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ITV showing the Friday Quarter finals: Brazil vs. Netherlands, Ghana vs. Uruguay
BBC showing the Saturday Quarter finals: Argentina vs. Germany, Spain/Portugal vs. Japan/Paraguay. In terms of appealing matches, Brazil v Netherlands is better than the Saturday evening one, but I suppose the BBC wanted to have one primetime game.
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ITV showing the Friday Quarter finals: Brazil vs. Netherlands, Ghana vs. Uruguay
BBC showing the Saturday Quarter finals: Argentina vs. Germany, Spain/Portugal vs. Japan/Paraguay. In terms of appealing matches, Brazil v Netherlands is better than the Saturday evening one, but I suppose the BBC wanted to have one primetime game. A shame for Wimbledon - maybe I'm just forgetting they clash every two years (inc. Euros), but Wimbledon feels like it's been hit harder this year by BBC schedule clashes than in the past - probably due to the fact me and every other Freeview viewer in the country is getting much less coverage than the event has had for the last 8-9 years. |
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Unless there's any scheduling changes before Thursday - I thought I'd post this outstanding thing about Corrie:
Corrie as thus has been on incredibly sparse in the past few weeks: 14/06 - 19:30 14/06 - 20:30 16/06 - 19:30 17/06 - 20:30 ---- 20/06 - 19:30 24/06 - 19:30 ---- 30/06 - 19:30 01/07 - 20:30 ---- 04/07 - 20:30 Since a week last Thursday - it has only been on twice!
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ITV showing the Friday Quarter finals: Brazil vs. Netherlands, Ghana vs. Uruguay
BBC showing the Saturday Quarter finals: Argentina vs. Germany, Spain/Portugal vs. Japan/Paraguay. In terms of appealing matches, Brazil v Netherlands is better than the Saturday evening one, but I suppose the BBC wanted to have one primetime game. |
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I'm not a fan of the both games per day split, it just feels like all or nothing.
Scheduling wise this World Cup has been fairly non disruptive in that the prime time games fit nicely into 7-10pm, and the 6 and 10pm news slots have been uneffected. The Corrie backlog isn't really a problem, as they can slot shows in on Wednesdays and Sundays, both fairly normal slots for Corrie. |
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Stunning ratings for the football yesterday. (Why do we always seem to start a new thread the day a big rating event is reported?) Never expected a 19.5m peak at 4.20pm on the hottest day of the year. Sensational. The 18m-ish match average is also amazing. An honourable mention for GeorgeS's valiant attempt at claiming it as "so-so" - you need to try harder than that... ![]() Nobody seems to have commented that with BARB's reporting methods for the officials (BBC1 split into pre-match, match and post-match; ITV not), BBC1/HD's match figures for yesterday are very likely to take the top slot for 2010 in the BARB official numbers - even though the Algeria match on ITV1 was clearly the most-watched thing on telly this year. I think we need to set up a Ratings Thread sub-committee to thrash out the ground-rules for the Top 20 table this year. I'll chair, if you want... ![]() Quote:
BBC1 - 32.6% Christmas Day falls early again this year then, George? BBC2 - 11.5% ITV1 - 8.8% C4 - 5.4% C5 - 3.5% Multichannel - 38.2% ![]() Looks like BBC1's getting at least 2 Christmas Days in this year though... Those percentages are the wrong end of a 4-1 scoreline for ITV1 if ever there was one. ![]() Quote:
ITV showing the Friday Quarter finals: Brazil vs. Netherlands, Ghana vs. Uruguay
BBC showing the Saturday Quarter finals: Argentina vs. Germany, Spain/Portugal vs. Japan/Paraguay. In terms of appealing matches, Brazil v Netherlands is better than the Saturday evening one, but I suppose the BBC wanted to have one primetime game. Quote:
What the BBC wants, the BBC gets.
What the BBC negotiates with ITV is what the BBC gets - ITV got its guaranteed two prime time England games, the 18m audiences, the 20/21m peaks, the advertising millions; BBC got the right to first picks in the later stages in return for handing ITV those exclusive opening prime-time guaranteed England games. Your lot negotiated that deal and got what they wanted - so quit whingeing. |
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Curse of ITV update - did I see in my paper today that ITV had one of its two new expensively acquired breakfast TV presenters (the female one) in the Bloemfontein stadium crowd yesterday?
No wonder we lost. Or that her boyfriend had a legitimate equaliser ruled out shortly after she defected to ITV.
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Curse of ITV update - did I see in my paper today that ITV had one of its two new expensively acquired breakfast TV presenters (the female one) in the Bloemfontein stadium crowd yesterday?
No wonder we lost. Or that her boyfriend had a legitimate equaliser ruled out shortly after she defected to ITV. ![]()
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Does anyone know how well River City performs compared to what airs in it's slot in the rest of the UK, usually Holby City
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Stunning ratings for the football yesterday. (Why do we always seem to start a new thread the day a big rating event is reported?)
Never expected a 19.5m peak at 4.20pm on the hottest day of the year. Sensational. The 18m-ish match average is also amazing. An honourable mention for GeorgeS's valiant attempt at claiming it as "so-so" - you need to try harder than that... ![]() Nobody seems to have commented that with BARB's reporting methods for the officials (BBC1 split into pre-match, match and post-match; ITV not), BBC1/HD's match figures for yesterday are very likely to take the top slot for 2010 in the BARB official numbers - even though the Algeria match on ITV1 was clearly the most-watched thing on telly this year. I think we need to set up a Ratings Thread sub-committee to thrash out the ground-rules for the Top 20 table this year. I'll chair, if you want... ![]() Christmas Day falls early again this year then, George? ![]() Looks like BBC1's getting at least 2 Christmas Days in this year though... Those percentages are the wrong end of a 4-1 scoreline for ITV1 if ever there was one. ![]() Strange choice for the Beeb. Arg v Ger certainly, but thought they'd have gone for the Brazil clash too when they had the right to pick the best two. Codswallop. What the BBC negotiates with ITV is what the BBC gets - ITV got its guaranteed two prime time England games, the 18m audiences, the 20/21m peaks, the advertising millions; BBC got the right to first picks in the later stages in return for handing ITV those exclusive opening prime-time guaranteed England games. Your lot negotiated that deal and got what they wanted - so quit whingeing. |
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From a commercial point of view it would have been more embarassing to ITV if they had bought the rights to the England quarter final and, of course, they hadn't qualified. ITV knew by getting two group matches at night they were guaranteed a huge audience.
Mind you, the Cowell thing isn't guaranteed any more is it...
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Nobody seems to have commented that with BARB's reporting methods for the officials (BBC1 split into pre-match, match and post-match; ITV not), BBC1/HD's match figures for yesterday are very likely to take the top slot for 2010 in the BARB official numbers - even though the Algeria match on ITV1 was clearly the most-watched thing on telly this year.
I think we need to set up a Ratings Thread sub-committee to thrash out the ground-rules for the Top 20 table this year. 1. The way BARB will possibly do it: using BBC 'match only' and ITV 'whole coverage' World Cup ratings provided by BARB. This would mean BBC1 would be top with England vs. Germany. 2. Using 'match only' World Cup ratings for both BBC1 and ITV1. The BBC1 ratings are reported by BARB, match overnights (provided by Media Guardian) could be used for ITV1. For football matches, the comparable overnights and officials are virtually the same anyway as no-one timeshifts live football. ITV1 would be top via this method with England vs. Algeria. 3. Using 'whole coverage' World Cup ratings for both BBC1 and ITV1. ITV1's are reported by BARB. BBC1's overnights could be used. BBC1 would be top via this method with EastEnders. Personally, I'd go with Option 3 because it makes if fair for all shows that the 'whole coverage' ratings are used. I mean, you don't see the X Factor, EastEnders or Strictly final having 3 separate ratings based on the portion of a show like the World Cup. They have one rating like it should be. But I know people would prefer option 1 or 2. The argument for option 2 is that historically BARB has reported the Top 10s in World Cup years based on 'match-only' ratings and some may feel it should remain that way this year. Option 1 is clearly the unfairest IMO as it wouldn't give a proper reflection of what the most watched programmes of the year are (in the correct order). Oh, then there's the issue of whether there should be just one World Cup match in the list, one match per broadcaster, or all matches which make the grade from both broadcasters (which is what BARB usually does)! |
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Short of getting Cowell to trot out a new talent show format, it's probably the only way of guaranteeing a huge audience these days.
Mind you, the Cowell thing isn't guaranteed any more is it... ![]() |
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Yes, there'll be a few problems compiling the 'Top 10/20 of the Year' chart this time round. As I see it, there's three ways it could be done:
1. The way BARB will possibly do it: using BBC 'match only' and ITV 'whole coverage' World Cup ratings provided by BARB. This would mean BBC1 would be top with England vs. Germany. 2. Using 'match only' World Cup ratings for both BBC1 and ITV1. The BBC1 ratings are reported by BARB, match overnights (provided by Media Guardian) could be used for ITV1. For football matches, the comparable overnights and officials are virtually the same anyway as no-one timeshifts live football. ITV1 would be top via this method with England vs. Algeria. 3. Using 'whole coverage' World Cup ratings for both BBC1 and ITV1. ITV1's are reported by BARB. BBC1's overnights could be used. BBC1 would be top via this method with EastEnders. ![]() I do think there's something in the fact that this is the traditional way of reporting football match coverage over the years. If you use overnights as per 2 or 3, we are compromising the list by using a mix of official and unofficial ratings. On balance, and simply because of BARB using different methodologies, I think option 3 is fairest - presumably for the purposes of what appears in the top 20, we would probably be able to "construct" the official whole coverage BBC ratings because the pre/match/post will all appear in the BARB top 30 for the week in question? I do think each "match coverage" which has enough viewers to get in the Top 20 deserves to be there - and not just having the one world cup rating, for England v Algeria. If 6 or 7 matches are strong enough to make the grade, then put them all in. |
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Thats a very good spot Robbie.
![]() Instead, they'll be preparing to host a programme in a graveyard slot nobody will be watching. Karma! I do think The Curse has excelled itself this time round. No wonder Fabio and the boys all look so shell shocked! |
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On balance, and simply because of BARB using different methodologies, I think option 3 is fairest - presumably for the purposes of what appears in the top 20, we would probably be able to "construct" the official whole coverage BBC ratings because the pre/match/post will all appear in the BARB top 30 for the week in question?
But it could be difficult as we'll have to rely on BARB reporting 3 BBC1 ratings and 3 BBC HD ratings for each broadcast in their lists to construct the 'official whole coverage' rating. The BBC1 ratings should be no problem, but I suspect the pre-match HD figure might not chart which would cause an issue. I guess we'll have to wait and see what charts and what doesn't! |
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Unless there's any scheduling changes before Thursday - I thought I'd post this outstanding thing about Corrie:
Corrie as thus has been on incredibly sparse in the past few weeks: 14/06 - 19:30 14/06 - 20:30 16/06 - 19:30 17/06 - 20:30 ---- 20/06 - 19:30 24/06 - 19:30 ---- 30/06 - 19:30 01/07 - 20:30 ---- 04/07 - 20:30 Since a week last Thursday - it has only been on twice! ![]() ![]() ![]() Na im sure they will catch up at some point likely to have a weeks worth of episodes at some point(for Im a celeb if thats back soon?) |
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And thats twice too much
![]() ![]() Na im sure they will catch up at some point likely to have a weeks worth of episodes at some point(for Im a celeb if thats back soon?) |
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They will make sure they catchup soon enough. Im expecting a few weeks with at least 7 Corries being aired.
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They will make sure they catchup soon enough. Im expecting a few weeks with at least 7 Corries being aired.
i thing the BBC did better with Fitting EastEnders in and allthough we've had some breaks they are not really behind |
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ITV poised to sign James Corden in a £6 million "golden handcuffs" deal, according to The Mirror: Quote:
Gavin and Stacey actor James Corden is poised to become ITV’s third highest paid star in a £6million, three-year golden handcuffs deal. He's really not worth all that money! I'm guessing the "300% more viewers than forecast" bit is referring to the ITV4 ratings, as his show's done average at best on ITV1.
Insiders say ITV is keen to lure the Bafta-winner, 32, from the BBC by offering him his own primetime chat show and comedy series. They claim James is now seen as “ITV1’s golden boy” after his World Cup Live show pulled in 300% more viewers than forecast. If he accepts, he will be the station’s third biggest signing, behind Simon Cowell on £10million a year and Ant and Dec, on £5million. But sources say James, who is in talks with the BBC, will only switch if he is offered more to move than One Show defector Adrian Chiles, 43. An insider said: “James’ football show was a roaring success. ITV are desperate to get him on an exclusive deal. But he’s a canny businessman and will only accept if it’s worth more than Chiles’ £6million over four years.” |
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Constructing an 'official figure' from the BARB ratings is definitely possible.
But it could be difficult as we'll have to rely on BARB reporting 3 BBC1 ratings and 3 BBC HD ratings for each broadcast in their lists to construct the 'official whole coverage' rating. The BBC1 ratings should be no problem, but I suspect the pre-match HD figure might not chart which would cause an issue. I guess we'll have to wait and see what charts and what doesn't! ![]() One things for sure though - our methodology will be more consistent than BARB's! We have - er - shall we say "concerned observers", who would be first to point out any unfairness in the numbers.
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ITV poised to sign James Corden in a £6 million "golden handcuffs" deal, according to The Mirror:
"Lure him from the BBC", he doesnt work there, he seemed to be getting more pally with Sky. "ITV1's golden boy" LOL, just LOL. "His World Cup Live show pulled in 300% more viewers than forecast" .They must have extremely low expectations then. |
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ITV poised to sign James Corden in a £6 million "golden handcuffs" deal, according to The Mirror:
He's really not worth all that money! I'm guessing the "300% more viewers than forecast" bit is referring to the ITV4 ratings, as his show's done average at best on ITV1. His World Cup show is OK - but its propped up by a considerable, demographically perfect inheritance. And with all these other stars, do they need another chatshow?I suppose they want him for the comedy projects too - but after watching 'Horne and Corden' on BBC Three, I had concluded that Ruth Jones was the real genius behind Gavin and Stacey... |
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ITV & James Corden, £6 million?
Come on, are they being serious? |
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