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Is the number of failed recordings increasing?
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germanycalling
29-06-2010
After having only the occasional "failed for no reason" frustration, now for me the frequency is up. My latest is Toots & the Maytals from Glastonbury
Jepson
29-06-2010
It seems to happen with series for me.

I have Midsomer Murders on ITV HD on series link and it's failing to record about one in three. Everything else, series and one offs is recording perfectly.

Before that it was Lewis that ITV had cocked up.

So until a couple of months ago I think it had only happened 3/4 times in nearly a year and a half.
SkipTracer
29-06-2010
I had Glastonbury recording in series link with no problems.

The series folder for the whole series was called “Glastonbury Gorillaz”.

The only thing that the HDR missed was the beginning of Sunday night with Steve Wonder but this was just a bad cut in from the BBC because they were so busy telling us about what's on tomorrow instead of concentrating on today.

All recording were with BBC HD, I did not bother with any BBC 3 Glastonbury programming.
Bob_Cat
29-06-2010
We have been seeing that on a number of occasions the broadcasters have changed EventIDs of programmes mid-week and this means that when an item is set to a one-time record it will fail because the event you booked no longer exists (Programme CRID is used for series linked items).

I don't know what would cause series links to have issues.

Bob
Jepson
29-06-2010
Originally Posted by Bob_Cat:
“I don't know what would cause series links to have issues.”

It seems to be some foul up on ITV's part since if you look at the box whilst it's supposed to be recording it knows that the information it's displaying relates to something it should be recording (Red 'record' symbol is displayed'.

Presumably ITV just don't send (or raise) the 'programme is now running' flag.

A sanity check by the Foxsat so that it started recording for the advertised length of time if it got the appropriate programme details but no start signal (after, say, five minutes) would be sensible.
roswellgrey
29-06-2010
same story here - could count on one hand the number of "failed - unknown reason" we have had since we got the box.
Turned it on yesterday (after ignoring it for a few days) and had five of them on the screen
Usual culprits - series-linked Lewis and Midsomer Murders on ITV...
Flyer 10
29-06-2010
For me, yes but it only appears to be ITV HD, Ive had at least 3 WC games not start to record for no reason.

I wish we could get some technical reasons for this happening like start signal not sent instead of unknown problem all the time.
grahamlthompson
30-06-2010
There is clearly a problem with some ITV1-HD series linked reservations and the Foxsat-hdr which seemed to start with Lewis. Last nights Emmerdale failed in exactly the same way, The episode was clearly marked to record in both the epg and the schedule. Once again the recording failed to start and eventually the broken recording entry in the media list appeared.

Question is it just the Foxsat that has the problem or are other makes similary affected ?
Flyer 10
30-06-2010
Its not a series link problem for me, I set up to record all the WC matches individually and 4 have failed so far on ITV. Yesterday it switched off during ET too.
grahamlthompson
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by Flyer 10:
“Its not a series link problem for me, I set up to record all the WC matches individually and 4 have failed so far on ITV. Yesterday it switched off during ET too.”

Were you using accurate recording. The hdr wakes up as it should to make the recording but fails to start recording so it looks like a problem with the change of running status flags which will affect one off recordings just the same. Editing the reservation to add a minute at the beginning and end which turns off AR seems to work every time. Not much use for football though.
MOB
30-06-2010
Emmerdale (ITV HD) failed last night & so did today at Wimbledon (BBC HD), both on series link. Had a failed recording for Em. but nothing for TaW. I've just done a factory reset & re-entered all the schedule to see if this helps.
stanandjan
30-06-2010
emmerdale on series link also failed down here..
and since padding out to 17minutes to catch 'Peppa pig'
the output does not go into the established folder..
Bob_Cat
30-06-2010
We have also observed quite a number of programmes appearing without any CRID information or starting with CRIDs but they go missing.

Bob
roswellgrey
30-06-2010
presume that would explain the Foxsat waking up to record, but not actually starting to record ?
I am pretty sure I observed that the other day ....
Andrue
30-06-2010
One concern I did have was the time that The Prisoner on ITV HD failed to record so did CSI:New York on Five. It seemed suspiciously like the ITV HD problem confused the box so much that it couldn't do anything. I remember that it looked as if it was recording but I didn't actually bring it out of standby to check.

Anyway I've had no problems since switching from accurate record to a minute before/after. I'm pretty convinced therefore that it's ITV HD not the Foxsat. I'd trust the Foxsat as much as I trust my Sky HD box and that's saying something
grahamlthompson
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by Bob_Cat:
“We have also observed quite a number of programmes appearing without any CRID information or starting with CRIDs but they go missing.

Bob”

Does not explain The Prisoner, Lewis and last nights Emmerdale failures. The programmes failed to record but the schedule updates to the next episode so the codes must be OK. Be interesting to see if tonights Emmerdale records, it's still in the schedule and has both prog and series crid codes.

PS

Recording started fine, same series reservation that failed last night
stanandjan
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Anyway I've had no problems since switching from accurate record to a minute before/after.”

But do your progs then go into the main series folder>
grahamlthompson
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by stanandjan:
“But do your progs then go into the main series folder>”

Yes but they won't if you edit them they become one offs. anyway update Emmerdale recorded and stopped at the end of the last ads. The follow up Corrie also series record failed to start, had to initiate an instant recording. It's a complete shambles, but is it Humax's shambles or ITV's ?
Dan the Van
30-06-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“ It's a complete shambles, but is it Humax's shambles or ITV's ?”

My money (1p) is on ITV, Coronation Street failed (ITV London 103). When I pressed 'i' on the remote there was no program synopsis in the schedual but there was in the channel listing if that makes sense.

As all recording failures are my fault I am now using ITV2 in the hope everything works and I no longer get ear ache.

Dan.
simola
30-06-2010
Since we moved from Freeview (Humax 9200) to Freesat (Foxsat) I've been really disappointed by the number of failed recordings. From memory I know that Emmerdale failed last night but recorded fine tonight. Jeremy Kyle constantly fails which is probably not a bad thing . I've missed at least one world cup game with the game yesterday (Japan v Paraguay) totally failing to record. I'm sure Corra has failed in the past and we've had issues with Gok failing to record.

It drives the wife mad and although the Foxsat is a step-up from the 9200 in many regards the number of failed recording seems to detract from everything else the box offers.

We're in the Yorkshire region.
jonnyjonjon
30-06-2010
Just gone into Media List. Lewis, emmerdale, 2corries and another Emerdale all failed. Channel 103. This is now beyond a joke.
MOB
01-07-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Yes but they won't if you edit them they become one offs. anyway update Emmerdale recorded and stopped at the end of the last ads. The follow up Corrie also series record failed to start, had to initiate an instant recording. It's a complete shambles, but is it Humax's shambles or ITV's ?”

I got Emmerdale & Corrie, both on series link with no padding.
grahamlthompson
01-07-2010
Originally Posted by MOB:
“I got Emmerdale & Corrie, both on series link with no padding.”

Interesting, which channel 103 or 119 and which ITV1-HD region if from 119
Andrue
01-07-2010
Originally Posted by stanandjan:
“But do your progs then go into the main series folder>”

They go into their own folder if they are part of a series otherwise they go into the root. Seems to be normal behaviour in that respect.

I'm not aware of any cases where a programme appears to be orphaned but tbh I don't use my HDR as much as I use my other PVR so it's probably not getting the same workout that others here give it.
Andrue
01-07-2010
Originally Posted by Dan the Van:
“My money (1p) is on ITV, Coronation Street failed (ITV London 103). When I pressed 'i' on the remote there was no program synopsis in the schedual but there was in the channel listing if that makes sense.

As all recording failures are my fault I am now using ITV2 in the hope everything works and I no longer get ear ache.

Dan.”

Why not just do what I do and add a minute's padding either side. I do that on Freesat and on Sky (actually zero minutes there) and almost never lose anything off the end of the programme. Much as I like the idea of accurate record it seems to be poorly implemented and largely unnecessary.

The only time you might be let down is if there is a schedule change. I don't know if the HDR will spot the change in the schedule - I don't even know if it's looking. It depends whether the box stores a reference to the CRID in that situation or just the start/stop time as given by the EPG at the time of creation. Also in power saving mode it just might never be in a position to see the schedule change anyway.
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