Haven't seen much yet from the forum on last nights highlights show.Two choices made by producers may be very damaging indeed to future viewing figures.

The great british public may be put off by rather than excited by,the closing shots of Jason and Dan.Personally I had no problem with it and thought it was nice to see such liberation However the public might take different view of this and the media/gutter press, if they decide to highlight this highlight,viewers will turn off in their droves!

The thought of a girl going topless may bring in more viewers[i love topless myself] but two men enjoying each others company in this way plus the look on Dan's face may disgust some viewers.

Secondly the public may respect say tears from Shel or Stuart, but they aint gonna take tears from a gay guy.I thought Mrco was great,honest and I'm with him.Genuine remorse re-Ahmed and genuine insecurities.I dont mind his bitching,comes with the human territory[dont bitch myself but tolerant of those who do]Remember Marco has a very stressful astro-chart ..discords all over the place plus both sun and moon on cusps.Not to mention the sometimes complexities of being pig year.

The public may be very uncomfortable at seeing,as the last two images, a gay guy crying followed by two more gay guys in a semi-initimate situation.They may be having a problem buying the kitten stuff but this I don't think they'll take.Viewing figures could plummet further.

I hope I'm wrong and I often am.

Sounds a bit like *you* have a problem with it.

Gay imagery in the media is becoming more mainstream - whats wrong with BB helping to break down those barriers as well.

I would like to live in a tolerant and understanding society where your own choices (providing they don't hurt others) are fine and I actually believe that we are getting there slowly but surely.

I don't think people were shocked by Dan and Jason other than that they would think he may be bi.

Marco's crying was pathetic not because he is gay but because it didn't seem necessary.

Ahmed seemed pretty stupid the way he confronted Marco though.

Actually I thought it more likely to diminish any concept of homosexuality, there could of course be some sub plot by either Jason or Dan, but on a purely visual level it was one man asking another to help him with personal grooming. Would anyone have had the same problem if Jason had asked Dan to cut his hair? I doubt it and hope in modern times we could ignore any schoolboy s******ing of a man rubbing lotion into another.

Sorry to anyone just posted and noticed the ** as part of a word I typed oops never realised the board did that. No offence was intended.
Last edited by Hamlet77 : 03-06-2004 at 08:17

hadn't given it a second thought until i read this post.

there seem to be a lot of *gosh - do you think BB has messed up because [insert thing BB did / said / broadcast that I disagree with here?]

and going on from Hamlet's point - if it had been two of the girls would there have been a post about such images of lesbianism causing offence? very probably not.

basically they have to get 30 minutes of vaguely interesting tv each day. end of.


Iain

i agree with without_reason. no one would have worried if it was 2 women rubbing lotion on each other, or a man and a women so why should it make any difference if its two men!!

its not harming anyone and if people do have aproblem with it then they need to have a good look at themselves.

and i felt soory for marco, ahmed was just being petty and wouldn't have said anything if jason hadnt of told him to!!

I agree that gay imagery has become more mainstream and BB is to be saluted for trying to beak down those barriers.

But it's a ratings show too and whilst its noble that the answerers to my preposition should give the public credit for being as open-minded as many on this forum are,I don't think the public is.They seemed to like the Cameron morality[I'm assuming here that his victory wasn't fixed] and Kate's inoffensiveness.

The tolerant and understanding society you like to think we live in, doesn't exist,sadly.Any more than my pipe-dream Woodstock society does.We can but hope.

If *I* have a problem with it, as you suggest, then I better get wised up quickly.[not]

The only thing that worried me about the Dan & Jason love in, was if it was real or for the cameras?

But is Jason gay or is he merely playing with Dan?

Noticed they were more interested with Dan and Jason, than Stuart and Michelle, they didnt show any coverage of the 2, and they are lots of them flirting and stuff.I thought it was quite dissapointing.

But they did. They showed Stuart kissing Michelle, and then they showed Dan rubbing the lotion on Jason. Fair do's. Why should Stuart and Michelle have had more time devoted to their 'storyline' than Dan and Jason? The highlights show gave an equal amount of time to the flirting bewteen both couples. And that's fair.

I'm more interested in what was said...

Dan was saying that he is totally comfortable with who he is, but thought that Jason put up a lot of 'front' as if to imply that he was hiding behind something.
Dan then said that "If you don't know who you are by our age, you never will" and to me Jason looked a little dejected.

I took this to be a little bit of a 'mind game' developing, and I think that Jason is trying to get Dan to 'fancy' him as it may well become the only power that he will be able to get over him.

I'll be keeping my eye on those two naughty boys...

I was quite humoured by it... and I hope they continue to surprise me... I had no problem in seeing it at all... the fact that u think anyone will be offended by it indicated its maybe how u feel yerself ina way... they cant show the girls going topless if it didnt happen.... they can only show a selection of things that occured in the house..

Is BB the best avenue for it to be thrust into peoples faces this heavily though? There is hardly a straight person in the house, the first show had extended live scenes of lesbians kissing and various scenes of male buttock oiling and gay mincing (and indeed gay bashing), plus of course revelations of bisexual shennaniganary (if thats a word) in the episodes since. Surely C4 are supposed to be representative of its whole audience rather than just those who want to see this kinda thing. I don't think you could dispute that many of the HM's are of a fairly alternative nature this year (and probably because producers feel they are more likely to get more action, more of the time with em .... and they'd be right it seems). Don't get me wrong - nice to see em broadening peoples horizons but it has been a little over the top. I'm not quite sure this is how gay/lesbian people want to be portrayed (people picked are of a very stereotypical image) and it could hurt them more than help them.

This is 2004. People realize that not every lesbian is like Kitten, and not every gay man is like Marco. I'm gay, and do not feel at all that Kitten is giving lesbians a bad name. To say so is like saying Nick (BB1) gave straigh people a bad name.

The only person Kitten is making look bad is herself. Nothing is being forced down our throats as you say. " A man was rubbing cream on another man, so it had to be shown. Same as if Emma had rubbed lotion on Stuart.

I just wish people would get over the gay thing, and if you dont like gay issues, go and watch Blue Peter or something.

I am getting concerned about the emphasis being put on the Daniel and Jason relationship as I am worried that Jason may simply be using Daniel in order to get coverage. Many young people may also start to feel uncomfortable that bosses seem to be pushing the gay angle too much for ratings.

I agree with the above.

They have shown women grooming one another. They had a pamper afternoon in the snug, and Vanessa was applying face packs to the other girls and they were all just generally pampering one another. Noone mentioned that that was a lesbian act, or that is was disgusting.

So why should it be horrid when two men groom one another ? Some people seem to still be living in the dark ages

Can someone please explain to me exactly what the "gay imagery" was? I watched one man ask another if he would mind putting some lotion on his back - it was hardly sexual never mind "gay"

But it shouldn't have to be about a 'gay angle'. It is just two people in the house that a story is developing between. It also just happens to be 2 men. It would be equally intersting if it were 2 women, or a man and a woman. But it isn't. It is 2 men. The producers are just showing us how it is. I am gay, but an just as interested in whats happening with Michelle and Stuart, as I am Jason and Dan. There have been gay people in every Big Brother except BB4 (??) I really can't believe we are having the same discussions 5 years down the line.

However I DO feel that if it was 2 women rubbing lotion on each other, there wouldn't be half the fuss there has been. Funny that...

People pay big money for videos of 'action' like that.

No, we'd have been too busy one handed typing

I'll get me coat,

i do think they were overhyping the closing minutes. as most of you have said, it was (probably) a perfectly innocent thing, but i think the editors want the public to believe that there is something romantical about it.

Is that why Brian won also

i find it highly unlikley that the public will turn off in disgust, if they do then i am well and truly disgusted with the public.

dan was just rubbing vanessa's back. does that make him straight?