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pad_ehh
09-06-2011
In order to avoid any future cock-ups like that for the nations, I now only watch BBC ONE HD no matter what the programme is. Any local programming I want to watch, (and that isn't very often, believe me), will be watched on BBC ONE on Freeview.
mwardy
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Just had a reply from the BBC about showing 16:9 versions of Absolute Power and Deja Vu on BBC1 Scotland, which were both broadcast later than the other BBC1s. I don't know why they can't send a copy of the HD print over to BBC1 Scotland, though.

"Thank you for your e-mail. Your comments were passed to the Scheduling Manager, who has asked that I forward his response as follows:

"In both instances, Network BBC One transmitted copies of HD masters of both films - both HD versions had the picture format of 2.35:1 .
Thus, these versions were transmitted on both BBC One HD and BBC One SD, and subsequently any other nation transmitting the same output as network.

The versions transmitted on BBC1 Scotland originated from the SD versions of both films - these versions were in 16:9".

Thank you, once again, for taking the time to contact us."”

Not much sign of an apology there--more a case of 'so get used to it!'.
DVDfever
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“In order to avoid any future cock-ups like that for the nations, I now only watch BBC ONE HD no matter what the programme is. Any local programming I want to watch, (and that isn't very often, believe me), will be watched on BBC ONE on Freeview.”

I only watch BBC1HD if something's in HD. No point in watching something with a logo if it's not in HD, and even then when it IS in HD, I can see that. I don't need a logo telling me anything.

Originally Posted by mwardy:
“Not much sign of an apology there--more a case of 'so get used to it!'. ”

Yep, it's something that's easily fixed, but they can't be bothered.
RobAnt
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Bspks:
“Philips now make a 21:9 TV so that films can be shown full screen in their correct ratio.
If a few other manufacturers joined in it should get more common and everyone would be happy.
Full screen and correct ratio, 16:9 can be stretched or shown with black bars, 4:3 can only be stretched as far as 16:9 though, it would look ridiculous stretched to 21:9.
It's a bit chicken and egg situation but it's what happened when 16:9 screens were first introduced.”

Actually, that too, is a cludge. The resulting image is a zoomed 16:9 transmission, so the picture quality is going to be poor quality in relation to a 16:9 transmission of the same film.

Plus 21:9 isn't the only film aspect ratio. There are many more. There is, in fact, no de-facto film aspect ratio, whereas 16:9 is a standard for all high definition "straight to TV" broadcast.

**Edit: I've just noticed that this thread goes back to July 2010 - so sorry if this has already been discussed. Just ignore my ramblings.
Libretio
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by RobAnt:
“Actually, that too, is a cludge. The resulting image is a zoomed 16:9 transmission, so the picture quality is going to be poor quality in relation to a 16:9 transmission of the same film.”

To be fair, it would benefit Blu-ray movies framed at 2.35:1, since there's more information in the image. It's still a compromise, and 21:9 TV's really need material 'anamorphosized' for that ratio, but until that happens (probably around the introduction of Ultra HD in, say, 10 years time), it will always be second-best to current 16:9 sets.

Originally Posted by RobAnt:
“Plus 21:9 isn't the only film aspect ratio. There are many more. There is, in fact, no de-facto film aspect ratio, whereas 16:9 is a standard for all high definition "straight to TV" broadcast.”

True enough, but at least 21:9 retains a 'common height' for most images, rather than shrinking the image whenever it goes wider than 1.85:1. That way, you get the full effect of what CinemaScope was meant to do in the first place - provide a bigger, wider image. Of course, you'd need a pretty big 21:9 TV to get a decent-sized 4:3 image (for 1.33:1 and 1.37:1 movies), and some people have complained that the side bars would be 'too big' for Academy ratio films (gawd give me strength!), but 21:9 is the Next Big Thing, believe me.

Besides, most films can be contained within the 21:9 frame without shrinkage. A tiny handful of movies (such as those shot in Ultra Panavision 70 at 2.76:1 ratio, or the final scene in Abel Gance's NAPOLΙON, a widescreen triptych framed at 4.00:1) would have to be letterboxed, but the central image would be so big, no one would notice.
DVDfever
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Besides, most films can be contained within the 21:9 frame without shrinkage. A tiny handful of movies (such as those shot in Ultra Panavision 70 at 2.76:1 ratio, or the final scene in Abel Gance's NAPOLΙON, a widescreen triptych framed at 4.00:1) would have to be letterboxed, but the central image would be so big, no one would notice.”

Damn, I'd like to see that

BTW, although I haven't seen the film, I remember the last broadcast of Outlaw (C5, 10pm) was in 2.35:1, so I expect tonight's will be too.
RobAnt
09-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“To be fair, it would benefit Blu-ray movies framed at 2.35:1, since there's more information in the image. It's still a compromise, and 21:9 TV's really need material 'anamorphosized' for that ratio, but until that happens (probably around the introduction of Ultra HD in, say, 10 years time), it will always be second-best to current 16:9 sets.



True enough, but at least 21:9 retains a 'common height' for most images, rather than shrinking the image whenever it goes wider than 1.85:1. That way, you get the full effect of what CinemaScope was meant to do in the first place - provide a bigger, wider image. Of course, you'd need a pretty big 21:9 TV to get a decent-sized 4:3 image (for 1.33:1 and 1.37:1 movies), and some people have complained that the side bars would be 'too big' for Academy ratio films (gawd give me strength!), but 21:9 is the Next Big Thing, believe me.

Besides, most films can be contained within the 21:9 frame without shrinkage. A tiny handful of movies (such as those shot in Ultra Panavision 70 at 2.76:1 ratio, or the final scene in Abel Gance's NAPOLΙON, a widescreen triptych framed at 4.00:1) would have to be letterboxed, but the central image would be so big, no one would notice.”

Yes, I've no doubt your correct, but if you look back to the beginning of the thread you'll see it was about using a very widescreen on broadcast media (TV channels in other words), not BD disks.
Libretio
10-06-2011
Originally Posted by RobAnt:
“Yes, I've no doubt your correct, but if you look back to the beginning of the thread you'll see it was about using a very widescreen on broadcast media (TV channels in other words), not BD disks.”

Fair comment. But it's not too much of a digression when covering items which are related to the subject at hand. For instance, my recent posting about the restoration of older titles for broadcast in this 'brave new world' of widescreen/HD TV, where original ratios are now being retained across the broadcasting spectrum, whether Academy ratio (1.33/37:1) or 2.76:1 and all points in-between.

So, while the thread is specifically about broadcast media, it's OK to broaden the discussion on occasion, so long as it's tangentially related to the subject at hand.
Libretio
10-06-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Damn, I'd like to see that .”

Oh, there's better (or worse, depending on your point of view!):

Duncan Roy's AKA (2002) was filmed using three HD cameras for every scene, and the three 1.78:1 images were subsequently printed side by side on 35mm film for theatrical release, providing three views of the same scene during the entire film! This 4.00:1 letterboxed ratio was included on the DVD release (16:9 enhanced), but the resulting images were so small, the distribs had to squeeze them in order to make the film even remotely viewable. Unfortunately, the results were horrendous, and I'm of a mind to think Roy had no business employing such a format which could not be replicated in a manner that would stand the test of time (since most movies are now viewed on TV, whether broadcast or home video). Even a 21:9 screen would struggle to contain such an ultra-wide format.

That said, a single-image version (framed at 1.85:1) was released under the title AKA: LIES ARE LIKE WISHES, and this was also included on the DVD. But the primary version was the Triptych print, and it simply couldn't be replicated on home video to an effective degree.

This and the aforementioned NAPOLΙON are rarities, though, and represent the very widest images made available for commercial cinemagoers. Other ultra-wide formats have been used for special venues (theme parks, EXPO's, etc.), but they tend to be impractical for commercial theatrical presentation, as Duncan Roy probably found to his cost. It didn't help that AKA wasn't very good at ANY ratio...
Libretio
10-06-2011
2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (11 - 17 June):


Saturday (11 June)

• 101 DALMATIANS (BBC 3)
• 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (Film 4)
• ANOTHER STAKEOUT (Film 4)
• BATMAN BEGINS (ITV 1)
• BEDAZZLED (E4)
• BEHIND ENEMY LINES (5 Star)
• BLUE THUNDER (5 USA)
• THE FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (BBC 2) [2.76:1]
• GHOSTS OF MARS (Film 4)
• LASSIE (Film 4)
• OCTOPUSSY (ITV 1)
• ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST [C'era una Volta il West] (Film 4)
• THE RIVER WILD (ITV 2)
• SAHARA (C4)
• SANDS OF THE KALAHARI (5 USA)
• SOLDIER (ITV 4)
• THE VIOLENT MEN (Channel 5) [2.55:1]


Sunday (12 June)

• BASIC INSTINCT (ITV 2)
• BLUE THUNDER (5 USA)
• CATCH A FIRE (BBC 2)
• DEEP BLUE SEA (ITV 2)
• DEFINITELY, MAYBE (C4)
• DOUBLE JEOPARDY (Film 4)
• GUNS AT BATASI (Film 4)
• LAND OF THE DEAD (ITV 4)
• THE LIBERTINE (Film 4)
• THE MASK OF ZORRO (Channel 5)
• MONSTER-IN-LAW (C4)
• RESERVOIR DOGS (Channel 5)
• THE SCORPION KING (ITV 2)
• STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME (Film 4)
• VANITY FAIR (ITV 1)


Monday (13 June)

• CLEANER (Channel 5)
• THE KENTUCKIAN (C4) [2.55:1]
• A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM (C4)
• MR. HOBBS TAKES A VACATION (Film 4)
• PALE RIDER (ITV 4)
• PREMONITION (C4)
• THE RIVER WILD (ITV 2)
• WALK THE LINE (Film 4)
• THE WICKER MAN (5 Star)


Tuesday (14 June)

• BULLETPROOF MONK (Film 4)
• THE GAME (ITV 1)
• THE GETAWAY (BBC 1)
• GLADIATOR (ITV 2)
• HEAVEN KNOWS, MR. ALLISON (Film 4)
• HELL AND HIGH WATER (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• KISS OF THE DRAGON (5 USA)
• MONTE CARLO OR BUST! [see: Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies]
• THE RIDDLE OF THE SANDS (C4)
• THOSE DARING YOUNG MEN IN THEIR JAUNTY JALOPIES [Monte Carlo or Bust!] (Film 4)
• THE WARLORDS [Tou Ming Zhuang] (Film 4)


Wednesday (15 June)

• ANASTASIA (Film 4)
• AVP: ALIEN VS. PREDATOR (E4)
• BIGGER THAN LIFE (Film 4)
• CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN 2 (Film 4)
• HEAVEN & EARTH (Film 4)
• THE HINDENBURG (ITV 1)
• HOT ROD (Film 4)
• KISS OF THE DRAGON (5 USA)
• NORTHFORK (Film 4)
• S1MΨNE (C4)
• V FOR VENDETTA (BBC 3)


Thursday (16 June)

• ANOTHER STAKEOUT (Film 4)
• THE BRAVE ONE (Film 4)
• CHANGELING (ITV 2)
• THE CORRUPTOR (Channel 5)
• THE FINAL CONFLICT (Film 4)
• GUNMAN'S WALK (More 4)
• PALE RIDER (ITV 4)
• THE SEA INSIDE [Mar Adentro] (Film 4)


Friday (17 June)

• BASIC INSTINCT (ITV 2)
• D-DAY THE SIXTH OF JUNE (C4)
• DOUBLE JEOPARDY (Film 4)
• GREASE (Film 4)
• IGBY GOES DOWN (ITV 1)
• LASSIE (Film 4)
• THE LAST CASTLE (BBC 1)
• MAVERICK (ITV 1)
• SE7EN (5 USA)
DVDfever
10-06-2011
Ta for all the info about AKA. I'll definitely have to take a look, if just out of curiosity
Libretio
12-06-2011
MEMOIRS OF AN INVISIBLE MAN 'premiered' at 2.35:1 on E4 this afternoon, first time on the C4 platform. And, of course, I missed it off the listings for this week...

...along with A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN, which was screened (again) on the Viva channel yesterday, 4:3 letterboxed at 2.35:1.

I just couldn't go a week without making SOME kind of balls-up with the listings, could I?...
vacumtoobs
13-06-2011
Thanks for list,see you included Reservoir Dogs in your list,on 5.

Yuk,if that was wide screen,Im a Martian ! Funnily enough,I recalled I have it on VHS (pse dont laugh)in wide screen..........will dig it out soon and watchit........gave up on 5 after just a few mins.......in fact I,let the dog out
pad_ehh
13-06-2011
Last time Channel 5 broadcast Reservoir Dogs (and that wasn't all that long ago) it was in 4:3. Was it even in widescreen last night?
Libretio
13-06-2011
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“Last time Channel 5 broadcast Reservoir Dogs (and that wasn't all that long ago) it was in 4:3. Was it even in widescreen last night?”

Nope, 'twasn't, sadly - 4:3 all the way...
vacumtoobs
13-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Nope, 'twasn't, sadly - 4:3 all the way...”

I recall yonks back 5 found a copy of Forbidden Planet..........and for the first time ever,.....for me...............they had a STEREO copy(I have it in WS but only Mono).................the cretins had a 4.3 version....DOH !
DVDfever
13-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Nope, 'twasn't, sadly - 4:3 all the way...”

Well, in the majority of Reservoir Dogs scenes, it's open-matte as it was shot in Super 35, so it's a better 4:3 version than most films would lend themselves to, but there were times in the 25 mins I saw where it was horribly cropped (such as when Eddie arrives back in the lockup and shoots the cop).

20 years on and to still be showing films in 4:3 is unforgiveable.
Ambrose
14-06-2011
SANDS OF THE KALAHARI (5 USA) was in 4:3 and had been severely cut, about 20 minutes worth by my reckoning.
Libretio
14-06-2011
Originally Posted by Ambrose:
“SANDS OF THE KALAHARI (5 USA) was in 4:3 and had been severely cut, about 20 minutes worth by my reckoning.”

I didn't check this one out, since it was screened a week or so ago in exactly the same parlous state. Why they even bothered to broadcast it - except as filler - is beyond me.
Libretio
16-06-2011
HEAVEN & EARTH cropped to 16:9 on Film 4 last night, and the quality of the print was absolutely awful. It looked smeared and pastel-coloured, like an off-key VHS print, only worse...
Libretio
17-06-2011
2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform next week (18 - 24 June):

Once again, Film 4 will be screening THE BOUNTY HUNTER (1.85:1) next Thursday without the benefit of its 3-D cinematography. Not much the channel can do about that, I suppose, but I thought I'd better mention it anyway, just in case.

Back to the widescreen (2-D) movies:


Saturday (18 June)

• ANASTASIA (Film 4)
• BRAVEHEART (C4)
• DANTE'S PEAK (ITV 2)
• DEEP BLUE SEA (ITV 2)
• DIRTY HARRY (ITV 4)
• ENEMY OF THE STATE (BBC 1)
• EVENING (BBC 2)
• FUNNY LADY (5 USA)
• THE GREEN BERETS (5 USA)
• THE JOURNEY OF NATTY GANN (BBC 2)
• KUNG FU PANDA (BBC 1)
• MAGNUM FORCE (ITV 4)
• THE MISSING (Channel 5)
• NONE BUT THE BRAVE (Channel 5)
• NOTTING HILL (ITV 1)
• PT 109 (BBC 2)
• TAKEN (Film 4)
• V FOR VENDETTA (BBC 3)
• A VIEW TO A KILL (ITV 1)
• THE WICKER MAN (5 Star)


Sunday (19 June)

• THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST (ITV 3)
• AIR AMERICA (ITV 3)
• AVP: ALIEN VS. PREDATOR (E4)
• CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN 2 (Film 4)
• THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (C4)
• DISGRACE (BBC 2)
• DISTRICT 13 [Banlieue 13] (Film 4)
• THE ENFORCER (ITV 4)
• FINAL DESTINATION 3 (Film 4)
• HELL AND HIGH WATER (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• HITMAN (C4)
• THE INTERPRETER (ITV 2)
• KING KONG (ITV 2)
• MAGNUM FORCE (ITV 4)
• SECRET WINDOW (Channel 5)


Monday (20 June)

• BROKEN LANCE (Film 4) [2.55:1]
• CHANGELING (ITV 2)
• THE ENFORCER (ITV 4)
• LAKEVIEW TERRACE (Channel 5)
• LETHAL WEAPON 3 (ITV 1)
• PRACTICAL MAGIC (5 Star)
• SHOOTER (Film 4)


Tuesday (21 June)

• BIGGER THAN LIFE (Film 4)
• GREASE (Film 4)
• THE HOLE (Film 4)
• INSIDE I'M DANCING (ITV 1)
• MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III (Film 4)
• ROOSTER COGBURN (Film 4)
• SE7EN (5 USA)
• UNBREAKABLE (ITV 2)


Wednesday (22 June)

• THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST (ITV 3)
• AN AMERICAN HAUNTING (5 Star)
• THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (Film 4)
• EXTREME MEASURES (BBC 1)
• THE INTERPRETER (ITV 2)
• JARHEAD (ITV 4)
• THE LADY VANISHES (More 4)
• MONTE CARLO OR BUST! [see: Those Daring Young Men in Their Jaunty Jalopies]
• MY FIRST MISTER (C4)
• THOSE DARING YOUNG MEN IN THEIR JAUNTY JALOPIES [Monte Carlo or Bust!] (Film 4)
• A TOWN CALLED PANIC [Panique au Village] (Film 4)
• TRANSPORTER 2 [Le Transporteur 2] (Film 4)
• UNBREAKABLE (ITV 2)


Thursday (23 June)

• KINSEY (Film 4)
• TIMECOP (Channel 5)


Friday (24 June)

• CONSTANTINE (ITV 2)
• DIRTY HARRY (ITV 4)
• DOCTOR DOLITTLE (Film 4) [2.21:1]
• THE INNOCENTS (Film 4)
• JACKIE CHAN'S FIRST STRIKE [First Strike] [Jing Cha Gu Shi 4 Zhi Jian Chen Ren Wu] (ITV 4)
• JARHEAD (ITV 4)
• MASTER AND COMMANDER: THE FAR SIDE OF THE WORLD (Film 4)
• MYSTIC RIVER (ITV 3)
• NO RESERVATIONS (ITV 3)
• NORTH TO ALASKA (Film 4)
• THE PATRIOT (5 USA)
• TAKEN (Film 4)
DVDfever
18-06-2011
Kung Fu Panda in 2.35:1, but PT109 in 16:9 after the opening credits were in 2.35:1 (I wasn't paying attention so don't know how long they ran for).

As for ITV's Bond film, have a guess. Oh the irony as it ended (the ending's always worth a look) and there was a caption about the digital restoration... shouldn't have bothered, really.
Libretio
18-06-2011
KUNG FU PANDA screening at 2.35:1 on BBC 1.
DVDfever
18-06-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“KUNG FU PANDA screening at 2.35:1 on BBC 1.”

Beat ya

Enemy of the State on BBC1 for the first time in 2.35:1 (not sure about HD as I didn't have that last time it was on*)

(*well, I only have Freeview HD so it's not exactly what I'd call HD )
Libretio
19-06-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Beat ya ”

You certainly did! I coulda sworn your message wasn't there when I posted mine, otherwise it would've been daft to post the same thing twice. The gremlins must've gotten to my computer, I think...
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