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They didn't. It was in 16:9. In the Granada region, at least.
Saw it on Sky 3 a while back, when they had a 'best of Sky' weekend, full 2.35:1. Good film, too, much better than I thought it would be. |
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Pulp Fiction currently on BBC3 in 2.35:1 (repeated Sunday, BBC2, 11.25pm)
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Just out of interest, did they remove the DOG? (I realise it will be DOG free on BBC2)
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That reminded me of the BBC punched paper tape reader which was used in the mid 70s to control the pan position of the telecine.
IIRC each shot change was identified by a sticky metal dot placed on the film, which when detected triggered the next scan position. It must have taken a fair amount of work to prepare the film reels and the paper tape. In my experience those films always went onto VT and were never transmitted directly. ![]() I was also surprised that as late as 1985 the BBC were still broadcasting live from film prints rather than from VT - as seen by the film snapping on an episode of Star Trek I was taping and saved for posterity on Youtube |
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No, the pink monstrosity overlapped the picture.
I'm slightly surprised that Pulp Fiction was on BBC3.Generally, BBC1 type broadcasts are also on BBC3 while BBC2 type broadcasts are also on BBC4; I would've expected Pulp Fiction to have been on BBC4 (where the DOG would probably have been removed. Anyhow, my recorder is set for Sunday on BBC2
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Up to the point where I saw Goldfinger on ITV I assumed that anything that needed pan and scan would have been pre-recorded and I suspect Goldfinger may have been a one off for some reason as accurate P&S would be impossible in real time.
I was also surprised that as late as 1985 the BBC were still broadcasting live from film prints rather than from VT - as seen by the film snapping on an episode of Star Trek I was taping and saved for posterity on Youtube |
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Next week's scope movies (22 - 28 January) on Freeview TV:
27 DRESSES (Film4) AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER (Film4) ALFIE (More4) ALPHA DOG (BBC 1) AUSTIN POWERS IN GOLDMEMBER (Film4) BATTLE OF BRITAIN (Film4) BIG NOTHING (Film4) BRIGHT YOUNG THINGS (C4) BROKEN LANCE (More4) [2.55:1] CARMEN JONES (Film4) [2.55:1] CHISUM (Channel 5) THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN (BBC 3) CRY_WOLF (ITV 1) DESK SET (Film4) DRILLBIT TAYLOR (Film4) END OF DAYS (Film4) ESCAPE TO ATHENA (More4) FALLING DOWN (ITV 4) THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT (ITV 2) THE FIFTH ELEMENT [Le Cinquiθme Ιlιment] (Channel 5) GARDEN STATE (Film4) THE GUNFIGHT AT DODGE CITY (ITV 4) HARD TIMES (Five USA) HELL AND HIGH WATER (Film4) [2.55:1] HITCH (Fiver) HOMBRE (More4) THE HONEYMOONERS (Film4) HOW TO STEAL A MILLION (Film4) I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) ICE STATION ZEBRA (Five USA) [2.21:1] INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (Film4) [2.00:1] JOURNEY TO SHILOH (ITV 4) JUBAL (BBC 2) KING OF KINGS (Film4) [2.21:1] LAYER CAKE (Channel 5) LOGAN'S RUN (Channel 5) MAGNUM FORCE (ITV 4) McLINTOCK! (Film4) McQ (Channel 5) MURPHY'S WAR (Film4) THE MUSKETEER (BBC 2) MY BEST FRIEND [Mon Meilleur Ami] (BBC 4) NATIONAL TREASURE: BOOK OF SECRETS (BBC 3) THE NEVERENDING STORY [Die Unendliche Geschichten] (ITV 2) THE PERFECT CATCH [Fever Pitch] (Film4) PROOF (BBC 1) PULP FICTION (BBC 2) THE RARE BREED (ITV 4) RAW DEAL (ITV 4) THE RINGER (Film4) ROMEO & JULIET [see: William Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet] SCARY MOVIE (Film4) SHALAKO (ITV 4) SLEUTH (Film4) THE SPIDERWICK CHRONICLES (Film4) STARDUST (Film4) STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT (Film4) STAR TREK: INSURRECTION (Film4) STAR WARS EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH (ITV 1) SWAT (Five USA) THE TRANSPORTER [Le Transporteur] (Channel 5) TRUE ROMANCE (Channel 5) TWISTER (ITV 2) THE UNDEFEATED (Film4) UNDERWORLD (Film4) VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (ITV 4) WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS... (C4) WHAT LIES BENEATH (Film4) THE WICKER MAN (Channel 5) WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE'S ROMEO & JULIET (Film4) |
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Pulp Fiction currently on BBC2 in 2.35:1, and a bit later on BBC2 Scotland (Sky 990) at 12.05am.
Sadly, Five are showing True Romance in 4:3! Dear oh dear! |
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Channel 5 did show The Fifth Element in 2.35:1 before that though.
They do seriously need t update their movie catelogue though, or stop letting distributors palm them off with some good movies in HD and crappy 4:3 copies of other films as part of the deal. They should be demanding ALL in HD and ALL in OAR. Desmond can surely afford that, right? |
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Pulp Fiction currently on BBC2 in 2.35:1, and a bit later on BBC2 Scotland (Sky 990) at 12.05am.
Sadly, Five are showing True Romance in 4:3! Dear oh dear! PJ |
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I was impressed with Pulp, especially as it wasn't similicast on BBC HD which is sometimes their reason for doing the OAR on the SD channel.
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I know it's early days yet, but it seems the recent flurry of OAR movies on the BBC and other channels has amounted to something of a false dawn. Plenty of titles have come and gone over the last week or so, and most of them have been the same old cropped versions we all know and loathe (ie. POINT BREAK in 16:9, despite being announced as 'HD'). Yes, we'll have to wait for the companies to negotiate new versions of the same films, but it's dispiriting to see so many titles come and go in hideously cropped editions...
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William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juilet was in cropped 16:9 on Film4. Very surprised at them for that.
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I know it's early days yet, but it seems the recent flurry of OAR movies on the BBC and other channels has amounted to something of a false dawn. Plenty of titles have come and gone over the last week or so, and most of them have been the same old cropped versions we all know and loathe (ie. POINT BREAK in 16:9, despite being announced as 'HD'). Yes, we'll have to wait for the companies to negotiate new versions of the same films, but it's dispiriting to see so many titles come and go in hideously cropped editions...
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William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juilet was in cropped 16:9 on Film4. Very surprised at them for that.
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Was having a channel flick last night and noticed True Lies on TCM was cropped into 16:9. Unsure though whether it was my TV that hadn't adjusted itself to the correct ratio like it normally does.
If it was shown in that ratio I'm very surprised at TCM who show all their films in the OAR. |
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2.35:1 movies screening on Freeview TV for 29 January - 4 February.
It's pot luck as to whether Film4 will screen EQUILIBRIUM in OAR, since they can't seem to make their minds up on this one! First time they screened it, the film was 16:9. The next time they screened it, they restored the original ratio. But since then, it's been 16:9 all the way. Not sure, but this may have something to do with the Blu-ray release also being cropped to 16:9, rather than the full enchilada, and maybe the rights-holder didn't want to draw attention to the fact that their BR version was flawed in some way. LITTLE NORSE PRINCE will no doubt be cropped to something like 2.00:1 on C4, which is the ratio they've employed on this title since it was first broadcast on that channel a year or so ago. And as for WHEN EIGHT BELLS TOLL on More4...!! Unless they've updated their source print, More4 will present the same stupidly-cropped version they've always shown - 'windowboxed' at 1.66:1 within the 16:9 frame! And even though the uncut version was given the equivalent of a PG certificate in the early 1970's, it has since been re-certified 15, which means the early morning screening will doubtless be edited for violence, too. In other words, avoid like the plague... ALONG CAME A SPIDER (C4) AUSTIN POWERS IN GOLDMEMBER (Film4) BECKET (BBC 2) BIRTHDAY GIRL (Film4) CARMEN JONES (Film4) [2.55:1] CATTLE EMPIRE (C4) CELLULAR (Film4) CHARLIE'S ANGELS (Fiver) DESK SET (Film4) DIE HARD 2 (Film4) DR T & THE WOMEN (C4) EQUILIBRIUM (Film4) EVER AFTER (E4) FALLING DOWN (ITV 4) FANTASTIC FOUR (C4) FAR NORTH (Film4) THE FIFTH ELEMENT [Le Cinquiθme Ιlιment] (Channel 5) GERONIMO (ITV 4) A GOOD YEAR (Film4) HELL AND HIGH WATER (Film4) [2.55:1] ICE STATION ZEBRA (Five USA) [2.21:1] JACKIE CHAN'S WHO AM I? [see: Who Am I?] JOURNEY TO SHILOH (ITV 4) KELLY'S HEROES (Five USA) KISS OF THE DRAGON (Five USA) LAKE PLACID (Film4) LAKE TAHOE (Film4) LICENCE TO KILL (ITV 4) LITTLE NORSE PRINCE [Taiyo no Oji: Horusu no Daiboken] (C4) MAD MONEY (Film4) THE MATRIX (ITV 2) THE MUMMY (ITV 2) NED KELLY (ITV 1) THE NEVERENDING STORY [Die Unendliche Geschichten] (ITV 2) THE PATRIOT (Channel 5) THE PERFECT CATCH [Fever Pitch] (Film4) PERFECT CREATURE (BBC 1) PETER PAN (ITV 2) PHONE BOOTH (Film4) THE PUNISHER (Channel 5) THE QUILLER MEMORANDUM (More4) RABBIT-PROOF FENCE (BBC 2) RAW DEAL (ITV 4) THE RINGER (Film4) RIVER OF NO RETURN (More4) [2.55:1] RV (Channel 5) SCARY MOVIE (Film4) SHALAKO (ITV 4) THE SHAPE OF THINGS (Film4) SINK THE BISMARCK! (Film4) STAR TREK: INSURRECTION (Film4) STAR TREK: NEMESIS (Film4) THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON'T THEY? (BBC 2) THE WAR WAGON (ITV 4) WHEN EIGHT BELLS TOLL (More4) WHO AM I? (Channel 5) YOU'RE DEAD... (Film4) |
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They would occasionally turn up on regional ITV stations. I recall seeing LAND OF THE PHARAOHS and the 1979 version of DRACULA on Tyne Tees at something approaching their original ratio, back in the 1980's. But that was in the days of 4:3-only TV sets, so you'd need to strap a couple of Hubble telescopes to your eyeballs, just to get a sense of the grandeur these movies were supposed to impart...
Back then, 'accidents' did happen on the rare occasion, BBC2 also showed The Last Goodbye 2.35:1 during the same period. That's what led to my belief that broadcasters were manually 'zooming out' to 16:9, and on one or two very rare occasions 'forgot' to do it. |
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It's pot luck as to whether Film4 will screen EQUILIBRIUM in OAR, since they can't seem to make their minds up on this one! First time they screened it, the film was 16:9. The next time they screened it, they restored the original ratio. But since then, it's been 16:9 all the way. Not sure, but this may have something to do with the Blu-ray release also being cropped to 16:9, rather than the full enchilada, and maybe the rights-holder didn't want to draw attention to the fact that their BR version was flawed in some way.
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Apologies all round: It turns out that a 2.35:1 version of EQUILIBRIUM was released on BR, though I coulda swore it was released in 16:9, since I recall some controversy online over the decision. Maybe it was recalled and replaced by the OAR version? Quote:
Given that the distributor would have to pay extra to have a different ratio version of the same film rated by the BBFC (half the original cost, IIRC), then it doesn't make any sense to do it.
Also, the BBFC makes no mention of the aspect ratio for each film they classify, and some distributors use this as licence to provide different versions for different platforms. My DVD rental service has sent me a number of discs - featuring films released theatrically at 2.35:1 - marked 'Rental Copy', which are cropped to 16:9, while the retail version is 2.35:1. Lions Gate is particularly fond of this nasty little 'wheeze', though they're not alone. Affected titles I've rented so far: AFTER DUSK THEY COME [The Forgotten Ones] (Metrodome) AN AMERICAN HAUNTING (Lions Gate) CHAOS (Lions Gate) WAR (Lions Gate) I doubt very much the owners felt the need to get both versions classified by the BBFC (and there's no record of double-submissions for these titles at the BBFC database), since they probably felt the difference was 'minimal' enough to get away with it. In fact, I might just drop a line to the BBFC in an effort to clarify this particular point... |
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On reflection, AFTER DUSK THEY COME may have been cropped to 16:9 for its retail release, as well as the rental version, though I haven't seen the retail version to make a comparison. However, the Lions Gate titles mentioned in my previous post were specifically labelled 'Rental Copy', and I'd be interested to know for certain if the retail copies were OAR, since I can't find reviews of the the UK editions which categorically confirm one way or the other. They were certainly OAR in other territories.
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I'm not sure this is entirely true. The BBFC doesn't need to see a film again if the 'widescreen' version is achieved by simply cropping a 4:3 print to 1.85:1, though I'm not sure if this policy applies to Super 35 films first released on VHS at 1.33:1 before being rendered at 2.35:1 for DVD and/or Blu-ray.
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I doubt very much the owners felt the need to get both versions classified by the BBFC (and there's no record of double-submissions for these titles at the BBFC database), since they probably felt the difference was 'minimal' enough to get away with it. In fact, I might just drop a line to the BBFC in an effort to clarify this particular point...
I'd be interested to know if things have since changed.
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CBS Action showed another film in anamorphic 2.35:1, Wim Wenders' End of Violence, screenshot here with the CBS Action logo in correct ratio this time, seems a bit of trend as they also showed Silver Hawk in anamorphic 2.35:1 a couple of weeks ago, maybe connected to the rumoured CBS Action HD being on the way?
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I'm going back a fair few years (it was around the time when we just started seeing the odd widescreen version appearing on video for sell-thru after the rental/retail version available before was only 4:3), so things may have changed but it was definitely the case at the time that they classed it as a "different film" and charged half the amount of the full cost to classify it (presumably so they could check it was the same film and not a different version that a studio was trying to sneak past).
But the BBFC has since relaxed its policy for 1.85:1 movies, cropped to that ratio from 1.33:1, presumably because the difference is so slight, and it would otherwise clog up thjeir system which films which really shouldn't have to be reclassified. I'll drop them a line and see if this also applies to 2.35:1 movies. |
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Yes, that was under Ferman's reign. He was notorious for exerting control over absolutely everything, which wouldn't have been half so bad if he hadn't done it behind a veil of secrecy which just aggravated everyone. And he was able to get away with it for 25 years!!
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But the BBFC has since relaxed its policy for 1.85:1 movies, cropped to that ratio from 1.33:1, presumably because the difference is so slight, and it would otherwise clog up thjeir system which films which really shouldn't have to be reclassified. I'll drop them a line and see if this also applies to 2.35:1 movies.
That does make sense and surely they should just be able to check the number of frames and running time, and no doubt some other technical stuff that they'll get from the distributor, to ensure it's basically the same film, with the distributor doing this on the understanding that if they suddenly insert a scene of Bambi going crazy-ape bonkers with his drill and sets, that a Disney nasty just isn't acceptable for a U certificate
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CBS Action showed another film in anamorphic 2.35:1, Wim Wenders' End of Violence, screenshot here with the CBS Action logo in correct ratio this time, seems a bit of trend as they also showed Silver Hawk in anamorphic 2.35:1 a couple of weeks ago, maybe connected to the rumoured CBS Action HD being on the way?
Well, that's two out of three reasons to pay them more attention. But they will have to reduce that ridiculous DOG before I take them seriously. I did dip in recently and saw what they had done to their initial DOG, and dismissed them for future viewing. Which is a shame as they sometimes show perfectly good stuff. I hope they rethink. And I hope this wasn't too much of a thread hijack.
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