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PhilH36
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“What an arrogant get he is.”

Given your constant insults and feelings of superiority aimed at both broadcasters and other viewers,one could say the same about you.

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“a number of viewers are so interminably thick they'll think that stretching a 4:3 programme across a 16:9 makes it "widescreen", and that a flatscreen TV makes everything "HD"”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“(although ITV and Five are being quite lame about it)”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“The average viewer doesn't have any real understanding of things like that.”


Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“but then you don't really care what you watch, do you?”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Which films have Five shown in 2.35:1? I don't know of any. They're the most clueless out of all the broadcasters.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Medusa hired a very clueless man as their Head DVD producer”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“But then it was Five, so what do you expect?”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“BBC2 went with a 16:9 print of There Will Be Blood. Dimwits.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“You've bought a Blu-ray player yet don't mind films getting cropped? Does not compute.

Blu-ray is meant to be for people who have a love of films, not who don't mind them being screwed about by TV stations.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Aka "Currys employees" ”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“That's good to know. Shame the BBC keep showing their crappy old prints a lot of the time.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“How can it still be HD if it's a half-assed version? That's the kind of thing ITV usually do.

I think anyone dumb enough to use the 14:9 setting on their digibox gets everything they deserve.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“16:9 is not any more of a hardship for you than 14:9, and if you can't read text on a 14" 4:3 screen for a 16:9 programme/film then I have to say you do need glasses.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“the broadcasters are one of the groups of people who don't really care about their output.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“For anyone who thinks that I just ask them how they managed to get a driving licence with such poor eyesight.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Well, Ocean's 5.2 at 9pm, and Ocean's 7.8 at 10.35pm, since they're too moronic not to try and schedule films that aren't going to clash with the news.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“2/3 of JFK on BBC2 right now. What a "FK" up ”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“The BBFC can be such twits (misprint).”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“I thought they were just being morons, as they often were with films until recently.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Just had a look myself. ABOUT BLOODY TIME!!”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“There is help available... Give £2/month... or whatever you can... ”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“And if my family wanted to watch a cropped film, I'd disown them.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“God, that woman needed a reality check.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Well, it's just a "Mine's bigger than yours" willy-waving contest now and the channels are run by bean counters rather than people who care about what the viewers want, that much is obvious.

None of them dare remove their logos now because they're so retarded that they think they'll lose ratings as a result, or that they'll get a hard time from their bosses. It's a sorry situation.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“BBC HD and BBC1 HD is controlled by an idiot.”

horns
15-01-2011
Indeed. Mr Fever has repeatedly and clearly indicated that he feels he knows better than the people who run the channels, the people who make the programmes, and the people who watch them. One wonders if there is anyone he doesn't consider his intellectual inferior?
RussellIan
15-01-2011
Oh my goodness how causus belli everything has become. In my day, ie the dark 90s, the only OAR films I recall ever being screened were 'Land Of The Pharoas' on C4, and 'The Long Goodbye' on BBC2. I'm pretty sure both were 'accidents'.
mwardy
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by RussellIan:
“Hi Libretio, I just want to say Hola as I remember your excellent and informative work on the C4 forums before they, ahem, well we all know. Please keep up the good work. ”

Seconded--except I never was very clear on what went on over there at the end...
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“BBC One HD Starship Troopers in 16:9. ”

Starship Troopers was filmed that way. Well, 1.85:1.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/technical
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“Seconded--except I never was very clear on what went on over there at the end...”

What happened?
mwardy
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“What happened?”

All I know is the forums got pulled pretty abruptly. Perhaps Russelllan can fill in the blanks?
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“All I know is the forums got pulled pretty abruptly. Perhaps Russelllan can fill in the blanks?”

They were pretty badly programmed in the first place and always seemed like an afterthought.

I quite liked the TV Show, since it was around 7 years since Right to Reply had finished, but C4 soon got bored, as after the first year it became every two months rather than monthly, and was gone by 2010.
RussellIan
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“All I know is the forums got pulled pretty abruptly. Perhaps Russelllan can fill in the blanks?”

Not really. I just heard a rumour they were pulled because some of the forums (BB as a prime example) were like the internet equivalent of Tolkien's 'dead marshes' in terms of dripping with malevolence, and that they just couldn't be bothered to mod it all given the implications. Same as with the BBC message boards.
mwardy
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by RussellIan:
“Not really. I just heard a rumour they were pulled because some of the forums (BB as a prime example) were like the internet equivalent of Tolkien's 'dead marshes' in terms of dripping with malevolence, and that they just couldn't be bothered to mod it all given the implications. Same as with the BBC message boards.”

Ah, OK. It's a shame as that widescreen thread was indeed very informative, mainly because of Libretio's posts. (No blushing there! ) I wonder if they played any part in C4's move to OAR? I guess we'll never know...
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“Ah, OK. It's a shame as that widescreen thread was indeed very informative, mainly because of Libretio's posts. (No blushing there! ) I wonder if they played any part in C4's move to OAR? I guess we'll never know...”

When were they pulled? C4 started making the widescreen effort from the start of December 2007.
RussellIan
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“Ah, OK. It's a shame as that widescreen thread was indeed very informative, mainly because of Libretio's posts. (No blushing there! ) I wonder if they played any part in C4's move to OAR? I guess we'll never know...”

I think C4's move was always coming. I remember in the days of 'premium' Film 4 that they would occasionally have 'crossover' screenings onto mainstream Channel 4 - such as Suspiria, which was shown OAR back at the turn of the century. Of course, stuff like Salo and Ai No Corrida was never going to make it onto C4 in any aspect ratio! Having said that, I did find it dead weird that they scheduled Argento's Tenebrae once, but never again. Makes me wonder whether that sole screening actually went ahead, or whether it was pulled.

I think in the majority of cases for C4's existing film catalogue, it was a case of having licenses for 16:9 versions of titles, and having to renew them gradually with OAR versions - it's still happening now in a minority of cases.
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by RussellIan:
“I think in the majority of cases for C4's existing film catalogue, it was a case of having licenses for 16:9 versions of titles, and having to renew them gradually with OAR versions - it's still happening now in a minority of cases.”

There is still the occasional film, but the majority of 16:9 prints disappeared overnight.

On a Temple of Doom note, I just caught up on Wed's Homes under the Hammer (it's a guilty pleasure of mine) and the announcer said, "That rope bridge in all of its glory tonight. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom at 8.10pm". That's one way of phrasing it.
RussellIan
15-01-2011
Now now it wasn't quite 'overnight', as those of us who were avowed followers of Libretio's ardently campaigning thread remember all to well - and frustratedly, given how arbitrary the 'switch' seemed to be in its early days.

As for Indy, the rope bridge might have been in all its glory, but I'm guessing the gory bits weren't...
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by RussellIan:
“Now now it wasn't quite 'overnight', as those of us who were avowed followers of Libretio's ardently campaigning thread remember all to well - and frustratedly, given how arbitrary the 'switch' seemed to be in its early days.”

To my recollection, there was definitely a massive sea change from December 1st 2007, so overnight it became a great deal of 16:9 prints being replaced by 2.35:1.

I emailed C4 to ask why LOTR Two Towers was cropped to 16:9 after this date, as the first (and the last, as it turned out) were 2.35:1, and they said they had a duff print but would sort it for next time, which they did.
mwardy
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“To my recollection, there was definitely a massive sea change from December 1st 2007, so overnight it became a great deal of 16:9 prints being replaced by 2.35:1.

I emailed C4 to ask why LOTR Two Towers was cropped to 16:9 after this date, as the first (and the last, as it turned out) were 2.35:1, and they said they had a duff print but would sort it for next time, which they did.”

My recollection is closer to Ruselllan's: At some point whose date I'm not sure of 2.35 screenings started to appear, possibly mainly on Film4 , but it was very patchy--hence long lists weekly (or more frequent) lists of heroes and zeroes as Libretio painstakingly kept track of what was going on. Gradually the proportion of heroes increased. December 2007 may have been the point where it became clear a change of policy had taken place, but it was surely after uneven beginnings. Perhaps they were sounding out audience reponse.
jzee
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“On a Temple of Doom note, I just caught up on Wed's Homes under the Hammer (it's a guilty pleasure of mine) and the announcer said, "That rope bridge in all of its glory tonight. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom at 8.10pm". That's one way of phrasing it.”

Ironically the bridge/chasm scene right from where the water bursts out was a scene that really showed up the limitations of old effects in HD, unfortunately I only recorded a bit of the scene but you can see here where the falling man looks like a cardboard cutout, you can see the join between the studio rock wall and the painted? rock scene & the line between water & rock looks completely fake.

Back to the thread's op, CBS Action showed Silver Hawk in 2.35:1 last night - screenshot , first I have seen on there in that ratio, although the logo was wrongly stretched so bigger than it needed to be.
DVDfever
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“My recollection is closer to Ruselllan's: At some point whose date I'm not sure of 2.35 screenings started to appear, possibly mainly on Film4 , but it was very patchy--hence long lists weekly (or more frequent) lists of heroes and zeroes as Libretio painstakingly kept track of what was going on. Gradually the proportion of heroes increased. December 2007 may have been the point where it became clear a change of policy had taken place, but it was surely after uneven beginnings. Perhaps they were sounding out audience reponse.”

I should've clarified that December 2007 was when things changed on Channel 4 (and its offshoots). Yes, there were a lot of films on Film4 in 2.35:1 beforehand which would get cropped to 16:9. It would've been the only reason to subscribe to Film4 at the time, had I done so, but their films repeated far too often.
DarthFader
15-01-2011
Many thanks to grahamcrowden and Libretio very interesting information, and I am very grateful to you both
Seymour Cat
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“I see Film4 is screening the 1956 version of INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS.”

I shall be interested to see this & possibly record it as well. All the DVD versions are non-anamorphic widescreen or 4x3 so the picture quality may be a step up for this broadcast.
Libretio
15-01-2011
Many thanks to all those who mentioned my 'work' (if you can call it that!) over at the C4 forums. I hope the listings I've compiled here will come in just as handy - I'll try and get them online every Friday, covering the following week from Saturday onwards.

And regards to DVDfever for putting minds at rest re: STARSHIP TROOPERS which was, indeed, filmed and projected at 1.85:1.

About the change-over from 16:9 on Film4: As I understand it, they used OAR for the most part whilst they were a subscription channel, but this changed abruptly when they went free-to-air (as I recall, THE FIFTH ELEMENT was cropped a couple of days after the switch-over, which partly prompted my listings on the C4 website). It didn't seem to take very long for them to switch back again, and it soon spread to C4, especially when they 'accidentally' broadcast INDEPENDENCE DAY on C4 at the full 2.35 ratio, as a test (not that they'd describe it that way, of course). Then, the change from 16:9 to OAR on all C4 stations began to happen very rapidly. That's how I recall it, anyway.

Originally Posted by Seymour Cat:
“I shall be interested to see this & possibly record it as well. All the DVD versions are non-anamorphic widescreen or 4x3 so the picture quality may be a step up for this broadcast.”

The last time INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS was shown by C4, it was 1.78, enhanced for 16:9, so you may be in luck! Fingers on the record button!!...
Libretio
15-01-2011
Sad to see the same old cropped print of EL CID on BBC 2 this afternoon. I know there's got to be a transition from older prints to all-OAR, but at the moment, it's really pot luck as to which film gets the 'Royal' treatment.

Call me impatient, if you like ("You're impatient!", I hear you cry).
grahamcrowden
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by horns:
“Indeed. Mr Fever has repeatedly and clearly indicated that he feels he knows better than the people who run the channels, the people who make the programmes, and the people who watch them. One wonders if there is anyone he doesn't consider his intellectual inferior?”

I think most people probably know better than the people who run the channels .
Over the years they have shown themselves to be clueless at best about many things.
grahamcrowden
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by mwardy:
“My recollection is closer to Ruselllan's: At some point whose date I'm not sure of 2.35 screenings started to appear, possibly mainly on Film4 , but it was very patchy--hence long lists weekly (or more frequent) lists of heroes and zeroes as Libretio painstakingly kept track of what was going on. Gradually the proportion of heroes increased. December 2007 may have been the point where it became clear a change of policy had taken place, but it was surely after uneven beginnings. Perhaps they were sounding out audience reponse.”

When Film4 was a subscription channel all its movies were in the right ratio all the time.
When it became FTA was when the shit hit the fan.
Gradually it has returned to correct ratios.

C4 also used to show films in the correct ratio but their laziness seemed to coincide with the apparent change of Film4 to FTA as if the hardcore film fan had not paid up to subscribe so C4 channels were going to cater for the masses.

Thats changed slowly too
mwardy
15-01-2011
Originally Posted by grahamcrowden:
“When Film4 was a subscription channel all its movies were in the right ratio all the time.
When it became FTA was when the shit hit the fan.”

Ah, right , this fits with what I remember. I took up the story once it was FTA again. This has to be right since I know I never subscribed!

Going back even further, I seem to recall some, or perhaps even a lot, of Film 4's output was also in OAR before it became a subscription channel. Can anyone confirm/correct?
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