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lotrjw
05-08-2013
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“And Channel 5's DOG so far in to the 4:3 picture it was incredibly distracting. Even worse on +1. They fixed it a while ago but now it has reverted back to where it was. You'd think someone would notice, but then again, it is Channel 5.”

The Gadget show is the ONLY good thing on channel 5! another broadcaster that butchers films!
Dar W
05-08-2013
Whip It on ITV2 was OAR last night.Wish I knew before,I'd of recorded it but think its repeated in the week so will catch it then
jenzie
05-08-2013
Originally Posted by Dar W:
“Whip It on ITV2 was OAR last night.Wish I knew before,I'd of recorded it but think its repeated in the week so will catch it then”

friday 11.05 pm

i'll need to tape it again as i missed unpausing it

ARSE
DVDfever
06-08-2013
Originally Posted by lotrjw:
“The Gadget show is the ONLY good thing on channel 5! another broadcaster that butchers films!”

I long since stopped watching that after they degenerated into silly challenges instead of concentrating on the gadgets.
Libretio
08-08-2013
Not sure how I managed to miss THE BANG BANG CLUB off last Friday's listings, but I did. And it premiered on Movie Mix OAR the other night.
Libretio
09-08-2013
(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

* = May not be screened in all areas (check your local listings).

Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (10 - 16 August):


Saturday (10 August)

• 1941 (Movie Mix)
• (500) Days of Summer (Film 4)
• The Bourne Identity (ITV 2)
• Braveheart (C4)
• Custer of the West (5 USA) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]
• Ever After (Film 4)
• Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (ITV 1)
• He's Just Not That Into You (E4)
• The Italian Job (Film 4)
• The Phantom (Film 4)
• Pride & Prejudice (ITV 3)
• Public Enemies (ITV 1)*
• Road to Perdition (Film 4)
• RV (5*)
• Sorority Row (Film 4)
• Step Up (ITV 2)
• Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (C4) [Panavision and IMAX] [2.39:1 and 1.44:1]
• Tsotsi (BBC 2)


Sunday (11 August)

• 27 Dresses (E4)
• Die Hard 4.0 [Live Free or Die Hard] (Film 4)
• First Knight (BBC 2)
• Flash Gordon (ITV 4)
• Gunfight in Abilene (5 USA)
• House of Flying Daggers [十面埋伏] (Film 4)
• The Last Mimzy (Film 4)
• Leap Year (C4)
• The Mummy (ITV 1)
• Pride & Prejudice (ITV 3)
• Shanghai Noon (BBC 3)
• Shoot 'Em Up (C5)
• Silk (Film 4)
• Stepmom (5*)
• Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)
• The Towering Inferno (Film 4)
• Troy (ITV 2)
• Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps (Film 4)
• What a Girl Wants (ITV 2)
• Win a Date With Tad Hamilton! (BBC 1)


Monday (12 August)

• Apocalypse Now (ITV 4)
• August Rush (Film 4)
• The Bourne Supremacy (ITV 2)
• Duplicity (ITV 2)
• Hostage (E4)
• In God's Hands (Movie Mix)
• Just Wright (Film 4)
• The Last Frontier (Film 4)
• Mad Money (Film 4)
• Memento (Film 4)
• Oliver Twist (More 4)
• The Ugly Truth (Film 4)


Tuesday (13 August)

• Anastasia (Film 4)
• Fight Club (ITV 4)
• On Deadly Ground (5 USA)
• Red Dragon (ITV 2)
• Secret Window (Movie Mix)
• Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)


Wednesday (14 August)

• Armageddon (BBC 3)
• Born Free (More 4)
• Coyote Ugly (ITV 2)
• Escape to Victory [Victory] (ITV 1)*
• Judge Dredd (5*)
• L.A. Confidential (ITV 4)
• Magnum Force (ITV 4)
• The Reef (Film 4)
• The Robe (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• Rush Hour 3 (Film 4)
• The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (Film 4)
• When Eight Bells Toll (C4)


Thursday (15 August)

• Bridget Jones's Diary (ITV 2)
• Ever After (Film 4)
• The Keep (Film 4)
• Proof (BBC 1)
• The Social Network (Film 4)
• A Town Called Panic [Panique au Village] (Film 4)


Friday (16 August)

• (500) Days of Summer (Film 4)
• Creep (5*)
• Die Hard 4.0 [Live Free or Die Hard] (Film 4)
• DOA: Dead or Alive (ITV 1)*
• He's Just Not That Into You (E4)
• Telstar: The Joe Meek Story (BBC 2)
• Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)
• Troy (ITV 2)
• Where Eagles Dare (ITV 4)
theonlyweeman
11-08-2013
Apologies if anyone has already mentioned this, but I was surprised to discover ITV4's print of Apocalypse Now is actually OAR

(and from Studiocanal, whose films normally appear on Channel 4. And it features the 2011 Studiocanal logo, so must be fairly recent...)
alcockell
11-08-2013
AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!! Flash Gordon's the crappy 16:9 print!
DVDfever
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“Apologies if anyone has already mentioned this, but I was surprised to discover ITV4's print of Apocalypse Now is actually OAR

(and from Studiocanal, whose films normally appear on Channel 4. And it features the 2011 Studiocanal logo, so must be fairly recent...)”

That's when the 2.35:1 Blu-ray came out. Was it the Redux version? I like that version, apart from the inclusion of the overlong scene where they end up on the French plantation in Cambodia.

http://dvdfever.co.uk/?p=898
theonlyweeman
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“That's when the 2.35:1 Blu-ray came out. Was it the Redux version? I like that version, apart from the inclusion of the overlong scene where they end up on the French plantation in Cambodia.

http://dvdfever.co.uk/?p=898”

No, it was the theatrical cut. But wasn't Apocalypse Now released under the Optimum banner? That's why I was surprised to see the Studiocanal logo at the beginning...
eyeblink
11-08-2013
StudioCanal bought Optimum and have now phased out that name - new films, DVDs and Blu-rays are now released under the StudioCanal banner,
theonlyweeman
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by eyeblink:
“StudioCanal bought Optimum and have now phased out that name - new films, DVDs and Blu-rays are now released under the StudioCanal banner,”

I know that, I was just unsure of why the TV print had the Studiocanal logo instead of the Optimum logo...
DVDfever
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“I know that, I was just unsure of why the TV print had the Studiocanal logo instead of the Optimum logo...”

Well, as that's now the new name, it makes sense to use that, surely?
theonlyweeman
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Well, as that's now the new name, it makes sense to use that, surely?”

To be honest, the Studiocanal logo was just something I noticed that seemed weird to me, given the film's passed through several distributors, and none of the distributors' films normally appeared on ITV.

I was more surprised about it being OAR given that 2.35/2.39/whatever it was isn't the cinematographer's preferred ratio (apparently he shot in that because his preferred ratio wasn't widely available in cinemas at the time, so he gave cinemas the widescreen print and cropped for home video), and Pan and Scan prints of the film have been prevalent for quite some time...
DVDfever
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“I was more surprised about it being OAR given that 2.35/2.39/whatever it was isn't the cinematographer's preferred ratio (apparently he shot in that because his preferred ratio wasn't widely available in cinemas at the time, so he gave cinemas the widescreen print and cropped for home video), and Pan and Scan prints of the film have been prevalent for quite some time...”

I remember it being in 2.35:1 when on ZDF on analogue Sky many moons ago, but in German ("Ich liebe die smell der naplam im morgen”, anyone?) but they made a point of also getting it right for this Blu-ray release.

Vittorio Storaro is a douche.
lotrjw
11-08-2013
Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“To be honest, the Studiocanal logo was just something I noticed that seemed weird to me, given the film's passed through several distributors, and none of the distributors' films normally appeared on ITV.

I was more surprised about it being OAR given that 2.35/2.39/whatever it was isn't the cinematographer's preferred ratio (apparently he shot in that because his preferred ratio wasn't widely available in cinemas at the time, so he gave cinemas the widescreen print and cropped for home video), and Pan and Scan prints of the film have been prevalent for quite some time...”

if the cinematographer's preferred ratio was 2:1, then he shouldve shot on supper35MM and then used the animophication but just not the full width of it, leaving black areas at the edges! When projected in cinemas surely they wouldve just hardmatted the edges of the screen ect.
Libretio
12-08-2013
Originally Posted by lotrjw:
“if the cinematographer's preferred ratio was 2:1, then he shouldve shot on supper35MM and then used the animophication but just not the full width of it, leaving black areas at the edges! When projected in cinemas surely they wouldve just hardmatted the edges of the screen ect.”

I agree that Storaro is a bit of a twit (to put it mildly!) for his current insistence on 2:1 as a ratio, but to be fair, the Super 35 gauge wasn't available to him at the time of APOCALYPSE NOW, and he hadn't become obsessed with the 2:1 ratio at the time of shooting. It's the fact that he tried to impose the 2:1 ratio on most subsequent widescreen video prints that has caused so much anxiety and outrage...

On another topic: Nice to see THE TOWERING INFERNO finally getting an OAR outing on TV, but Film 4 insists on screening this 15-cert film ONLY in pre-watershed slots. To be honest, the BBFC should have been kicked in the cobblers for giving this anything more than a PG on video, since the cinema version was released in 1974 uncut with an A certificate, the same as today's PG, and there's nothing in the film which warrants anything higher. And, by that reasoning, the film should be allowed to pass uncut on TV at any time of the day or night, except perhaps for a couple uses of the word 'shit' by some of the characters.

But even if you disagree with all of that and say the film should be a 12, or what have you, one cut (on ITV and now C4) has always, always baffled me (spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the film): The shot of Jennifer Jones - or her dummy substitute - as it falls down the side of the building after she topples out of the scenic elevator. In the direct aftermath of 9/11, I could understand why this might be deemed insensitive, but by anyone's standards - moral or otherwise - I can't even begin to fathom why a shot of a dummy hurtling from a great height should be considered unsuitable for a pre-watershed slot, in any context whatsoever.
DVDfever
12-08-2013
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“I agree that Storaro is a bit of a twit (to put it mildly!) for his current insistence on 2:1 as a ratio, but to be fair, the Super 35 gauge wasn't available to him at the time of APOCALYPSE NOW, and he hadn't become obsessed with the 2:1 ratio at the time of shooting. It's the fact that he tried to impose the 2:1 ratio on most subsequent widescreen video prints that has caused so much anxiety and outrage...”

There are times when I wish Super 35 hadn't been invented at all. Anamorphic Panavision looks great, even if it's hardly used now, due to the cost.

Quote:
“On another topic: Nice to see THE TOWERING INFERNO finally getting an OAR outing on TV, but Film 4 insists on screening this 15-cert film ONLY in pre-watershed slots. To be honest, the BBFC should have been kicked in the cobblers for giving this anything more than a PG on video, since the cinema version was released in 1974 uncut with an A certificate, the same as today's PG, and there's nothing in the film which warrants anything higher. And, by that reasoning, the film should be allowed to pass uncut on TV at any time of the day or night, except perhaps for a couple uses of the word 'shit' by some of the characters.”

I was going to say about one scene...

Quote:
“But even if you disagree with all of that and say the film should be a 12, or what have you, one cut (on ITV and now C4) has always, always baffled me (spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the film): The shot of Jennifer Jones - or her dummy substitute - as it falls down the side of the building after she topples out of the scenic elevator. In the direct aftermath of 9/11, I could understand why this might be deemed insensitive, but by anyone's standards - moral or otherwise - I can't even begin to fathom why a shot of a dummy hurtling from a great height should be considered unsuitable for a pre-watershed slot, in any context whatsoever.”

And it's that one. It's the kind of film which will only get daytime slots because it's not a ratings draw for an evening, and then it's even more stupid that it gets cut for that scene because everyone's expecting it!

I wonder if there's an unofficial watershed for 'shit', since it gets cut aplenty from Back to the Future 1-3 on ITV, but BBC1 showed Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in an early evening slot (as they always do) and it was around 8.30pm where Indy was on the bridge and as he realises he's surrounded, he pauses and sighs, "Oh, shit..."
theonlyweeman
12-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“I wonder if there's an unofficial watershed for 'shit', since it gets cut aplenty from Back to the Future 1-3 on ITV, but BBC1 showed Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in an early evening slot (as they always do) and it was around 8.30pm where Indy was on the bridge and as he realises he's surrounded, he pauses and sighs, "Oh, shit..."”

I've seen Channel 5 play it out at 1PM on a Saturday before, but it was quite hidden. And Dave used to regularly play out Suits out uncut at 7PM "shit"s, cannabis use and all...
Libretio
13-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“It's the kind of film which will only get daytime slots because it's not a ratings draw for an evening, and then it's even more stupid that it gets cut for that scene because everyone's expecting it!”

I fear you may be right about this not being a ratings draw for evening slots, even though it's a terrific picture and is HIGHLY recommended for anyone who's never seen it before (try the Blu-ray version first, though).

But the cut I mentioned in my earlier post is just... well, it's just stupid. (spoilers, etc.) I know it's a sympathetic character, but it's just a dummy bouncing down the side of a building! No brains coming out, no gushing intestines, not so much as a single drop of the old Red Stuff. Just... a dummy.

Like I said, absolutely baffling.
mattyb
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“And it's that one. It's the kind of film which will only get daytime slots because it's not a ratings draw for an evening, and then it's even more stupid that it gets cut for that scene because everyone's expecting it!

I wonder if there's an unofficial watershed for 'shit', since it gets cut aplenty from Back to the Future 1-3 on ITV, but BBC1 showed Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in an early evening slot (as they always do) and it was around 8.30pm where Indy was on the bridge and as he realises he's surrounded, he pauses and sighs, "Oh, shit..."”

It's actually down to the broadcaster to whether or not they show PG rated film uncut. Watch and Gold show them uncut as do Sony Channel. Channel 4 show the odd one from time to time, but in my opinion with millions of viewers who either got sky movies or Netflix etc, you expect tv channels to just show PG films uncut.
Libretio
14-08-2013
Originally Posted by mattyb:
“It's actually down to the broadcaster to whether or not they show PG rated film uncut. Watch and Gold show them uncut as do Sony Channel. Channel 4 show the odd one from time to time, but in my opinion with millions of viewers who either got sky movies or Netflix etc, you expect tv channels to just show PG films uncut.”

Watch, Sony and Gold are all part of the Sky platform, so people make a conscious choice to access films in this way by paying a premium. The 'rules' for Freeview are more stringent because everyone has access to it for non-subscription-based broadcasting.

The trouble with the C4 channels is that there's no consistency from film to film. THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE is regularly broadcast uncut pre-watershed, despite having quite a few PG-level swear words (shit, bastard, etc.). Same goes for COACH CARTER. Yet most other PG-level swearing is cut from the vast majority of titles. And whereas C4 used to make sure viewers knew in advance if programmes or films had been edited, they've since become much more attuned to their commercial 'responsibilities' and are quite happy to let most people view edited material in complete ignorance of what has been done in 'their' name.
Libretio
16-08-2013
(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

* = May not be screened in all areas (check your local listings).

Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (17 - 23 August):


Saturday (17 August)

• Anzio (C5)
• Armageddon (BBC 3)
• August Rush (Film 4)
• The Beach (E4)
• The Bourne Supremacy (ITV 2)
• Charlie's Angels (5*)
• The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Film 4) [3-D]
• The Contract (5 USA)
• Demolition Man (ITV 4)
• Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (ITV 1) [partial 3-D]
• In God's Hands (Movie Mix)
• Just Wright (Film 4)
• Knight and Day (ITV 1)
• Magnum Force (ITV 4)
• Mission Impossible (C4)
• Rabbit-Proof Fence (BBC 2)
• Red Dragon (ITV 2)
• Saints and Soldiers: Airborne Creed (Movie Mix)
• Shanghai Noon (BBC 3)
• State of Play (ITV 1)*
• The Ugly Truth (Film 4)
• Underwater! (BBC 2) [2.00:1]
• What a Girl Wants (ITV 2)
• Where Eagles Dare (ITV 4)


Sunday (18 August)

• Around the World in 80 Days (5*)
• Baarμa (C4)
• Charlie's Angels (5*)
• Dear John (C4)
• The Fifth Element [Le Cinquiθme Ιlιment] (5*)
• Flash Gordon (ITV 4)
• Frost/Nixon (BBC 2)
• Hitched (C5)
• Krakatoa: East of Java (BBC 2) [Super Panavision 70] [2.21:1]
• The Last Frontier (Film 4)
• The Legend of Zorro (C4)
• The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (Film 4)
• Mad Money (Film 4)
• Next (C5)
• The Ordeal [Calvaire] (Film 4)
• The Scorpion King (ITV 2)
• Shanghai Knights (BBC 3)
• Step Up 3 [Step Up 3D] (C4) [3-D] [1.85:1]


Monday (19 August)

• Anastasia (Film 4)
• Bandslam (Film 4)
• Bulletproof (5*)
• Bullwhip (C4)
• The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (Film 4)
• Primal (Film 4)
• The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (Film 4)
• Shaun of the Dead (ITV 2)


Tuesday (20 August)

• Broken Lance (More 4) [2.55:1]
• The Business (5*)
• The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Film 4)
• King Solomon's Mines (Film 4)
• The Ninth Gate [La Neuviθme Porte] (5 USA)
• Ramona and Beezus (Film 4)


Wednesday (21 August)

• Bridget Jones's Diary (ITV 2)
• The DaVinci Code (C5)
• Demolition Man (ITV 4)
• Dragonball: Evolution (Film 4)
• Julia's Eyes [Los Ojos de Julia] (Film 4)
• Kiss Them for Me (C4)
• Passenger 57 (ITV 4)
• Smart People (BBC 1)
• The Social Network (Film 4)


Thursday (22 August)

• Bonneville (C5)
• Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason (ITV 2)
• Fool's Gold (Film 4)
• Gulliver's Travels (Film 4) [3-D]
• The Imposter (C4)
• A Knight's Tale (Film 4)
• The Pledge (ITV 1)*
• Red Hill (Film 4)
• The Tourist (Film 4)


Friday (23 August)

• Bandslam (Film 4)
• The Beach (E4)
• Blitz (5*)
• The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (Film 4) [3-D]
• Derailed (BBC 1)
• The Entity (Movie Mix)
• Kidulthood (BBC 2)
• The Magnificent Showman [Circus World] (BBC 2) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]
• Night at the Museum 2 [Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian] (Film 4)
• Pitch Black (ITV 1)*
• Tears of the Sun (Movie Mix)
• What Happens in Vegas... (Film 4)
DVDfever
16-08-2013
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“The trouble with the C4 channels is that there's no consistency from film to film. THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE is regularly broadcast uncut pre-watershed, despite having quite a few PG-level swear words (shit, bastard, etc.). Same goes for COACH CARTER. Yet most other PG-level swearing is cut from the vast majority of titles. And whereas C4 used to make sure viewers knew in advance if programmes or films had been edited, they've since become much more attuned to their commercial 'responsibilities' and are quite happy to let most people view edited material in complete ignorance of what has been done in 'their' name.”

What's the language in Coach Carter? A google finds the BBFC have given it both PG and 12, but I haven't seen it myself. There's 'no cuts' to the PG version, so I'm wondering if it's a self-excised f-word.

There are a lot of PG-13 US films which are that way just because of a single f-word.
Libretio
17-08-2013
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“What's the language in Coach Carter? A google finds the BBFC have given it both PG and 12, but I haven't seen it myself. There's 'no cuts' to the PG version, so I'm wondering if it's a self-excised f-word.

There are a lot of PG-13 US films which are that way just because of a single f-word.”

I have the DVD, rated 12 for 'moderate language and brief sex references'. So, no F-bombs, but quite a bit of PG-level swearing. It'll probably be the sex references which pushed it into the 12 category, but who knows what runs through the BBFC's minds when deciding a borderline category?
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