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Libretio
26-04-2011
Originally Posted by mattyb:
“TCM showed this uncut last night. This film was badly cut for the UK. Why they didn't opt for an 18 cert at the time is beyond me especially as the first two were 18 certs. Actually, LW2 was a 15 cert at cinemas then changed to 18 on video.”

It was felt that a 15 certificate would be more commercially viable than an 18, even though Ferman had made it very clear that films could not be 'restored' for a higher rating on video, and would therefore have to be cut for the duration of their lifetime in the marketplace (or, at least, until Ferman's departure from his little fiefdom). This kind of idiocy was one of the reasons I detested Ferman's tenure at the BBFC. His self-serving stupidity is not missed.

On an unrelated note, I watched all of UNITED last night, and despite claims to the contrary, it looked very much like it was originated on HD video, not 'film-like', as promised. Good movie, though.
DVDfever
26-04-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“It was felt that a 15 certificate would be more commercially viable than an 18, even though Ferman had made it very clear that films could not be 'restored' for a higher rating on video, and would therefore have to be cut for the duration of their lifetime in the marketplace (or, at least, until Ferman's departure from his little fiefdom). This kind of idiocy was one of the reasons I detested Ferman's tenure at the BBFC. His self-serving stupidity is not missed.

On an unrelated note, I watched all of UNITED last night, and despite claims to the contrary, it looked very much like it was originated on HD video, not 'film-like', as promised. Good movie, though.”

You may be able to answer a question for me. Sometimes on Freeview (SD) on my 37" Panny plasma set, I get slight windowboxing on some BBC broadcasts (I don't notice this on C4, and barely watch ITV or Five, but it's not on the latter), including during United. I don't get it when watching Sky, and there's no overscan on the TV set. Do you know why this would be, on Freeview, please?

(I've got a Freeview HD box, which I don't think does this, but for complex reasons it's elsewhere in the house at the moment.)
knackyknickknoc
26-04-2011
Originally Posted by mattyb:
“TCM showed this uncut last night. This film was badly cut for the UK. Why they didn't opt for an 18 cert at the time is beyond me especially as the first two were 18 certs. Actually, LW2 was a 15 cert at cinemas then changed to 18 on video.”

Lethal Weapon 2 and 4 are both now uncut and classifed by the BBFC .
They were resubmitted for the Bluray release last year
djonshore
26-04-2011
Last night Channel 5 showed the 1988 movie 'Buster', which was not in widescreen, why was this? I'm sure when the film was shown on BBC one a few months ago that it was in full-widescreen
DVDfever
26-04-2011
Originally Posted by djonshore:
“Last night Channel 5 showed the 1988 movie 'Buster', which was not in widescreen, why was this? I'm sure when the film was shown on BBC one a few months ago that it was in full-widescreen ”

Because Dickie Desmond bought a job lot of cheapo VHS tapes from Woolies before they closed. That much is clear (although the print quality isn't) from the films they show regularly.
Libretio
27-04-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“You may be able to answer a question for me. Sometimes on Freeview (SD) on my 37" Panny plasma set, I get slight windowboxing on some BBC broadcasts (I don't notice this on C4, and barely watch ITV or Five, but it's not on the latter), including during United. I don't get it when watching Sky, and there's no overscan on the TV set. Do you know why this would be, on Freeview, please?”

I'm guessing it's the lack of overscan which is the 'culprit' here, since it reveals what most other TV's (ie. those that DO suffer from some degree of overscan) tend to conceal. Some material, regardless of aspect ratio, is recreated for broadcast in such a way that the left-right edges of the image don't touch the sides of the frame. The technician doesn't MEAN to do this, but it happens on occasion (I didn't notice it at all on UNITED, for instance). It's usually VERY slightly off, when it happens at all (which is rarely), so it shouldn't be too much of a distraction. There may be other, more technical, reasons for this, but my knowledge of such arcane matters is limited, to say the least!!

Originally Posted by djonshore:
“Last night Channel 5 showed the 1988 movie 'Buster', which was not in widescreen, why was this? I'm sure when the film was shown on BBC one a few months ago that it was in full-widescreen ”

I coulda swore the Beeb's version was 4:3, too, but I could be wrong about that. BUSTER is one of those films which has been screened umpteen times at 4:3, no matter which channel happens to be showing it. Does anyone know if there's a 16:9 enhanced DVD?
pad_ehh
27-04-2011
A copy of Buster was given away with some newspaper (NOTW?) years ago, IIRC that copy was 4:3 too, then again those free cheap DVD's usually are. Surprised there isn't a 16:9 version knocking about these days.

On my sisters bedroom LCD on BBC ONE and BBC TWO via Freeview the picture fills the screen, but on ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 there are very slight pillar boxes at the left and right. Is this possibly due to a lower broadcast resolution on these channels compared to other channels?
Libretio
27-04-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“On my sisters bedroom LCD on BBC ONE and BBC TWO via Freeview the picture fills the screen, but on ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 there are very slight pillar boxes at the left and right. Is this possibly due to a lower broadcast resolution on these channels compared to other channels?”

I imagine the resolution is the same on all channels. Again, I think it's due to the lack of overscan which reveals a multitude of technical 'sins'.
DVDfever
27-04-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“I'm guessing it's the lack of overscan which is the 'culprit' here, since it reveals what most other TV's (ie. those that DO suffer from some degree of overscan) tend to conceal. Some material, regardless of aspect ratio, is recreated for broadcast in such a way that the left-right edges of the image don't touch the sides of the frame. The technician doesn't MEAN to do this, but it happens on occasion (I didn't notice it at all on UNITED, for instance). It's usually VERY slightly off, when it happens at all (which is rarely), so it shouldn't be too much of a distraction. There may be other, more technical, reasons for this, but my knowledge of such arcane matters is limited, to say the least!! ”

Thanks for your reply. Yep, I can often put it out of my mind, but it just looks odd when it happens. It's not like it's a regional opt-out which can switch to a more severe 14:9 cropping.
Libretio
29-04-2011
It turns out that (KANCHIVARAM) THE TREACHERY OF SILK - as the title appears on-screen - was not a scope movie, so it didn't belong in last week's listings. Channel 4 screened it at 1.78:1, which is as close to the original 1.85:1 as you're likely to get on TV. Apologies for that error.
Libretio
29-04-2011
2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (30 April - 6 May):

Will Film4 continue to screen SHOWGIRLS in that ghastly not-really-widescreen-at-ALL format (about 1.90:1, or so it seems), or have they sourced a genuine 2.35:1 version? Probably the former, more's the pity.

Also, anyone seeing THE POLAR EXPRESS for the first time on ITV 2 next week will not only be watching a cropped version, but they'll also be watching a minituarised version of the much-lauded IMAX 3-D presentation which - by all accounts - was a truly spectacular experience. Similarly, THE BOUNTY HUNTER (1.85:1) on Channel 4 is stripped of its 3-D enhancement, which is kinda like watching a CinemaScope movie with half the image missing. A shame, really, but what can you do?...



• 30 DAYS OF NIGHT (E4)
• 300 (5USA)

• THE ABYSS (Film4)
• ADRIFT [Open Water 2] (Film4)
• ALEXANDER (ITV 2)
• ALIEN (Film4)
• ANNA M. (BBC 2)
• ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13 (BC 1)
• AUSTIN POWERS: INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY (C4)

• THE BANK JOB (C4)
• BASIC INSTINCT (ITV 1)
• BEN-HUR (Channel 5) [2.76:1]
• BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA (Film4)
• BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID (More4)

• CASINO (ITV 4)
• CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND (5USA)
• COLLATERAL (More4)

• THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA (Film4)
• DIRTY HARRY (ITV 1)
• DOCTOR DOLITTLE (More4) [2.21:1]
• DRIVEN (5USA)

• ENEMY AT THE GATES (More4)
• EVAN ALMIGHTY (ITV 1)

• THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: TOKYO DRIFT (ITV 1)
• THE FOOTBALL FACTORY (C4)

• GLADIATOR (ITV 2)
• GODZILLA (Channel 5)
• THE GOONIES (5Star)

• HERO [Ying Xiong] (Film4)
• HOW TO STEAL A MILLION (More4)

• ICE STATION ZEBRA (Channel 5) {2.21:1]
• INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (BBC 3)
• INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE (BBC 3)
• INVINCIBLE (BBC 1)
• THE IRON GIANT (Film4)
• IRON MAN (Film4)

• KING OF KINGS (Channel 5) [2.21:1]
• KISS THE GIRLS (Film4)

• LAWRENCE OF ARABIA (Channel 5) [2.21:1]
• THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN (E4)

• MADE OF HONOR (5Star)
• MERCURY RISING (ITV 4)
• MILLION DOLLAR BABY (Film4)

• NATIONAL TREASURE (BBC 1)

• THE PACIFIER (BBC 3)
• THE POLAR EXPRESS (ITV 2)
• THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE (Film4)
• PRIDE & PREJUDICE (ITV 3)

• QUEEN OF THE DAMNED (ITV 4)

• RAT RACE (E4)
• ROMANCING THE STONE (Film4)
• ROOSTER COGBURN (Film4)

• SHOWGIRLS (Film4)
• THE SIMPSONS MOVIE (Film4)
• SIX DEGREES OF SEPARATION (C4)
• SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE (Film4)
• STAR TREK: NEMESIS (E4)
• STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK (Film4)

• TRAINING DAY (ITV 4)

• WAH-WAH (BC 1)

• ZULU (Film4) [2.21:1]
Libretio
01-05-2011
Sadly, Film 4 opted for the same crappy, cropped version of AUSTIN POWERS: INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY they've favoured since acquiring the film for broadcast, despite a 'corrected' version becoming available on DVD and Blu-ray.

And BBC 2 opted for a crappy, cropped version for their terrestrial premiere of ANNA M. What on earth is going on at the Beeb, and why are we still putting up with this 'widescreen lottery' (ie. you're lucky if the film you WANT to see at 2.35 will ever be screened that way on the BBC)?
pad_ehh
01-05-2011
"Close Encounters Of The Third Kind" currently on 5 USA in 1.85:1 instead of the OAR of 2.35:1

Libretio, perhaps your lists could be arranged by day instead of aplabetically, it would make it easier to know which films to check every day instead of having to find them by name?
Libretio
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“Libretio, perhaps your lists could be arranged by day instead of aplabetically, it would make it easier to know which films to check every day instead of having to find them by name? ”

Definitely worth considering. Anyone else want to second Paddy's suggestion, or should I leave things as they are? Over to you guys...
DVDfever
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Definitely worth considering. Anyone else want to second Paddy's suggestion, or should I leave things as they are? Over to you guys...”

I'll second Paddy's suggestion.
knackyknickknoc
01-05-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Sadly, Film 4 opted for the same crappy, cropped version of AUSTIN POWERS: INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY they've favoured since acquiring the film for broadcast, despite a 'corrected' version becoming available on DVD and Blu-ray.
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The first US dvd release of Austin Powers 1 was 16:9.
The first UK dvd release was 2.35:1.

The US Bluray is also 2.35:1.

Is the 16:9 version really cropped or does it actually show more image than the 2.35:1 version as it does with many other films .
be more pacific
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Thanks for that. Just sent them this:

"I'm sending this message to complain about the description on this page: http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/t...ype=prd_detail

You basically state that black bars in films are covering up the picture beneath them and that by altering them to 16:9, with your TVs, that is how the picture is MEANT to be seen?!

Let me get this straight... you've manufactured a TV that *creates* image on the fly? How did you manage that(?)

Get this changed or you'll be up before the Advertising Stands Authority for talking a complete load of misleading bunkum. Thankyou."”

Originally Posted by PhilH36:
“That's exactly the point I was trying to make. To DVDFever,I'm not out to criticise everything you post,much of what you post is perfectly valid and interesting,and as I said I fully agree that the advert is misleading. But if you want or expect Samsung to take any notice of your complaint then you need to address them in a proper and professional manner.”

Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“We've been here before with your strange and abusive correspondence about DOGs and animated pop-up Graham Nortons. Whatever valid points you might make are completely undermined by your unpleasant tone and rude jibes.

It's almost as if you're giving the recipient permission to bin your letter or delete your email.”

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“If/when I get a reply from them I will post it here.”

I take it Samsung never bothered to get back to you? Do you find that happens a lot with letters/emails you send to large companies and/or broadcasters?

Perhaps you could try being polite? You never know, it might just work.
DVDfever
02-05-2011
Wow, how long did it take you to put all that together just to have a dig at me?

I hope you feel proud. Have a gold star!
http://discourseincsharpminor.files..../gold_star.jpg
Libretio
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“I take it Samsung never bothered to get back to you? Do you find that happens a lot with letters/emails you send to large companies and/or broadcasters?

Perhaps you could try being polite? You never know, it might just work.”

What's worse? DVDfever being impolite (allegedly), or you posting random messages trying to get a rise out of him? You're the only one being 'rude' here. If you want to start a schoolyard fight, take it to another thread.
Libretio
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by knackyknickknoc:
“The first US dvd release of Austin Powers 1 was 16:9.
The first UK dvd release was 2.35:1.

The US Bluray is also 2.35:1.

Is the 16:9 version really cropped or does it actually show more image than the 2.35:1 version as it does with many other films .”

I may be wrong, but going by the opening credits on the Film 4 version, it looked cropped to me.
Libretio
02-05-2011
NATIONAL TREASURE framed at 2.35:1 on BBC 1 today.
DVDfever
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“What's worse? DVDfever being impolite (allegedly), or you posting random messages trying to get a rise out of him? You're the only one being 'rude' here. If you want to start a schoolyard fight, take it to another thread.”

He's not the only one. I've got a troll elsewhere who asked me the same question 3 times in 2 or 3 different threads (I've lost track), despite answering it the first time (him trying to take the piss out of me for apparently bringing up a topic of something that happened a year ago. When I didn't. Someone else did, and the discussion ensued.)

Some people clearly have nothing else better to do.
knackyknickknoc
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“I may be wrong, but going by the opening credits on the Film 4 version, it looked cropped to me.”

I don't know myself as I've never actually had both side by side to compare.
I still have that US 16:9 dvd aswell as the US Bluray so I might sit down and have a look.

I'm sure you're aware there are a lot of movies where the 2.35:1 version is simply a 4:3 or 16:9 ratio with top and bottom chopped off rather than extra width so I just wondered if you knew whether that was the case with Austin Powers.
knackyknickknoc
02-05-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“He's not the only one. I've got a troll elsewhere who asked me the same question 3 times in 2 or 3 different threads (I've lost track), despite answering it the first time (him trying to take the piss out of me for apparently bringing up a topic of something that happened a year ago. When I didn't. Someone else did, and the discussion ensued.)

Some people clearly have nothing else better to do.”

Perhaps if you didn't always come across with very poor attempts at being a smartarse ( in more than one thread) you wouldn't have so many people keen to bite back.
DVDfever
03-05-2011
Originally Posted by knackyknickknoc:
“Perhaps if you didn't always come across with very poor attempts at being a smartarse ( in more than one thread) you wouldn't have so many people keen to bite back.”

You assume, without any facts to hand, where the blame lies. You'd make a good politician
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