BT Vision - no pack needed - cheaper than Sky

Mmmm
Option 1:

£17.99 plus £11.54, plus £60 for the box, then 11.99 for Sports, Feeview channels only, a MINIMUM 24 month contract and only 40GB per month allowed on BB.

does not seem that good to me

and of course if you have a naff line (less than 2MB) then Sports will be hit and miss anyway.

if the price is cheaper, the contract is irrelevent, Sky have increased from September

Sky charge for ESPN, BT never have

Sky Sports with BT is what £9 cheaper than Sky

With Sky, you need a pack, with BT you dont

line rental id say is pretty much on a par with each other

Nigel Goodwin · 03-07-2010, 09:26

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For anyone who keeps saying BT is more expensive and that you need a value pack, I prove you wrong

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=25634

Where does it say that on that webpage?.

Also, as others have pointed out, you're quoting for a capped 40Gb per month Internet, which is going to be pretty useless for watching much TV.

We won't even mention the large drop in quality

Bannsider · 03-07-2010, 09:27

I am able to ring relatives in Switzerland and the USA along with many other countries on Sky Talk free . Do BT offer this?

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 09:28

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Where does it say that on that webpage?.

Also, as others have pointed out, you're quoting for a capped 40Gb per month Internet, which is going to be pretty useless for watching much TV.

We won't even mention the large drop in quality

Vision does not use the £40 gig, its seperated

That link clearly shows it, ive cut and paste it and the link

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=25634

TV, Broadband and Calls

£17.99
a month
+ £11.54 line rental
+ £60 one-off Vision+ box fee1
(24 month contract)

BT Vision with freeview
and pay-per-view shows†
Broadband Option 2
with 40GB usage‡
Unlimited UK^
Weekend calls

swills · 03-07-2010, 09:42

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Vision does not use the £40 gig, its seperated

That link clearly shows it, ive cut and paste it and the link

http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...?topicId=25634

TV, Broadband and Calls

£17.99
a month
+ £11.54 line rental
+ £60 one-off Vision+ box fee1
(24 month contract)

BT Vision with freeview
and pay-per-view shows†
Broadband Option 2
with 40GB usage‡
Unlimited UK^
Weekend calls

No 'Vision' does not affect the 40GB cap, but you do have a 40GB cap on BB, and that is very, very small these days, BTV also impacts into the speed of your BB service as well, and you are stuck with it for 2 years !

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 09:49

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No 'Vision' does not affect the 40GB cap, but you do have a 40GB cap on BB, and that is very, very small these days, BTV also impacts into the speed of your BB service as well, and you are stuck with it for 2 years !

well that's why it does not benefit everyone, as nothing ever does

What it does offer though, is cheaper prices and an alternative option for customers unhappy at paying £20 for Sky Sports, unhappy they pay for a TV subscription when actually all they want is sports

10 million people have freeview already and that is enough, at least they get that with Sky Sports, and additionally if they want on demand on a pack or no pack and then the other added benefits such as pause, rewind, record

If someone wants higher broadband (unlimited) its available

If the packs are not relevent then you don't switch. No one said it will benefit everyone but it does open up a lot more options from customers been forced to pay £20 for sports

swills · 03-07-2010, 10:03

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well that's why it does not benefit everyone, as nothing ever does

What it does offer though, is cheaper prices and an alternative option for customers unhappy at paying £20 for Sky Sports, unhappy they pay for a TV subscription when actually all they want is sports

10 million people have freeview already and that is enough, at least they get that with Sky Sports, and additionally if they want on demand on a pack or no pack and then the other added benefits such as pause, rewind, record

If someone wants higher broadband (unlimited) its available

If the packs are not relevent then you don't switch. No one said it will benefit everyone but it does open up a lot more options from customers been forced to pay £20 for sports

All very true, but like cable, most of the Country cannot get a decent BB speed, so therefore Sky Sports will be a 'no' as it comes down the line, and not via 'Freeview'

Until Virgin, BT, and the likes get their finger out and upgrade the whole country, then there a very few options open.
I live in house just over a mile from the exchange on a 'new' estate (10years) chnaces of 20MB BB and Cable, well according to both companies, 'pretty low'

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 10:05

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All very true, but like cable, most of the Country cannot get a decent BB speed, so therefore Sky Sports will be a 'no' as it comes down the line, and not via 'Freeview'

Until Virgin, BT, and the likes get their finger out and upgrade the whole country, then there a very few options open.
I live in house just over a mile from the exchange on a 'new' estate (10years) chnaces of 20MB BB and Cable, well according to both companies, 'pretty low'

wrong, BT purchased 2 freeview channels to launch Sky Sports on

swills · 03-07-2010, 10:11

I stand corrected then

but still a lot for 2 channels and to be tied in for 2 years.
What channels are going to make way for SS ?

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 10:12

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I stand corrected then

but still a lot for 2 channels and to be tied in for 2 years.
What channels are going to make way for SS ?

as far as Im aware none, they just bought 2 additional ones, they have not yet launched on there till August 1st

swills · 03-07-2010, 10:28

Just been trying to look, and it does say frequencies 'freed up' by DSO, but I read into that, that in the (ever increasing) areas that are digital only now, it will be via aerial, but other areas until DSO will be via the BB connection, I think one BB site said it would be Sky Sports on BT via IPTV (?)

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 10:31

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Just been trying to look, and it does say frequencies 'freed up' by DSO, but I read into that, that in the (ever increasing) areas that are digital only now, it will be via aerial, but other areas until DSO will be via the BB connection, I think one BB site said it would be Sky Sports on BT via IPTV (?)

What do I need to watch Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 channels on BT Vision?

In order to take BT Vision, you need BT Total Broadband with a minimum line speed of 2Mbps. You also need to have a suitable aerial and live in a Freeview area where you can access Sky Sports 1 and Sky Sports 2 (check your Freeview on the right). These digital TV channels are delivered via Digital Terrestrial Television (DTT) through your aerial. The number of channels that you can access is driven by the quality of your signal, and is influenced by whether you have undergone Digital Switchover (DSO).

If you live in an area that has already gone through Digital Switchover and you are currently able to watch ITV4 or if you haven't yet gone through Digital Switchover but can watch CBeebies, you should be able to access Sky Sports 1 and 2 on BT Vision.

You will also need a viewing card and a subscription with BT Vision to one of the Sky Sports channels. When the viewing card arrives, insert it into your Vision+ box as per the instructions and tune your TV to channel 41 for Sky Sports 1 or channel 42 for Sky Sports 2.

Nigel Goodwin · 03-07-2010, 11:10

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as far as Im aware none, they just bought 2 additional ones, they have not yet launched on there till August 1st

As Freeview is already over full, where can they find any extra capacity? - the addition of the HD channels has already reduced quality of the SD channels, losing one out of the three PSB multiplexes.

Obviously it would be on the COM multiplexes (which are only a small percentage of transmitters - the big ones), but these don't have spare capacity either?.

Interesting proposition though, selling Sky Sports at a loss, and spending huge amounts of money to broadcast it - broadcasting on Freeview is GREATLY more expensive than doing it via satellite.

MC57 · 03-07-2010, 11:15

I don't suppose if anyone knows if any old Setanta UK execs migrated over to BT last year as their plans would not look out of place with some of Satan's crazier ones.

At least Setanta was on the sat EPG though.

steven3001 · 03-07-2010, 11:20

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As Freeview is already over full, where can they find any extra capacity? - the addition of the HD channels has already reduced quality of the SD channels, losing one out of the three PSB multiplexes.

Obviously it would be on the COM multiplexes (which are only a small percentage of transmitters - the big ones), but these don't have spare capacity either?.

Interesting proposition though, selling Sky Sports at a loss, and spending huge amounts of money to broadcast it - broadcasting on Freeview is GREATLY more expensive than doing it via satellite.

I would assume with the loss in revenue on Sky Sports they make it back that customers are bundled in for 3 services for 24 months and will use the phone for calls and use the Vision for on demand, packs if taken and blockbuster movies etc

Nigel Goodwin · 03-07-2010, 13:05

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I would assume with the loss in revenue on Sky Sports they make it back that customers are bundled in for 3 services for 24 months and will use the phone for calls and use the Vision for on demand, packs if taken and blockbuster movies etc

While they pay Sky per subscriber, they have to pay for broadcasting costs regardless of the number of subscribers - I suspect they are going to need a LOT of subscribers to make it even approach viability?.

As far as I'm aware BT Vision is currently a huge loss making exercise, and I can't see that changing any time soon?.

wgmorg · 03-07-2010, 14:15

Pre DSO mux B ... the BBC mux.

Post DSO ARQA ... the mux BSkyB use.

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As Freeview is already over full, where can they find any extra capacity?

wgmorg · 03-07-2010, 14:18

BT announced recently they will be investing 200 million ... perhaps that covers the losses ...

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As far as I'm aware BT Vision is currently a huge loss making exercise, and I can't see that changing any time soon?.

daleboy · 03-07-2010, 15:24

BT vision isn't for everyone, it's got its pro's and con's and we can argue amongst each other all day long, but at the end of the day it's just nice to have at least some sort of competion, and it may give the opportunity to some people who cant afford sky sports, to purchase it at a much cheaper price, which has got to be good news for the consumer!

davemurgatroyd · 04-07-2010, 16:36

Why is BT Vision being discussed here it is a Freeview and internet service and definitely not a satellite service.

johnson293 · 04-07-2010, 17:35

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