[gowler]

Article on new price plans

total sports package of Sky Sports 1, ESPN for £6.99 a month with Sky Sports 2 for £11.99.
I assume that is on top o BB + Phone. Article does not say total package price with all services

http://www.sharecast.com/cgi-bin/sha...ory_id=3549040

[paulpocket]

prices now on official site

http://www.btvision.bt.com/totalsports/

2 packages

1) take out a BTV value pack from £14.99 for 12 months and then add:
SS1 or SS2 for £11.99 each
or SS1 and SS2 for £16.99

2) Take a new BT Vision Value Pack(bronze), Broadband (option 2) & weekend Calls package from £32.99 a month for 24 months and add:
SS1 or SS2 for £6.99 each (includes ESPN)
or SS1 & SS2 for £11.99 (includes ESPN)

Not sure if ESPN will be free with the value pack anymore as its only mentioned as free with the 2nd pack.


Skyports goes live on 1st aug.

[mocksah]

Cheapest way of doing it would be
Line Rental £12.79
Broadband + Weekend Calls £17.99
Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £16.99
Total £47.77

Or

Line Rental £12.79
Broadband +.Wkend Cals + Bronze £32.99
Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £11.99
Total £57.99

Also ESPN is still free with other packs and your ESPN card is the same card you will need to access sky sports channels

[paulpocket]

hmmm, with discounts currently i pay 12.79 for line rental and eve/weekend calls, 15.99 for BB opt2 and £14.99 for BTV bronze.

a total of £43.77.

so i'll be wanting discounts again if i'm to renew my contract again, which just happens to be up next month.

[steven3001]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mocksah

Cheapest way of doing it would be
Line Rental £12.79
Broadband + Weekend Calls £17.99
Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £16.99
Total £47.77

Or

Line Rental £12.79
Broadband +.Wkend Cals + Bronze £32.99
Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £11.99
Total £57.99

Also ESPN is still free with other packs and your ESPN card is the same card you will need to access sky sports channels

Or

£12.79 line rental
£15.99 BB
£14.99 Bronze pack
Sky Sports 1 or 2 £6.99
Free ESPN

Total price £52.99

Or

£60.00 Vision box
£12.79 line rental
£15.99 broadband

Sky Sports 1 and 2 £11.99

Total price £40.77

Just Sky Sports 1 or 2 £35.77

EPSN is free with taking sky sports 1, 2 or both

[inags]

Quote:

Originally Posted by steven3001

Or

£12.79 line rental
£15.99 BB
£14.99 Bronze pack
Sky Sports 1 or 2 £6.99
Free ESPN

Total price £52.99

Or

£60.00 Vision box
£12.79 line rental
£15.99 broadband

Sky Sports 1 and 2 £11.99

Total price £40.77

Just Sky Sports 1 or 2 £35.77

EPSN is free with taking sky sports 1, 2 or both

My exchange is not Sky enabled so I already pay
£12.70 line (BT)
£24 bb (non BT)

so BT SS1 + SS2 +ESPN looks like a pretty good deal at £11.99, assuming the pq is OK.

If I understand correctly SS1+SS2+ESPN from Sky will be £18+£3+£12=£33 from September.

I just noticed on the Sky site that ESPN is now £12

[steven3001]

Quote:

Originally Posted by inags

My exchange is not Sky enabled so I already pay
£12.70 line (BT)
£24 bb (non BT)

so BT SS1 + SS2 +ESPN looks like a pretty good deal at £11.99, assuming the pq is OK.

If I understand correctly SS1+SS2+ESPN from Sky will be £18+£3+£12=£33 from September.

I just noticed on the Sky site that ESPN is now £12

Sky are a rip off

You might want to look to change your BB to Option 2, they have increased limit to 40 gig from 20, guess it depends on your usage like

[andyk22]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mocksah

Cheapest way of doing it would be
Line Rental £12.79
Broadband + Weekend Calls £17.99
Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £16.99
Total £47.77

Take or renew a BT Vision Value Pack subscription from £14.99 a month for 12 months1 and then add:

Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £16.99

http://www.btvision.bt.com/prices/

BT won't let you take the sports without a TV package.

[dave1403]

I've just done a quick price comparison for my Needs if I was a new subscriber (currently with BT)

I want:
SS1+SS2+ESPN
Broadband (Unlimited Sky, 40GB BT)
Line Rental
Calls (Unlimited Weekend & Evening Sky, Weekend only BT)

Sky = £65 (Inc 3 ent packs £67 from Sep)
BT = £57.00 (Bronze)

ESPN is making the difference there. 23 Premier league games aren't enough to sway a decison for me So it's too close to call where my moneys going in the next few months. Certainly not the HUGE pricing victory that I'm sure BT were hoping for. Hope people aren't duped too much by the hype

Exciting time for people who don't want Services through Sky but It's going to be a tough few weeks deciding for us

[Esterhaus]

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyk22

Take or renew a BT Vision Value Pack subscription from £14.99 a month for 12 months1 and then add:

Sky Sports 1 + 2 + ESPN £16.99

http://www.btvision.bt.com/prices/

BT won't let you take the sports without a TV package.

You can take a single TV package for £6.99 and then add Sky Sports 1 & 2 and ESPN to it for £16.99.

(scroll down to the Individual Viewing Pack Prices section near the bottom of the page)

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=24694

[inags]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esterhaus

You can take a single TV package for £6.99 and then add Sky Sports 1 & 2 and ESPN to it for £16.99.

(scroll down to the Individual Viewing Pack Prices section near the bottom of the page)

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=24694

I have just gone through the BT ordering system (upto checkout)
BT bb
line rental
Anytime calls (inc 0870 & 0845)
Total Sports Max (SS1, SS2 Espn)

£64.99 one off
£34.52 per month

Seems pretty good to me.
Sky is a lot better on a Sky enabled exchange.

[mlt11]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave1403

I've just done a quick price comparison for my Needs if I was a new subscriber (currently with BT)

I want:
SS1+SS2+ESPN
Broadband (Unlimited Sky, 40GB BT)
Line Rental
Calls (Unlimited Weekend & Evening Sky, Weekend only BT)

Sky = £65 (Inc 3 ent packs £67 from Sep)
BT = £57.00 (Bronze)

ESPN is making the difference there. 23 Premier league games aren't enough to sway a decison for me So it's too close to call where my moneys going in the next few months. Certainly not the HUGE pricing victory that I'm sure BT were hoping for. Hope people aren't duped too much by the hype

Exciting time for people who don't want Services through Sky but It's going to be a tough few weeks deciding for us

Bear in mind with Sky you get all of the following included in the price:

Sky Sports 3
Sky Sports 4
Sky Sports News
Red button (on all channels)

None of these are available with BT.

Whilst Sky cannot play games by moving very high profile content from SS1 or SS2 to SS3 or SS4 it's worth bearing in mind quite a lot of significant content is on SS3 and SS4.

- The 2nd pick Champions League game is on SS4 - this will feature an English club on nights when Sky has all the games (ie Tuesdays).

- Just about all Scottish football is on SS3.

- August schedules show several Football League games will be on SS3

- The vast majority of US Tour golf, European Tour golf, Super League and NFL is on SS3 or SS4.

- Gillette Soccer Saturday with Jeff Stelling will only be on Sky Sports News.

Finally with Sky you have the option of adding HD (albeit at a price).

[scotty2808]

Quote:

Originally Posted by inags

I have just gone through the BT ordering system (upto checkout)
BT bb
line rental
Anytime calls (inc 0870 & 0845)
Total Sports Max (SS1, SS2 Espn)

£64.99 one off
£34.52 per month

Seems pretty good to me.
Sky is a lot better on a Sky enabled exchange.

Add £12 to that.
When you work through the purchase - the Sports Max comes in at £0 per month as it has not launched. So it's £46.52 per month.

That's still not bad for Line Rental, Calls, BB & Sports.

[andyk22]

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave1403

I've just done a quick price comparison for my Needs if I was a new subscriber (currently with BT)

I want:
SS1+SS2+ESPN
Broadband (Unlimited Sky, 40GB BT)
Line Rental
Calls (Unlimited Weekend & Evening Sky, Weekend only BT)

Sky = £65 (Inc 3 ent packs £67 from Sep)
BT = £57.00 (Bronze)

ESPN is making the difference there. 23 Premier league games aren't enough to sway a decison for me So it's too close to call where my moneys going in the next few months. Certainly not the HUGE pricing victory that I'm sure BT were hoping for. Hope people aren't duped too much by the hype

Exciting time for people who don't want Services through Sky but It's going to be a tough few weeks deciding for us

That is the problem with the BT Vision site, its cheaper offers don't give the unlimited phone line or broadband options, BT will know many customers will then have to upgrade adding further cost.

In order to make a profit BT would also know have to raise the sports by about £4 so there would be little difference in price with a loss of the other sports channels and channels from the mix packages.

[betsvigi9]

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyk22

That is the problem with the BT Vision site, its cheaper offers don't give the unlimited phone line or broadband options, BT will know many customers will then have to upgrade adding further cost.

In order to make a profit BT would also know have to raise the sports by about £4 so there would be little difference in price with a loss of the other sports channels and channels from the mix packages.

To be honest, I think this is more about BT being able to entice new customers than it is about the existing customer base. Previously, if you wanted a lot of sport, then you pretty much had a choice of either Sky or Virgin and so, not many sports fans were going to consider BT Vision. What BT Vision has on offer now, may not be exactly the same as you can get through Sky or Virgin, but it's a pretty solid offering and represents a genuine alternative. Clearly Sky see BT Vision as a threat, otherwise they wouldn't have got up to their dirty tricks to try and damage the opposition as quickly as they have done.

[jeff dorman]

This page

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=25634

says

£17.99 Broadband + Call
£11.54 Line Rental
£11.99 SS1, SS2 & ESPN

Total £41.52

[kesterwww]

Hi all. I have been pretty interested in the news of SS1&2 coming to BTV.
My current situation is I have all 4 SS channels which I watch via Sky Player on the Xbox 360. I pay £34.95 a month for that, and also get a load of on demand sport as well, not to mention Sky 1, Nat Geo etc, also ESPN Classic, which is great. How ever I really am only interested in the Premiership.
I would consider dropping it and adding SS1&2 for £16.99 a month. I was reassured by the post earlier saying Sky couldn't move content onto SS3&4, but how guaranteed is that?

Re: Sky upping the price, I hope this back fires on them. They are punishing their own customers to get at BT.

[mlt11]

Lots of people seem to think Sky is making this price rise because of BT but the price rise is totally irrelevant to Sky's competitive position vs BT.

The whole point of the OFCOM regulated wholesale price formula is that the profit margin available to BT is the same WHATEVER the Sky retail price.

Numbers to illustrate the position (NB these are not the actual prices).

Suppose:

Sky retail price = £40
Regulated wholesale price = £20

Now that means if BT matches Sky's retail price it makes a gross profit of £20 to cover its overheads, with anything left as net profit.

Now, to take an extreme example, suppose Sky increase the retail price by £20. Then:

Sky retail price = £60
Regulated wholesale price = £40

So BT still makes a gross profit of £20 if it matches Sky's retail price.

That's the whole point of the OFCOM formula. It means BT is guaranteed to make the same gross profit if it matches Sky's retail price.

If it undercuts Sky by say £7, it makes a gross profit of £13 etc (numbers still illustrative) again WHATEVER the level of Sky's retail price.

Coming back to Sky's decision to increase the retail price by £3 (actual figure), this decision is based on what it thinks the market can bear. It's nothing to do with competing against VM and BT as Sky knows that WHEREVER it sets the retail price the regulated wholesale price will be a fixed amount below that retail price - giving VM and BT the same gross profit margin opportunity.

[inags]

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty2808

Add £12 to that.
When you work through the purchase - the Sports Max comes in at £0 per month as it has not launched. So it's £46.52 per month.

That's still not bad for Line Rental, Calls, BB & Sports.

This is the sort of thing that makes me nervous about dealing with BT.

[littleboo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlt11

Coming back to Sky's decision to increase the retail price by £3 (actual figure), this decision is based on what it thinks the market can bear. It's nothing to do with competing against VM and BT as Sky knows that WHEREVER it sets the retail price the regulated wholesale price will be a fixed amount below that retail price - giving VM and BT the same gross profit margin opportunity.

Would Sky have given BT prior notice of their intent to raise the wholesale price ?

[mlt11]

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleboo

Would Sky have given BT prior notice of their intent to raise the wholesale price ?

Sky has to give BT, VM etc 45 days notice of wholesale price changes.

See paragraph 1.234 of link (which also contains details of mechanism for calculating new wholesale prices when retail prices rise).

So it appears Sky has actually given a bit more notice than it needed to as prices are only rising on 1st September.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond..._statement.pdf

[littleboo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlt11

Lots of people seem to think Sky is making this price rise because of BT but the price rise is totally irrelevant to Sky's competitive position vs BT.

Based on your subsequent comment about notice, I have to disagree with this statement. Sky have chosen to announce the price rise on the day that BT launched the channels and was therefore commited to the retail price. BT cannot realistically raise prices so quickly after the fanfare launch and the associated advertising and hence their profit margin, if indeed there was ever one, has been reduced. This is another attempt by Sky to stifle competition.

[mlt11]

Quote:

Originally Posted by littleboo

Based on your subsequent comment about notice, I have to disagree with this statement. Sky have chosen to announce the price rise on the day that BT launched the channels and was therefore commited to the retail price. BT cannot realistically raise prices so quickly after the fanfare launch and the associated advertising and hence their profit margin, if indeed there was ever one, has been reduced.

I understand your point.

However for the last several years, Sky has always increased retail prices every year on 1 September.

So BT would have known that a price rise was coming. They would also have known that this year's price rise was likely to be larger than normal given the increase from 92 to 115 live Premier League matches and Sky's rights fees going up from £438m to £541m (an increase of 23.5%).

Because of the 45 day notice ruling by OFCOM, BT could easily have waited slightly longer before announcing its retail prices if it had wanted 100% certainty about the exact level of wholesale prices it would be paying. But BT obviously decided it didn't need to because in reality it would have had a very good idea of what the new wholesale prices would be (within a small margin).

For anyone to be pretending to be remotely surprised about Sky's price rise is farcical. But of course it makes very good PR as has been seen over the last two days (as large numbers of people have fallen for it).

[Sirius]

I'm late into this discussion but mlt11 is right that BT should, and could, have anticipated that Sky are likely to raise their prices on or soon after 1st September as for the last few years it has always been the case.

Of course Sky's timing is important, but if BT haven't anticipated this based on the OFCOM ruling then it is they who have made a schoolboy error.

[littleboo]

I dont think BT could win this one. They need to launch the channels and advertise the price, Sky can just wait around until BT does so and then hey presto implement any price change which benefits them and disadvantages BT most. If BT had set the retail price higher in anticipation of a Sky price hike, Sky then dont raise the price and make BT look less competitive. It's no coincidence the two announcements happened on the same day.