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Old 20-10-2013, 20:48
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Might check out King Kong, ta, and I've still not seen Superman IV before.



And 4 years old, now, too. This doesn't bode well for when they eventually show 2012, which is at least a year late(!)
KING KONG was, indeed, OAR.

And just to make a liar out of me, Sony TV provided a nice OAR print of CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS for broadcast on C5. But since it was only in 2-D, it was still a waste of time...
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Old 21-10-2013, 16:45
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KING KONG was, indeed, OAR.

And just to make a liar out of me, Sony TV provided a nice OAR print of CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS for broadcast on C5. But since it was only in 2-D, it was still a waste of time...
Sony films on Channel 5 have been OAR like Monster House, I didn't realise Cloudy was 2.35.1, Many animated films weren't 2.35.1 until a few years ago.
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Old 22-10-2013, 14:41
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Sony films on Channel 5 have been OAR like Monster House
But few and far between. Now, it may be the case that Sony provides no more (or less) OAR prints than anyone else, but it certainly feels like the vast majority of films which open with a Columbia logo are cropped to 16:9, regardless of the original ratio (whether scope or 1.85).
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Old 23-10-2013, 12:47
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Don't think I posted this before, but I asked the BBC what was up with their broadcasts of Lara Croft: Tomb Raider, as sometimes it's 2.35:1 and sometimes it's 16:9. And I got a reply that actually answers the question!!

"Dear Mr Robinson,

Thank you for contacting us about the broadcast of Lara Croft: Tomb Raider on 22nd September. I note you are unhappy that the film was broadcast in 16:9 rather than 2.35:1. I have raised this with the team that oversees acquired films, who explained that, unfortunately, we have had technical problems with the existing 2.35:1 material, but we are hoping to have a new version in this format for future transmissions.

I hope this explanation goes some way towards addressing your concerns.

Yours sincerely,

Philip Austin
BBC Audience Services"
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Old 25-10-2013, 13:24
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Good for you, Mr Fever! Would that all responses to such enquiries were so simple and forthright.

Forgot to mention that THE WAY BACK premiered OAR on BBC 2 the other night.
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Old 25-10-2013, 13:26
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(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

* = May not be screened in all areas (check your local listings).

Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (26 October - 1 November):


Saturday (26 October)

Along Came a Spider (Film 4)
AVP: Alien vs. Predator (5*)
Black Knight (Film 4)
Breakout (Movie Mix)
Deja Vu (BBC 3)
The Devil's Brigade (5 USA)
Die Hard 2 (C4)
An Education (BBC 2)
Letters to Juliet (Film 4)
Midway (ITV 4)
Monsters vs. Aliens (CBBC) [3-D]
The Phantom (Film 4)
Stake Land (Film 4)
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (ITV 1)
Tears of the Sun (Movie Mix)
Twister (ITV 2)


Sunday (27 October)

4: Rise of the Silver Surfer (E4)
After the Sunset (Film 4)
Clear and Present Danger (Film 4)
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs (C5) [3-D]
Custer of the West (5 USA) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]
Demolition Man (ITV 4)
Doctor Dolittle (Film 4) [Todd-AO] [2.21:1]
The Elephant Man (ITV 3)
Ghost Busters (C5)
Holy Man (Film 4)
Maid in Manhattan (C4)
Monster House (C5) [3-D]
Passenger 57 (ITV 4)
The Perfect Storm (ITV 2)
Scre4m (C5)
The War Wagon (ITV 4)
The Wicker Man (C5)


Monday (28 October)

Dear John (Film 4)
How to Marry a Millionaire (Film 4) [2.55:1]
The Prince and the Pauper (Film 4)
Wind Chill (5*)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (Film 4)


Tuesday (29 October)

The Entity (Movie Mix)
Escape to Victory [Victory] (C4)
Man of the House (Movie Mix)
The Patriot (5 USA)
Shoot 'Em Up (5 USA)
Space Cowboys (ITV 4)
Zulu (Film 4) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]


Wednesday (30 October)

Bullwhip (Film 4)
End of Days (Film 4)
The Great Sioux Massacre (C4)
Holy Man (Film 4)
Legend (Film 4)
Passenger 57 (ITV 4)
The Phantom (Film 4)
Rush Hour 3 (Film 4)
Secret Window (Movie Mix)
The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (E4)


Thursday (Halloween)

Antichrist (Film 4)
The Bravados (C4)
The Entity (Movie Mix)
The Fourth Kind (Film 4)
Halloween II (5*)
Knights of the Round Table (More 4) [2.55:1]
Magnum Force (ITV 4)
Space Cowboys (ITV 4)
Vampires (Movie Mix)


Friday (1 November)

Captivity (ITV 1)*
D.A.R.Y.L. (Movie Mix)
Doctor Dolittle (Film 4) [Todd-AO] [2.21:1]
The Elephant Man (ITV 3)
Halloween: Resurrection (BBC 1)
The Hills Have Eyes (Movie Mix)
Kill List (Film 4)
Knowing (More 4)
Letters to Juliet (Film 4)
Monsters vs. Aliens (CBBC) [3-D]
Scre4m (5*)
The Simpsons Movie (Film 4)
Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)
A Town Called Panic [Panique au Village] (Film 4)
TT3D: Closer to the Edge (ITV 1) [3-D] [1.85:1]*
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Old 25-10-2013, 14:12
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Good for you, Mr Fever! Would that all responses to such enquiries were so simple and forthright.
Indeed. And the first response, too. I didn't have to jump through hoops to get it (for a change)
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Old 29-10-2013, 14:48
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SCRE4M premiered OAR on C5 t'other night. Never been a fan of the series meself - I always thought Craven wasn't so much paying homage to the 'slasher' films of the 1980's as taking the piss. And not just the movies, but those who watched 'em (ie. "See how we're turning the conventions on their head? Aren't we cleverer than those films? And aren't you silly for having watched and enjoyed 'em?"). I used to think Joe Dante did the same thing back in the 1980's, with the likes of PIRANHA and THE HOWLING. Nothing changes, so it seems...
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Old 29-10-2013, 22:37
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Escape To Victory OAR on my TV Set and Channel Four today
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Old 30-10-2013, 11:49
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Ah, OAR willies in the shower
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Old 30-10-2013, 21:30
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Ah, OAR willies in the shower
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Old 31-10-2013, 23:01
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Halloween II (5*) - crap 4:3 print
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Old 01-11-2013, 13:47
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Halloween II (5*) - crap 4:3 print
Thanks for that confirmation. I'd intended to check this one out and forgot all about it. Pity about the poor print.

Still, you can always check it out on DVD, or region-free Blu-ray from the States. We still haven't got an OAR print of HALLOWEEN III: SEASON OF THE WITCH on video in the UK, not even on DVD!!
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Old 01-11-2013, 13:49
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(Unless otherwise indicated, all films in the following list were projected at 2.35:1 prior to 1971, and at 2.39:1 thereafter)

* = May not be screened in all areas (check your local listings).

Scope and 3-D movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (2 - 8 November):


Saturday (2 November)

Becket (BBC 2)
Ben-Hur (Film 4) [MGM Camera 65] [2.76:1]
Bitter Victory [Amère Victoire] (BBC 2)
A Cock and Bull Story (BBC 2)
D.A.R.Y.L. (Movie Mix)
Dear John (Film 4)
The Eagle (C4)
A Field in England (Film 4)
Legend (Film 4)
Magnum Force (ITV 4)
Man of the House (Movie Mix)
Octane (BBC 2)
Once Upon a Time in Anatolia [Bir Zamanlar Andolu'da] (C4)
The Perfect Storm (ITV 2)
The Recruit (BBC 3)
Saints and Soldiers: Airborne Creed (Movie Mix)
Shooter (E4)
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (ITV 1)
Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)
The War Wagon (ITV 4)


Sunday (3 November)

2012 (C5)
Cars (BBC 3)
Creep (C5)
Definitely, Maybe (Film 4)
DragonHeart (ITV 2)
Dr. Dolittle 2 (5*)
Ghost Busters (C5)
Grease (C4)
The Green Berets (ITV 4)
The Invisible (BBC 2)
Man From God's Country (5 USA)
The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (E4)
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (C4)
U-571 (C5)


Monday (4 November)

2 Fast 2 Furious (ITV 2)
Arizona Raiders (Film 4)
Baarìa (Film 4)
Hombre (C4)
Judge Dredd (C5)
Knowing (More 4)
The Losers (5*)
Rush Hour 3 (Film 4)
Stake Land (Film 4)
Titan A.E. (Movie Mix)


Tuesday (Bonfire Night)

Attack the Block (Film 4)
Broken Lance (Film 4) [2.55:1]
Bullwhip (Film 4)
Drag Me to Hell (5*)
The Men Who Stare at Goats (BBC 1)
The Sea Chase (Film 4) [2.55:1]
The Simpsons Movie (Film 4)


Wednesday (6 November)

Avatar (Film 4) [3-D] [1.85:1]
Cave of Forgotten Dreams (Film 4) [3-D] [1.85:1]
The Day the Earth Stood Still (E4)
Gulliver's Travels (Film 4) [3-D]
The Hindenburg (Film 4)
Killers (5*)
Pathfinder (Film 4)
Step Brothers (C5)


Thursday (7 November)

Cape Fear (ITV 4)
D.A.R.Y.L. (Movie Mix)
Gone in Sixty Seconds (5*)
The Hills Have Eyes (Film 4)
No Country for Old Men (Film 4)
Quantum of Solace (ITV 2)
That Touch of Mink (C4)
When a Woman Ascends the Stairs [女が階段を上る時] (Film 4)


Friday (8 November)

The 13th Warrior (BBC 1)
2 Fast 2 Furious (ITV 2)
Animal Kingdom (Film 4)
Arizona Raiders (Film 4)
Ben-Hur (Film 4) [MGM Camera 65] [2.76:1]
Bulletproof Monk (5*)
Definitely, Maybe (Film 4)
Escape to Athena (C4)
Fracture (Film 4)
Greenberg (C4)
Murphy's War (More 4)
My Sister's Keeper (More 4)
Quantum of Solace (ITV 2)
Shooter (E4)
StreetDance (BBC 3) [3-D] [1.85:1]
Wanted (ITV 1)*
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Old 02-11-2013, 00:06
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Halloween: Resurrection is OAR on BBC1 now. Haven't seen it before but it looks pretty crap as a film, although a pristine OAR print.

Titan AE was 16:9 on Movie Mix, earlier. Haven't seen that channel on in the gym before. Had absolutely no idea what was going on in the film.
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Old 02-11-2013, 14:23
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Halloween: Resurrection is OAR on BBC1 now. Haven't seen it before but it looks pretty crap as a film, although a pristine OAR print.
It is every bit as crap as you thought it was! After the highs of HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER (shown last week in cropped/reframed 16:9), the series just went straight downhill again.

By the way: As promised, I took a look at my recording of EARTHQUAKE and was quick to switch off again. It was absolutely scrubbed clean of ANY possible offence, including language and 'violence' (such as the cartoon splatter of 'blood' which hits the lens when the elevator plummets down the shaft, and the shot of a woman with glass in her face which was clearly there BEFORE she got hit by the falling window!). Absolutely ridiculous.

I wouldn't mind if they provided an on-screen announcement about edited versions before a film starts, but they don't. C4 is currently crowing about how it was conceived as a 'daring' alternative to the other channels, and how it was able to go whether other broadcasters feared to tread. That was true at the beginning - when they first started, they refused to cut films which had been snipped by the BBFC and would make sure audiences knew material had been edited prior to broadcast, whenever they were forced to do so (such as the first screening of SCUM and A BIGGER SPLASH). Nowadays, they are just as ridiculous as other broadcasters.

Ofcom's rules be damned: I'd like to KNOW UP-FRONT if I'm getting a compromised print so I can make an informed choice as to whether I continue watching. And if I'm not allowed to know, I'd like to know why (probably because they'd have to do it for virtually every post-1970 movie shown before the watershed - and that's a LOT of material!).
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Old 02-11-2013, 14:29
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It is every bit as crap as you thought it was! After the highs of HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER (shown last week in cropped/reframed 16:9), the series just went straight downhill again.

By the way: As promised, I took a look at my recording of EARTHQUAKE and was quick to switch off again. It was absolutely scrubbed clean of ANY possible offence, including language and 'violence' (such as the cartoon splatter of 'blood' which hits the lens when the elevator plummets down the shaft, and the shot of a woman with glass in her face which was clearly there BEFORE she got hit by the falling window!). Absolutely ridiculous.

I wouldn't mind if they provided an on-screen announcement about edited versions before a film starts, but they don't. C4 is currently crowing about how it was conceived as a 'daring' alternative to the other channels, and how it was able to go whether other broadcasters feared to tread. That was true at the beginning - when they first started, they refused to cut films which had been snipped by the BBFC and would make sure audiences knew material had been edited prior to broadcast, whenever they were forced to do so (such as the first screening of SCUM and A BIGGER SPLASH). Nowadays, they are just as ridiculous as other broadcasters.

Ofcom's rules be damned: I'd like to KNOW UP-FRONT if I'm getting a compromised print so I can make an informed choice as to whether I continue watching. And if I'm not allowed to know, I'd like to know why (probably because they'd have to do it for virtually every post-1970 movie shown before the watershed - and that's a LOT of material!).
C4 normally put in the program's description if it has been edited and why. The Radio Times website normally lists it as well (but the way their site works, it also says post-watershed version have been edited too, even though they haven't).
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:57
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It is every bit as crap as you thought it was! After the highs of HALLOWEEN H20: 20 YEARS LATER (shown last week in cropped/reframed 16:9), the series just went straight downhill again.
I thought H20 was just as bad, but I agree with your point about C4 once pretending to be a daring channel.
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Old 03-11-2013, 13:17
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C4 normally put in the program's description if it has been edited and why. The Radio Times website normally lists it as well (but the way their site works, it also says post-watershed version have been edited too, even though they haven't).
I've heard it said by other posters that C4 provides info in the program - programme?* - description, but I'm not sure what that means. I've never seen that in the on-screen info provided by my Freeview box, for instance. And while I take your point about the Radio Times website (an unreliable source, as you make clear), people shouldn't have to go to other places for info of this kind. If broadcasters are obliged to warn viewers prior to transmission about potentially offensive material - and I'm all for that - there's no reason why they shouldn't be obliged to warn potential viewers of edited prints (for ALL material, not just films).

* Apologies, but my inner pedant couldn't resist.
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Old 03-11-2013, 13:31
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I've heard it said by other posters that C4 provides info in the program - programme?* - description, but I'm not sure what that means. I've never seen that in the on-screen info provided by my Freeview box, for instance. And while I take your point about the Radio Times website (an unreliable source, as you make clear), people shouldn't have to go to other places for info of this kind. If broadcasters are obliged to warn viewers prior to transmission about potentially offensive material - and I'm all for that - there's no reason why they shouldn't be obliged to warn potential viewers of edited prints (for ALL material, not just films).

* Apologies, but my inner pedant couldn't resist.
They aren't obliged to warn people, they do it because it gains them extra leverage with Ofcom should someone complain. Nobody's going to complain to Ofcom about a censored print so they don't gain anything by warning people about it...
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Old 03-11-2013, 13:43
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Nobody's going to complain to Ofcom about a censored print so they don't gain anything by warning people about it...
Actually, somebody HAS complained to Ofcom about a censored print - namely, me.

EARTHQUAKE was the final straw. I've just made an official complaint to Ofcom, making the wider point about the need for warnings prior to transmission, NOT in programme guides and online sources. Whether my complaint gets any results is another story (I'm fully expecting a reply waffling on about the need to 'protect' people before the watershed, as if any of us didn't already know, and which isn't the point of my complaint anyway).

Watch this space.
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Old 03-11-2013, 14:02
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Actually, somebody HAS complained to Ofcom about a censored print - namely, me.

EARTHQUAKE was the final straw. I've just made an official complaint to Ofcom, making the wider point about the need for warnings prior to transmission, NOT in programme guides and online sources. Whether my complaint gets any results is another story (I'm fully expecting a reply waffling on about the need to 'protect' people before the watershed, as if any of us didn't already know, and which isn't the point of my complaint anyway).

Watch this space.
You realise that:
1) That has nothing to do with Ofcom
2) They only investigate "reasonable" complaints, you probably won't even get a reply
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Old 03-11-2013, 19:26
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1) That has nothing to do with Ofcom
The programme in question was broadcast on a channel covered by Ofcom's regulations, so falls within their remit. I'm not sure why you'd think it HASN'T got something to do with Ofcom.

2) They only investigate "reasonable" complaints, you probably won't even get a reply
Define 'reasonable'. If a handful of complaints - sometimes even a single complaint! - can get a programme censured/taken off air, etc, why would my enquiry about an insidious practice that is mostly hidden from the vast majority of viewers be considered 'unreasonable'?

And even if I don't get a reply, isn't it better to have at least tried?
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Old 03-11-2013, 19:38
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The programme in question was broadcast on a channel covered by Ofcom's regulations, so falls within their remit. I'm not sure why you'd think it HASN'T got something to do with Ofcom.



Define 'reasonable'. If a handful of complaints - sometimes even a single complaint! - can get a programme censured/taken off air, etc, why would my enquiry about an insidious practice that is mostly hidden from the vast majority of viewers be considered 'unreasonable'?

And even if I don't get a reply, isn't it better to have at least tried?
Ofcom consider complaints against their Broadcasting Code. Since programming being edited is permissible (perhaps even recommended) under the code, Ofcom do not have the power to deal with it and the complaint will not get anywhere.

"Reasonable" in this context (as in complaining about a TV show you saw, but did not feature in) would be likely to have caused offence or harm to a significant number of people. The content of the show did not offend or harm you. (And you may have been offended it was cut, but that doesn't count.) Chances are they'll laugh you out the door.

No, if you wanted to complain to someone, complain to the broadcaster. Maybe you will receive a load of shit you've heard before, but at least you'll have spoken to somebody with the power to change it.
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Old 03-11-2013, 20:44
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Ofcom consider complaints against their Broadcasting Code.
Ofcom considers all complaints about programmes within their remit, and isn't confined to issues arising from contravention of the Broadcasting Code. And even if you were right, offences against the Code can take many forms (see my answer to your other point, below).

"Reasonable" in this context (as in complaining about a TV show you saw, but did not feature in) would be likely to have caused offence or harm to a significant number of people.
Ofcom doesn't concern itself solely with issues of offence and harm - it also takes on board a wide variety of other issues, such as impartiality and accuracy, etc. My own complaint is as valid as any other. Had I thought for a single moment their remit was as narrow as you imagine, I certainly wouldn't have bothered complaining to them!
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