[Soundburst]

Surely some kind of record.

Then you've people like me who are locked in a contract so theoretically 1.700001million iPhone 4's!

It's a crazy number, anyone know how it compares to the 3GS figures?

iPhone just grows and grows. Then again it's to be expected. The worlds most innovative phone, a phone that changed the way we look at touchscreen portable devices, portable net use, etc etc just got better so it's only natural sales go from strength to strength.

Just one model of a phone too . . . it's not like those other ones hardware makers who have about 20 phones on the market at once

edit: Apple sold *just* 1 million iPhone 3GS in the first 3 days of release according to the guardian. Massive Increase.

[jim_uk]

How much to they pay you to do their marketing on here?

[cooltv]

I would say most of the people in the UK that have one of these iPhone 4's are adults.

[sensoria]

and peopel think it's genorous that they offered krispy cream doughnuts to people queign on the day..................508+million gives you that

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

The worlds most innovative phone, a phone that changed the way we look at touchscreen portable devices, portable net use, etc etc just got better so it's only natural sales go from strength to strength.

Just one model of a phone too . . . it's not like those other ones hardware makers who have about 20 phones on the market at once

edit: Apple sold *just* 1 million iPhone 3GS in the first 3 days of release according to the guardian. Massive Increase.

The iPhone was never innovative, its just a mild evolution. With some of the best marketing the world has ever seen, run by a guy with a very single minded, almost dictatorial vision of what the world should be.

One model of phone is one of the iPhones strongest points though. Go into a store, look for a Droid phone. How the **** do you choose from one of the potentially hundred variants? Its just easier to choose the iPhone.

One thing that may well have increased the uptake is that people who bought into the iPhone 3G came in on 24 month contracts, and are now eligible for upgrades - they weren't eligible 12 months back.

[Soundburst]

The iPhone is innovative.

Look at pre-iPhone touch screens. Bleugh. Gross. Stylus controlled fiddly unresponsive mess.

As for the reason of growth being 3G contracts ending - nope. The 3GS would have had people subscribing from iPhone 1.

The enormous growth is due to this being the best iPhone ever. A massively featured powerhouse with access to a world of applications sorted beautifully in one easy to use program that also syncs your favourite music to the device.

I expect the next iPhone will sell even more - but you have to wonder - how can Apple possibly top iPhone 4.

It's user friendly, runs the worlds best operating system, secure, powerful, has a good camera, access to iTunes App Store and music functionality, a built in iPod, the worlds most pioneering portable web browser.

In the words of the latest VW Golf advert:

Sometimes, the only one you have to beat, is yourself.

[clonmult]

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

The iPhone is innovative.

Look at pre-iPhone touch screens. Bleugh. Gross. Stylus controlled fiddly unresponsive mess.

Thats evolution, not innovation.

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As for the reason of growth being 3G contracts ending - nope. The 3GS would have had people subscribing from iPhone 1.

The enormous growth is due to this being the best iPhone ever. A massively featured powerhouse with access to a world of applications sorted beautifully in one easy to use program that also syncs your favourite music to the device.

Thats a lot of faith in Apple getting it right, but I'm surprised at the sheer volume of sales, its totally out of proportion.

Its a good device, but you're giving it almost god like qualities ...

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I expect the next iPhone will sell even more - but you have to wonder - how can Apple possibly top iPhone 4.

It possibly will, but how can they top it? A xenon flash, improved battery life, optical zoom (surely someones got to do a decent optical zoom in a phone soon?), improved sound quality (the iPod range has only ever been good enough on sq, its never been excellent)

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It's user friendly, runs the worlds best operating system, secure, powerful, has a good camera, access to iTunes App Store and music functionality, a built in iPod, the worlds most pioneering portable web browser.

It is user friendly, but to say its got the worlds best operating system is ..... untrue. Wheres the easy bluetooth file transfer. Has full A2DP support been added yet?

Its definitely not secure, at least not as secure as a BB.

As for having the worlds most pioneering web browser, its just another webkit based browser. As seen on Symbian and Android devices. So nothing really new there either.

The iPhone is a good bit of kit, but the constant god-like status thats attributed to it is definitely getting tiring.

[howley20]

They have probably shifted 1.7 million units because so many are bloody faulty, id love to know what the return rate is on faulty units, bet apple arent so forthcoming with those figures.

[Soundburst]

You're getting confused.

Innovation is introducing new things.

iPhone does that.

Multi-touch display to which they own the patent.
Auto rotating.
The implementation of cut, copy, paste.
Sensors that dictate a number of functions including a proximity sensor to turn off the screen when close to the fact.
Antenna that is the case , leaving more room for battery.
Those are only drops in the ocean to what was announced for the iPhone.

Some of those implementations are extremely innovative. In some cases from scratch - in other places patented processes that innovate in how some features that previously existed , now work.

Apple don't just evolve features. They think outside the box. They think about the hardware and software available - and completely redo it all to make it simple.

Where other companies use what's already there and follow the status quo - Apple research and develop.

They're not Americas most innovative company (Fortune and Business week) for nothing

[howley20]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

You're getting confused.

Innovation is introducing new things.

iPhone does that.

Multi-touch display to which they own the patent.
Auto rotating.
The implementation of cut, copy, paste.
Sensors that dictate a number of functions including a proximity sensor to turn off the screen when close to the fact.
Antenna that is the case , leaving more room for battery.
Those are only drops in the ocean to what was announced for the iPhone.

Some of those implementations are extremely innovative. In some cases from scratch - in other places patented processes that innovate in how some features that previously existed , now work.

Apple don't just evolve features. They think outside the box. They think about the hardware and software available - and completely redo it all to make it simple.

Where other companies use what's already there and follow the status quo - Apple research and develop.

They're not Americas most innovative company (Fortune and Business week) for nothing

I think someone needs to google 'Patents' and possibly 'nokia sues apple over patents' 'kodak sue apple over patent' and another one 'Elan Microelectronics sues apple over patents'

Then look at what apple are suing over, mainly the OS and the interface of the OS like how a htc phone has a similar gesture of unlocking the screen like the iphone does, nothing really to do with technology inside the phones.

Apple arent innovators, they use technology that others have developed, apple wouldnt have a phone if it wasnt for the billions of pounds that nokia have put into research and development, yes nokia arent doing to grand at the mo with producing great phones, but its them who designed most of the tech inside of the iphones and ipad 3gs, to be honest i think any mobile phone would have nokias technology inside them.

[alanwarwic]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

iPhone just grows and grows. Then again it's to be expected. The worlds most innovative phone, a phone that changed the way we look at touchscreen portable devices, portable net use, etc etc just got better so it's only natural sales go from strength to strength.

Android is innovation,
Apple's is semi-crippled with a better selection of games.

No doubt the iPhone4 has a quite tiny screen not for the customer's benefit, but so that Apple can sell more 5" screen gadgets if/when they arrive.

Funny how the Archos 5 uses the same A8 CPU as the iPad and was a good 18 months ahead on release.
Incidentally Blackberry expect to sell 60 million smartphones this year.

[moox]

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

One model of phone is one of the iPhones strongest points though. Go into a store, look for a Droid phone. How the **** do you choose from one of the potentially hundred variants? Its just easier to choose the iPhone.

One thing that may well have increased the uptake is that people who bought into the iPhone 3G came in on 24 month contracts, and are now eligible for upgrades - they weren't eligible 12 months back.

Two more points:

I don't know how the App Store works on this (or whether you can do this), but those who have sunk costs into applications for an iPod touch or previous iPhone won't want to lose their money. They'll keep buying iPhones to avoid re-buying software.

It seems that those who do want an iPhone already know that they want one, they don't browse in the store or online. Compare this to other phones where people might compare models before making a decision.

[moox]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

You're getting confused.

Innovation is introducing new things.

iPhone does that.

Multi-touch display to which they own the patent.
Auto rotating.
The implementation of cut, copy, paste.
Sensors that dictate a number of functions including a proximity sensor to turn off the screen when close to the fact.
Antenna that is the case , leaving more room for battery.
Those are only drops in the ocean to what was announced for the iPhone.

Some of those implementations are extremely innovative. In some cases from scratch - in other places patented processes that innovate in how some features that previously existed , now work.

Apple don't just evolve features. They think outside the box. They think about the hardware and software available - and completely redo it all to make it simple.

Where other companies use what's already there and follow the status quo - Apple research and develop.

They're not Americas most innovative company (Fortune and Business week) for nothing

You seem to have drunk too much of the kool-aid. Just about everything on your list has been implemented before (except for maybe the case as antenna - but we all know how well that has turned out). All Apple has done, quite simply, is copy it. They then use their unique marketing machine and the fanboy base to hype it up to the max.

Other manufacturers don't have this, neither does Google really.

Could you tell me what exactly Apple researches and develops?

Nokia, for example, owns patents that make the iPhone different to the iPod touch. Apple's groundbreaking patents seem to be on more vacuous topics (and on some of those, it leaves you wondering how they were granted them due to the overwhelming amount of prior art)

[ACU]

wow thats a lot of mugs.

You have got to hand it to Apple, their advertising is second to none.

[Soundburst]

Lmao at "Android innovation iPhone not".

To put bed to this argument over Apple not innovating... Smartphones are mass Market today. Because of iPhone.

Apple have bridged the gap - a powerful phone for everyone. Business. Consumer.

If it weren't for iPhone smartphones would be Blakberry style and the rest would have a random handset like a Nokia 7710i (or whatever they're called)

Apple have pushed the smartphone Market into te consumer decision via a great OS that works for standard consumers (including grannies !) and businessmen.

Apples innovation has created this - I mean smartphones would still be for the elite.

As I said earlier , some are getting confused. Look up the meanings of innovation

[jim_uk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

Lmao at "Android innovation iPhone not".

To put bed to this argument over Apple not innovating... Smartphones are mass Market today. Because of iPhone.

Apple have bridged the gap - a powerful phone for everyone. Business. Consumer.

If it weren't for iPhone smartphones would be Blakberry style and the rest would have a random handset like a Nokia 7710i (or whatever they're called)

Apple have pushed the smartphone Market into te consumer decision via a great OS that works for standard consumers (including grannies !) and businessmen.

Apples innovation has created this - I mean smartphones would still be for the elite.

As I said earlier , some are getting confused. Look up the meanings of innovation

What on earth are you on and where can I get some?

[moox]

The rest of your post is just more Jobs love-in rhetoric, but the bit about "the iPhone made smartphones mass market" is especially risible.

If the iPhone is what got smartphones to the masses, why does Apple barely hover around 10% worldwide marketshare, whereas Symbian is ~50%?

[clonmult]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

You're getting confused.

Innovation is introducing new things.

iPhone does that.

Multi-touch display to which they own the patent.
Auto rotating.
The implementation of cut, copy, paste.
Sensors that dictate a number of functions including a proximity sensor to turn off the screen when close to the fact.
Antenna that is the case , leaving more room for battery.
Those are only drops in the ocean to what was announced for the iPhone.

Some of those implementations are extremely innovative. In some cases from scratch - in other places patented processes that innovate in how some features that previously existed , now work.

Multi touch - bought from another company (Jeff Hahn?), they did categorically *not* invent it.
Auto rotate - strangely similar functionality was on WM and Symbian prior to the iPhone.
Proximity sensor - well established on other platforms (the N73 had one iirc)
Antenna that is part of the case - not exactly new, and as we know it does have its flaws. Although its a given that a hand will cause interference, having it as a visible part of the case than you can effectively "short out" is a mistake - although there are claims that was a manufacturing defect, and the antennae should have been coated - some appear to have missed this step.

And as for the comment "smartphones are mass market because of iPhone". Thats absolutely ludicrous. Now, if Apple had shifted more iPhones than any other maker, fine. But they haven't. WM had difficulty with getting mass market (as it was a mess), but Symbian was (and still is) doing great in sales across consumer and business.

Whatever you're on, could I have some. Please?

[ShaunIOW]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

Lmao at "Android innovation iPhone not".

To put bed to this argument over Apple not innovating... Smartphones are mass Market today. Because of iPhone.

Apple have bridged the gap - a powerful phone for everyone. Business. Consumer.

If it weren't for iPhone smartphones would be Blakberry style and the rest would have a random handset like a Nokia 7710i (or whatever they're called)

Apple have pushed the smartphone Market into te consumer decision via a great OS that works for standard consumers (including grannies !) and businessmen.

Apples innovation has created this - I mean smartphones would still be for the elite.

As I said earlier , some are getting confused. Look up the meanings of innovation

The iphone isn't innovative - all apple has done is use clever marketing to take us back to 2003 when we had PDA's with built-in mobile phone, wireless, bluetooth, video/music players, downloadable apps and games, touch screen, web browsers etc which lost popularity due to their size and battery life in favour of smaller, sleeker mobiles with long life batteries - there's nothing new, it's all been done before - apple just found a way to repackage and resell it.

As for 1.7m sold - how many are to new owners rather than prior iphone owners having to have the latest incarnation whatever the price? Mostly the later I'd say going by the amount of 3GS and earlier iphones trying to be shifted on various forums.

[Soundburst]

OK. If you people can't look at the phones before iPhone - and phones now then I'm afraid there's no room for discussion.

Thread can close.

[moox]

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Originally Posted by Soundburst

OK. If you people can't look at the phones before iPhone - and phones now then I'm afraid there's no room for discussion.

Thread can close.

You could instead give us a proper reason as to why Apple are so wonderful, rather than parroting the Apple marketing drivel on it and claiming it is gospel.

We all know that Apple rarely innovate, they simply copy with a slight improvement, then use marketing and fanboyism to hype it up.

[Soundburst]

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

You could instead give us a proper reason as to why Apple are so wonderful, rather than parroting the Apple marketing drivel on it and claiming it is gospel.

We all know that Apple rarely innovate, they simply copy with a slight improvement, then use marketing and fanboyism to hype it up.

Yes that's right.

Remember the hype when Apple released the first iPhone and every major media outlet went:

"WOW. A phone, an internet communications device, a widescreen touchscreen iPod."

Then they used it. . . and it changed the way we view phones forever.

Samsung Phone Announced December 2006 (Samsungs typical phone of the day):
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_p900-1427.php

iPhone announced January 2007:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

Samsung Phone Today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_vibrant-3416.php

Nokia Phone announced February 2007:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e61i-1858.php

iPhone announced January 2007:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

Nokia Phone today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_x6_8gb-3397.php

On that site. . .you can select a vendor on the left.

Pick one. Any one. On the page you see a massive list of all their phones. . .go back a few pages to 2007. Have a look at them. Notice anything about Samsung? . . .two are touchscreen.

Samsungs? . . .TFT resistive touchscreen (lol! ), 256k colours. . .240x320. . .bog standard OS that doesn't utilize the touch screen effectively. . .it's just a standard OS with touch buttons enabled. . . WAP2.0/xHTML.

iPhone?. . .capacitive touchscreen. . .16million colors. . .320x480. . .3.5 inches. . multitouch. . .accelerometer for auto rotate. . .auto on/off face sensor. . .scratch resistance surface. . fully featured portable OS, built for touch utilizing the technology expanding photos, swiping to delete, things that *seem the norm* today .. . full HTML web browser.

How people say the iPhone didn't spark a revolution in mobile telephones I'll just never know.

Check out phones on that site. . .pre-iPhone. . . post-iPhone.

Apple changed the market. It's influence is just undeniable I'm afraid.

[jim_uk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

Thread can close.

The first sensible thing you've posted in this thread.

[clonmult]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soundburst

Yes that's right.

Remember the hype when Apple released the first iPhone and every major media outlet went:

"WOW. A phone, an internet communications device, a widescreen touchscreen iPod."

Amazingly, for years before that phones were using webkit based browsers, browsing the web, playing music ...

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Nokia Phone announced February 2007:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_e61i-1858.php

What about a Nokia phone announced the year before ...
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n95-1716.php
N95 - the camera has only now been equalled (possibly bettered) by the iPhone 4. It had GPS, *full* multi tasking, webkit based browser, high quality music playback, full A2DP (still not supported on the iPhone 4?)

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Nokia Phone today:
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_x6_8gb-3397.php

What about other Nokia phones of today?
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n900-2917.php
N900 - basically a full PC in your pocket. An evolution of the 770 announced in mid 2005. The iPhone 4 has only just got around to improving on a 5 year old screen resolution.

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On that site. . .you can select a vendor on the left.

Pick one. Any one. On the page you see a massive list of all their phones. . .go back a few pages to 2007. Have a look at them. Notice anything about Samsung? . . .two are touchscreen.

Look at the SE touchscreens - P800 back in 2002. Okay, it doesn't look so good now, but thats 9 year old tech (development will have started years before release)

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iPhone?. . .capacitive touchscreen. . .16million colors. . .320x480. . .3.5 inches. . multitouch. . .accelerometer for auto rotate. . .auto on/off face sensor. . .scratch resistance surface. . fully featured portable OS, built for touch utilizing the technology expanding photos, swiping to delete, things that *seem the norm* today .. . full HTML web browser.

16 million colour screen - been done by plenty of others before, but to be honest you can't tell the difference between a 262k screen and a 16m colour screen

Auto rotate - done before. Face sensor - done before. Full featured portable OS - done before (and only just getting to a mature state on the iPhone).

Please, you're coming across as a rabid fanboi who absolutely refuses to understand this discussion.

Apple have definitely changed the market in one big way - their dealings with the operators are totally different to what was done before. That is definitely innovation - dictating to the operators how things would work. Which is pretty darned cool.

[Soundburst]

You proved my point with the Nokia N95 link.

You're correct *that's* what "smartphones" were back then.

Look at it.

Look at smartphones now. That was my point. It was well made in the above post - for fairness I posted the latest Nokia handset to be announced. . a fully touchscreen phone that looks very nice.

I am satisfied that my last post put end to anyone who thought the Apple iPhone didn't change the phone market for the better.

I don't know what people are trying to pretend it didn't?? You don't have to pretend the iPhone had little influence - it played a massive part in the mobile phone market of today. Seriously - we should be thankful someone took a massive gamble and got it right.

Some people.