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Is the number of failed recordings increasing?
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davemurgatroyd
06-07-2010
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“None that I'm aware of but I'm pretty sure Sky's EPG doesn't have the concept of a 'start signal'. Everything records according to the time in the EPG plus whatever padding the user has selected. Basically Sky's system is too primitive to suffer this issue.”

I would think it has as it definitely has a "end signal" proven by occasional problems with the last programme of the night on channels that stop transmitting overnight, staff going home without sending signal and boxes continue recording until manually stopped
Andrue
06-07-2010
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“So the Sky system will work perfectly as long as the broadcaster actually communicates the change to the EPG but won't handle situations where a programme starts a couple of minutes late but that change wasn't uploaded to the EPG.”

I believe that's the case, yes. OTOH I've never seen a programme time change by a couple of minutes - only larger changes for seriously overrunning sporting events. Then again I don't really know - Davemurgatroyd thinks there probably is such a signal. Maybe it's part of Now/Next?

I know that with zero padding I've hardly ever lost anything over the last 18 months. Then again so much of what I record is PayTV and that's almost never live. It's a lot harder to screw up times when all you're doing is running a collection of tape machines.
Jepson
06-07-2010
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“I believe that's the case, yes. I've never seen a programme time change by a couple of minutes - larger changes for seriously overrunning sporting events.”

That's true.

Although a lot of programmes are out (as opposed to rescheduled) by around a minute - very occasionally more. Even in the worst of those cases with a minute's worth of padding at either end one would only miss opening and closing credits. The only problem will be a lot more clashes when in the situation of C1:8-9, C2:8-9 C3:9-10. I don't mind missing a minute of two but the Humax handles the UI for that situation really badly.

I think I'm going to change my box to padding anyway and see how it works out.
grahamlthompson
06-07-2010
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“That's true.

Although a lot of programmes are out (as opposed to rescheduled) by around a minute - very occasionally more. Even in the worst of those cases with a minute's worth of padding at either end one would only miss opening and closing credits. The only problem will be a lot more clashes when in the situation of C1:8-9, C2:8-9 C3:9-10. I don't mind missing a minute of two but the Humax handles the UI for that situation really badly.

I think I'm going to change my box to padding anyway and see how it works out.”

Doing that will turn off accurate recording for the channels that work. Much better just to edit the ITV schedule (use yellow) to turn the recordings into once only and edit either the starting time or end time (or both) depending on if there is a previous or follow up on the same channel. Just altering one turns the recording into a manual one.
dazbear
06-07-2010
Emmerdale and both episode of Coronation Street again on the 5th - both failed!

I am just hoping this all sorts itself when the World Cup finishes.
REPASSAC
06-07-2010
I keep following this thread and note that a number of the problems seem to be WC related.

I wonder also if the HDR has been in standby prior to the series link - this could be a possible cause of problems if the HDR does not come out of standby prior to the scheduled start time giving sufficient time to update the EPG (I guess that most not on times are delays and earlies are rare?)

That said I have not had a single problem - but I am not a ITV series fan currently.
fat-tony
06-07-2010
My recording schedule for Thursday 8th currently shows Coronation Street On Channel 2100 ITV HD at 20:30 and also Channel 119 ITV HD at 20:30.
This is in addition to my safety series link for Corrie on ITV2 at 00:30 on Fri morning. The WC schedule seems to have scuppered ITV's EPG settings - my ITV region is West Country.
Andrue
07-07-2010
Apparently my strategy doesn't cure all problems. We're finally working through the Midsomers we've been recording and two of them have turned out to be football matches.
stanandjan
07-07-2010
Originally Posted by MOB:
“We don't mind failed recordings when it's not on, it's when it is on & we miss it that counts.”

I'm with you on that MOB.. Nearly..But
the thread heading is..
"Is the number of failed recordings increasing?"..
Hence the answer is categorically 'YES'..
In part because the Humax cannot handle the Series aspect of..
'Non transmitted and known of well in advance programmes'..
Thus if we had been absent for several weeks...
I would have no idea why there are 2 failed recordings last night for Emmerdale..
Hence Janet would be just as furious as if she had missed a programme and yet she has missed nothing in reality..
so make that..'Nearly nearly'
dazbear
07-07-2010
Ok I give up!

Even with me manually setting Emmerdale tonight to record, after spotting the SL wasnt picking it up - it still didnt record! The red R was still there on the EPG, but nothing.

So.....

Are people finding ITV SD just as bad? I could record 103 and 119!

or

Shall I resort to just recording on ITV2 until I hear that things are sorted?
Jepson
07-07-2010
Two episodes of Midsomer missed today.

It seems to be the one in the afternoon that gets a 0 min 'failed for unknown reason'. The one this evening just didn't start.

ITV really are a complete waste of space.
grahamlthompson
07-07-2010
Originally Posted by dazbear:
“Ok I give up!

Even with me manually setting Emmerdale tonight to record, after spotting the SL wasnt picking it up - it still didnt record! The red R was still there on the EPG, but nothing.

So.....

Are people finding ITV SD just as bad? I could record 103 and 119!

or

Shall I resort to just recording on ITV2 until I hear that things are sorted?”

My edited entry worked fine as has every other ITV recording that does not use AR. It's the accurate recording feature that's bust. Editing the times manually so far has worked everytime
MOB
07-07-2010
Originally Posted by dazbear:
“Ok I give up!

Even with me manually setting Emmerdale tonight to record, after spotting the SL wasnt picking it up - it still didnt record! The red R was still there on the EPG, but nothing.

So.....

Are people finding ITV SD just as bad? I could record 103 and 119!

or

Shall I resort to just recording on ITV2 until I hear that things are sorted?”

I noticed this morning that Emmerdale was not scheduled to record until tomorrow. Cancelled & re-entered SL & I got it tonight. Roll on next week when WC has finished, I think it may get back to normal then.
Flyer 10
08-07-2010
Yeah, I normally do recordings 3 or 4 days in advance and for some reason ITV are changing the IDs after I set the timer.

Then the box doesnt think the program has come on.
Miriyo
08-07-2010
Once again, at 19:33, I've got Emmerdale showing as still on ITV1 HD and my recording of Coronation Street hasn't started.
Mike Bilton
08-07-2010
Coronation street at 8:30 tonight didn't start recording on the Humax. SD channel 103. Red 'R' showing.

Is anyone going to fix this....
johnkg
08-07-2010
Ditto for Corrie on SD (London). I pressed Info and the clock symbol (scheduled record marker) was showing at the bottom but it was not recording.
Andrue
08-07-2010
Yeah. Whatever the issue it has destroyed the last three or four of our Midsomers. One was one minute long, the rest were 62 minutes and either part way through or something else entirely. No great loss since they were repeats but irritating.

In this case I'm damn sure it's ITV not Humax but the result is the same. Three PVRs in our house and the only one that has always been reliable and continues to be reliable is the one tied to a subscription. There's an obvious explanation for that but I still think it sucks. We shouldn't have to pay just to get a service or equipment that works properly.
Jepson
08-07-2010
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“Yeah. Whatever the issue it has destroyed the last three or four of our Midsomers. One was one minute long, the rest were 62 minutes and either part way through or something else entirely. No great loss since they were repeats but irritating.

In this case I'm damn sure it's ITV not Humax but the result is the same. Three PVRs in our house and the only one that has always been reliable and continues to be reliable is the one tied to a subscription. There's an obvious explanation for that but I still think it sucks. We shouldn't have to pay just to get a service or equipment that works properly.”

Have you tried padding?

If you do that the Humax should work exactly the same as the Sky box.
Andrue
09-07-2010
Originally Posted by Jepson:
“Have you tried padding?

If you do that the Humax should work exactly the same as the Sky box.”

Yes. As mentioned a couple of times in this thread I have my box set to one minute before/after. It seemed to fix the problems I had where the box didn't record programmes that were on. Unfortunately I think that the World Cup has caused ITV to revise its schedule and the box couldn't handle it.

It seems to me there's two problems here:

The first is that accurate record sometimes fails when ITV fails to send the correct start signal. Switching to manual padding solves that.

The second is that if you aren't using accurate record and a broadcaster changes their schedule the HDR can get caught out if it hasn't had a chance to see the changed EPG in time. The only fix I can think of for that (which I'll try) is to have the box power on an hour before the first recording in order to refresh the EPG. Hopefully the box is capable of revising its plans if given enough advance warning.
Jepson
09-07-2010
Originally Posted by Andrue:
“The second is that if you aren't using accurate record and a broadcaster changes their schedule the HDR can get caught out if it hasn't had a chance to see the changed EPG in time. The only fix I can think of for that (which I'll try) is to have the box power on an hour before the first recording in order to refresh the EPG.”

Yes, I think you've nailed it there - of course, if the box isn't on it will fail even with accurate recording if they bring a programme forwards by more than 15 minutes, although I would imagine that fairly rare. Or are you saying that if the box powers up and find the programme moved back it doesn't handle it properly.

When you say, 'have the box power on', do you mean turn it on manually?
grahamlthompson
09-07-2010
Whether thebox is on or not makes no difference on my hdr, The series recording works fine it just fails to pick up the start flag when AR is used. Reckoned to be ITV constantly changing the event ID's so the hdr waits for a signal that never arrives. THe schedule correctly picks up the next episode but again fails to start.

Manually editing the times or using the global switch auto padding disables AR and it records every time. The former turns off series record but the latter does not but it applies to all recordings and clashes generated by the padding are not picked up in advance.
Yorkie47
09-07-2010
Again, I'm pleased I have set the late night ITV2 recording of Corrie on series link. ITV1 failed again last night (I'm in the Yorkshire region). Hope this can get sorted out after the World Cup as there are two good films on tonight and I have to choose to record only one of them because they clash with the late night Corrie.
Miriyo
09-07-2010
So should I be changing my "padding" back from Automatic to 2 minutes or something? I was advised here at the end of last year to use "Automatic" as Strictly Come Dancing started late a few times and so did Casualty so I missed the ends of programmes.
Jepson
09-07-2010
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Whether thebox is on or not makes no difference on my hdr, The series recording works fine it just fails to pick up the start flag when AR is used.”

I suppose changing a programme so that it starts earlier by more than a minute or two is a very rare event (I can't honestly say I can ever remember it happening), but I can't see how a box that's in standby could possibly handle this if it were brought forward by more than 15 mins.
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