow, WDYTYA did very well... so I'm thinking C4 would have been trampled.”
“Wow, WDYTYA did very well... so I'm thinking C4 would have been trampled.”
After reading through this thread what you mean is did they trample on Big Brother
Originally Posted by all_night:
“After reading through this thread what you mean is did they trample on Big Brother”
“After reading through this thread what you mean is did they trample on Big Brother”
Well and the WW1 documentary which also went up against the soaps AND the first half of both The Silence and WDYTYA. I only watched the last half of the doc and I was sort of uncomfortable and disturbed by some of the images.
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