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jzee
01-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“THE GREAT SIOUX MASSACRE cropped to 16:9 on Channel 4 this afternoon.

Boo! Hiss! Resignations! Heads on sticks! etc.”

Seems to be rare, not available on DVD.
mllfap
01-06-2011
Originally Posted by horns:
“Since that's where they put the caption safe area. It's pretty commonplace for it to take this into account.”

The caption yes but the days of panning and scanning to cater for 4:3 are long gone

And even then some channels don't bother keeping the logo far enough in for 4:3 viewers to get it all
mllfap
01-06-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“ITV do this a lot for Bond films. I'm sure I've seen it for others, too.



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Yes I have too but the reason I mentioned it this time was because I've never seen it done to such an extreme
pad_ehh
02-06-2011
Kill Bill Vol. 1 cropped to 1.85:1 on BBC THREE, but when they ever show it on BBC HD it's in 2.35:1. Kill Bill Vol. 2 is on on Saturday night and it's also simulcast on BBC HD at the same time. I wonder if it'll be 1.85:1 on BBC THREE and 2.35:1 on BBC HD.
Libretio
02-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“Kill Bill Vol. 1 cropped to 1.85:1 on BBC THREE, but when they ever show it on BBC HD it's in 2.35:1. Kill Bill Vol. 2 is on on Saturday night and it's also simulcast on BBC HD at the same time. I wonder if it'll be 1.85:1 on BBC THREE and 2.35:1 on BBC HD.”

If you have access to the HD channel, keep us posted.

Also, MAD MAX 2 'premiered' at 2.35:1 on ITV 4 last night. Surprised no one else noticed...
RussellIan
02-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“THE GREAT SIOUX MASSACRE cropped to 16:9 on Channel 4 this afternoon.

Boo! Hiss! Resignations! Heads on sticks! etc.”

It looked like 4:3 'blown up' to 16:9 to me!
Libretio
03-06-2011
2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (4 - 10 June):


Saturday (4 June)

• ENIGMA (BBC 2)
• FIREWALL (BBC 1)
• THE GAUNTLET (ITV 1)
• THE HITCHER (ITV 4)
• HOT FUZZ (ITV 2)
• KILL BILL VOL. 2 (BBC 3)
• LADY VENGEANCE [see: Sympathy for Lady Vengeance]
• THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING (C4)
• NANNY McPHEE (ITV 2)
• OLDBOY (C4)
• PILLOW TALK (ITV 3)
• SYMPATHY FOR LADY VENGEANCE [Chinjeolhan Geumjassi] (Film 4)
• TORA! TORA! TORA! (More 4)
• X-MEN: THE LAST STAND (C4)


Sunday (5 June)

• 101 DALMATIANS (BBC 3)
• GODS AND MONSTERS (BBC 4)
• KELLY'S HEROES (Channel 5)
• MISSION TO MARS (Channel 5)
• MR. & MRS. SMITH (Film 4)
• PATHFINDER (Film 4)
• RAMBO (Channel 5)
• RIVER OF NO RETURN (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• SANDS OF THE KALAHARI (5 USA)
• THE SCORPION KING (ITV 2)
• SHANGHAI NOON (Channel 5)
• SOLDIER (ITV 4)
• UNLEASHED [Danny the Dog] (ITV 4)
• WHAT A GIRL WANTS (5 Star)
• ZOOLANDER (C4)


Monday (6 June)

• 27 DRESSES (C4)
• 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (Film 4)
• BEHIND ENEMY LINES (5 Star)
• CAN-CAN (Film 4) [2.21:1]
• FROM HELL (5 USA)
• THE HITCHER (ITV 4)
• TAKING LIVES (ITV 1)


Tuesday (7 June)

• CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE (5 USA)
• DISCLOSURE (ITV 2)
• FALLING DOWN (ITV 1)
• GROW YOUR OWN (BBC 4)
• THE LIBERTINE (Film 4)
• MAD MAX 2 (ITV 4)
• MR. HOBBS TAKES A VACATION (Film 4)
• RIVER OF NO RETURN (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME (Film 4)
• WALK THE LINE (Film 4)


Wednesday (8 June)

• BULLWHIP (C4)
• CRADLE 2 THE GRAVE (5 USA)
• HEAVEN KNOWS, MR. ALLISON (Film 4)
• HOT FUZZ (ITV 2)
• KILL BILL VOL. 2 (BBC 3)
• THE MEXICAN (BBC 1)
• THE SHAPE OF THINGS (C4)
• THE THING (ITV 4)
• VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (ITV 1)


Thursday (9 June)

• THE COMANCHEROS (Film 4)
• GUNS AT BATASI (Film 4)
• IP MAN [Ye Wen] (Film 4)
• OUTLAW (Channel 5)
• THE TALL STRANGER (C4)


Friday (10 June)

• THE FINAL CONFLICT (Film 4)
• GLADIATOR (ITV 2)
• JEREMIAH JOHNSON (ITV 1)
• LAND OF THE DEAD (ITV 4)
• THE MAN WHO SUED GOD (5 Star)
• MR. & MRS. SMITH (Film 4)
• PATHFINDER (Film 4)
• TORA! TORA! TORA! (More 4)
Libretio
04-06-2011
Seems I was wrong to add LOVE EXPOSURE to last week's listings, since the film was actually screened theatrically at 1.85:1.

It premiered on Film 4 last night at 16:9, so all's well.
DVDfever
04-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“Kill Bill Vol. 1 cropped to 1.85:1 on BBC THREE, but when they ever show it on BBC HD it's in 2.35:1. Kill Bill Vol. 2 is on on Saturday night and it's also simulcast on BBC HD at the same time. I wonder if it'll be 1.85:1 on BBC THREE and 2.35:1 on BBC HD.”

2.35:1 on both. How odd that one was in open-matte 16:9 and the other shown properly.

Then again, at New Year, the first Tomb Raider film was in 2.35:1, with the second cropped to 16:9. Clearly someone at the BBC has been on the wacky baccy...
Dar W
05-06-2011
Last night,the BBC 1 and 2 offerings (Firewall and Enigma) where both cropped but surprisingly ITV 1 film The Gauntlet was showing in it's original ratio.I seen it on Sky like this before but never thought it would turn up on an ITV channel like it seeing as for years they use to show the very cut "TV Version"of it
Libretio
05-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dar W:
“Last night,the BBC 1 and 2 offerings (Firewall and Enigma) where both cropped but surprisingly ITV 1 film The Gauntlet was showing in it's original ratio.I seen it on Sky like this before but never thought it would turn up on an ITV channel like it seeing as for years they use to show the very cut "TV Version"of it”

Yep, surprises all round last night, some of them welcome, some of them... not so.

Mind you, I couldn't care less about ENIGMA, an insult to the memory (and enduring legacy) of Alan Turing. To think, the people associated with this bigoted, commercialized crap aren't even remotely embarrassed by this travesty of history...

Sorry, I'm off my meds again. Nurse, the screens!...
Dar W
05-06-2011
3 films on the bounce on Channel 5 today in there original ratios.(Mission To Mars,Kellys Heroes and Shanghai Noon).
Wonder if Rambo 4 will make it a complete set for the day
Libretio
06-06-2011
Originally Posted by Dar W:
“Wonder if Rambo 4 will make it a complete set for the day”

Sadly not, which just goes to show how much of a lottery this OAR business is.

Meanwhile, 101 DALMATIANS 'premiered' at 2.35:1 on BBC 3, while SOLDIER got another outing at 2.35:1 over on ITV 4.

Exciting times for scope fans!
Libretio
07-06-2011
Been meaning to say:

With 16:9 now the de facto televsion standard, and HD on the rise, it's nice to see how some older films have been spruced up and 'restored' for their televisual debut in this new age of widescreen telly. I was reminded of it over the weekend whilst watching A STUDY IN TERROR for the umpteenth time on BBC 2 which, until now, has only ever been screened in a 4:3 version cropped at both sides, but which has now been restored to its full 1.85:1 splendour. The colours and detail are so vivid, the film might just have been shot last year, never mind in 1965!

The same thing happened with the 1969 epic THE HAUNTED HOUSE OF HORROR (one of my favourite films - how could any self-respecting horror fan resist a screamingly unsubtle title like that?!!). Once upon a time, this was only available in a 4:3 print which was so dark that you literally could not see what was happening on-screen for long periods of time. No exaggeration - the image was simply blotted out completely while the soundtrack burbled away underneath! In fact, it was SO bad, it was really unbroadcastable - no wonder the Beeb kept shoving it away into the wee small hours of the night.

But a year or so ago, the Beeb ran a new print, enhanced for 16:9, in which all the colour and vitality had been restored, and the veil of darkness lifted completely. The same version has now been screened three times - someone at the BBC obviously loves this one as much as I do, gawd bless 'em! A similar face-lift had occurred for the DVD version, released by Anchor Bay as part of their Tigon box-set, but that print was 4:3 letterboxed. Whatever the case, it's as though a layer of muck has been scrubbed from the image, rendering this fabulous potboiler 'whole' again.

Nice to see it isn't only the 'major' titles that are being rejigged for the brave new world of widescreen TV...
mllfap
07-06-2011
The US dvd label Midnite Movies has , over the last few years , taken many a classic horror / fantasy film and restored it to its original splendour including many of the Corman/Poe/Price movies and stacks of others including some from Hammer and Amicus.
I have the UK dvd of A Study In Terror which is quite tatty.
Hopefully the improved version will appear to.

The Asphyx was beautifully restored and released by Odeon as was Blood On Satans Claw and some memorable non horror titles from Tigon

Strange how films that were either cheap second features or very average cheap main features when they were made are now seen as collectible classics.

Tigon made some dirge but overall their catalogue is pretty outstanding for the cult collectability of many of their titles
rfonzo
08-06-2011
Is it possible to make film shown on TV into a widescreen format and if so which setting is it?
gamersxchange
08-06-2011
[quote=[B]Libretio;50532127]2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (4 - 10 June):


Saturday (4 June)

• FIREWALL (BBC 1)
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Firewall was shot 16x9 - i own it on r2 dvd!.

You might as well take everything IMDB says as serious as a Wikipedia entry.

Now if you can prove that there is a 2:35 dvd/blu ray/ hd dvd then fine but your list is mostly just upcoming films which is essentially a spolier!.
mwardy
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by gamersxchange:
“Firewall was shot 16x9 - i own it on r2 dvd!.

You might as well take everything IMDB says as serious as a Wikipedia entry.

Now if you can prove that there is a 2:35 dvd/blu ray/ hd dvd then fine but your list is mostly just upcoming films which is essentially a spolier!.”

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...nandscathed-20

Technically minded/US reviews list it as 2.35/2.40. I've seen the 16:9 DVD on sale as well--looks like region 2 buyers got short changed (again).
Libretio
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by mllfap:
“Strange how films that were either cheap second features or very average cheap main features when they were made are now seen as collectible classics.

Tigon made some dirge but overall their catalogue is pretty outstanding for the cult collectability of many of their titles”

Back in the day, those films were considered the glue which held the UK industry together! On the one hand, you had the Art-house films; on the other, you had the mainstream commercial films, mostly from Hollywood. And somewhere in the middle you had the low-budget genre films (horror, comedy, kung fu, softcore, etc.) which played in double bills in every town and city in the country. Cheap and tatty they may have been, but they constituted the life-blood of the movie exhibition biz (the same was true in the US). I still can't get over the fact that ON THE BUSES and CONFESSIONS OF A WINDOW CLEANER were the top-grossing films at the UK box-office in their respective years of release!! I mean, ON THE BUSES, for heaven's sake!!...

Sadly, that era began to fall into decline when US studios pulled their financing out of the UK industry in the late 1960's, allowing a brief flourish of home grown exploitation throughout the 1970's. But without proper financing, cinemas began to fall into disrepair and hundreds of them either closed or were transformed into bingo halls, allowing US multiplexes to come in and take over the business. I have nothing against American films, but with the rise of the multiplex, that is virtually the ONLY kind of movie we get to see on a Big Screen these days. The small-scale genre films (many of them produced in countries outside the US and UK) which once provided 'the glue that held the industry together' have now gone over to home video, and that's a real tragedy for viewers and filmmakers alike.

No wonder those old, tatty films are now considered eminently collectible.
Libretio
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by gamersxchange:
“Firewall was shot 16x9 - i own it on r2 dvd!... Now if you can prove that there is a 2:35 dvd/blu ray/ hd dvd then fine”

Et voila! Proof positive you've been mightily short-changed when buying your compromised region 2 DVD:

FIREWALL on DVD framed at 2.35:1

FIREWALL was shot in Super 35 and exhibited theatrically at 2.39:1. Why the UK DVD was reframed is a mystery, since major distribs are usually pretty good with these things. There's a UK Blu-ray version on sale, but I haven't been able to confirm what ratio was used for that particular transfer. Anyone out there have a copy?

Originally Posted by gamersxchange:
“You might as well take everything IMDB says as serious as a Wikipedia entry.”

If you think I'm taking my information from IMDb, then I'm afraid you're VERY much mistaken! Yes, the aspect ratio for many entries is listed correctly at IMDb, but many others are not. If I ever found ANY info at IMDb, I'd always, ALWAYS double-check at another site.

Originally Posted by gamersxchange:
“...but your list is mostly just upcoming films which is essentially a spolier!.”

Nope, you've lost me here. How can a list of films constitute a 'spoiler'?...
DVDfever
08-06-2011
[quote=gamersxchange;50637163]
Originally Posted by [B:
“Libretio;50532127]2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (4 - 10 June):


Saturday (4 June)

• FIREWALL (BBC 1)
[/b]

Firewall was shot 16x9 - i own it on r2 dvd!.

You might as well take everything IMDB says as serious as a Wikipedia entry.

Now if you can prove that there is a 2:35 dvd/blu ray/ hd dvd then fine but your list is mostly just upcoming films which is essentially a spolier!.”

"Spoiler"? Huh?
mllfap
08-06-2011
In a reversal of fortune the Virgin On Demand Picture Box service is supplying Basic Instinct in 16:9

I know the PB service is only a fiver a month but if they are going to show these films at a price they should be correct regardless of the cost.
The film is uncut though
DVDfever
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by mllfap:
“In a reversal of fortune the Virgin On Demand Picture Box service is supplying Basic Instinct in 16:9

I know the PB service is only a fiver a month but if they are going to show these films at a price they should be correct regardless of the cost.
The film is uncut though”

It's not cut in the UK anyway.
mllfap
08-06-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“It's not cut in the UK anyway.”

It's not 16:9 either !!

It was cut when it was first shown on tv here which is why I mentioned it being uncut in case anyone thinks its 16:9 because its a tv version

What makes it worse is thats its 16:9 even on the HD version
DVDfever
09-06-2011
Just had a reply from the BBC about showing 16:9 versions of Absolute Power and Deja Vu on BBC1 Scotland, which were both broadcast later than the other BBC1s. I don't know why they can't send a copy of the HD print over to BBC1 Scotland, though.

"Thank you for your e-mail. Your comments were passed to the Scheduling Manager, who has asked that I forward his response as follows:

"In both instances, Network BBC One transmitted copies of HD masters of both films - both HD versions had the picture format of 2.35:1 .
Thus, these versions were transmitted on both BBC One HD and BBC One SD, and subsequently any other nation transmitting the same output as network.

The versions transmitted on BBC1 Scotland originated from the SD versions of both films - these versions were in 16:9".

Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us."
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