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Turns out that the film BETWEEN (shown on BBC 2 on Saturday night) was filmed at 2.35:1, but the Beeb's print was cropped/reframed. There was some obvious pan-scanning going on, and a check of various DVD versions confirmed the sorry truth about the original ratio.
By the way, here's an odd thing: Just saw the horror film JOSHUA which premiered on Film 4 last week, framed at 1.78:1. The closing credits (white text against a black background) were seemingly letterboxed at 2.35:1, with obvious mattes at the top and bottom of the screen. However, research confirms the film was shot and exhibited at 1.85:1, so I'm not sure why the credits should have been arranged this way. |
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#1127 |
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How dare they, and give it to us for free as well
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I'm told the UK DVD version of IRONCLAD has been cropped/reframed from 2.35:1 to 1.78:1. Nice one, Warner Bros.
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2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (27 August - 2 September):
Saturday (27 August) • BARBARELLA (ITV 4) • BLACK KNIGHT (Film 4) • BRIDGET JONES: THE EDGE OF REASON (ITV 2) • THE BOURNE SUPREMACY (ITV 1) • ENSIGN PULVER (BBC 2) • FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX (More 4) • FOOL'S GOLD (Film 4) • GENGHIS KHAN (5 USA) • THE LADY VANISHES (Film 4) • LAST OF THE DOGMEN (5 USA) • MIRRORS (Film 4) • THE SHEEPMAN (C5) • STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER (E4) • STEALTH (5 USA) • TAKEN (Film 4) • THUNDERBALL (ITV 1) • X-MEN: THE LAST STAND (Film 4) Sunday (28 August) • BEVERLY HILLS COP II (C4) • THE BOUNTY HUNTER (C5) [1.85:1] [3-D] • CHARLIE'S ANGELS: FULL THROTTLE (C5) • THE DaVINCI CODE (C5) • DEFINITELY, MAYBE (Film 4) • DRAGONBALL: EVOLUTION (Film 4) • GENGHIS KHAN (5 USA) • GREASE (Film 4) • HOT FUZZ (ITV 2) • LETHAL WEAPON 4 (ITV 4) • PAGE EIGHT (BBC 2) • PRIMAL (Film 4) • RUNAWAY BRIDE (C4) • RUSH HOUR 3 (C4) • TEXAS RANGERS (BBC 1) Monday (29 August) • CATWOMAN (ITV 2) • THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE (ITV 2) • DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER (ITV 1) • ENTER THE DRAGON (ITV 4) • FINAL DESTINATION 3 (Film 4) • THE INCREDIBLES (BBC 1) • INDEPENDENCE DAY (Film 4) • LIFE OR SOMETHING LIKE IT (BBC 1) • MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY (C5) [2.76:1] • THE SEEKER: THE DARK IS RISING (Film 4) • STAY ALIVE (ITV 1) • STREETDANCE (BBC 1) [1.85:1] [3-D] • STUCK ON YOU (5*) • VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (ITV 4) Tuesday (30 August) • BARBARELLA (ITV 4) • DREAMCATCHER (ITV 1) • A TOWN CALLED PANIC [Panique au Village] (Film 4) • THE TRANSPORTER [Le Transporteur] (5 USA) • UNLEASHED [Danny the Dog] (ITV 4) • WARLOCK (Film 4) Wednesday (31 August) • ALL ABOUT MY MOTHER [Todo Sobre Mi Madre] (Film 4) • BRINGING DOWN THE HOUSE (BBC 1) • BROKEN LANCE (More 4) [2.55:1] • DANTE'S PEAK (ITV 1) • THE ENGLISHMAN WHO WENT UP A HILL BUT CAME DOWN A MOUNTAIN (Film 4) • FAILURE TO LAUNCH (Film 4) • LAND OF THE DEAD (ITV 4) • PREMONITION (Film 4) • THE SHERIFF OF FRACTURED JAW (Film 4) Thursday (1 September) • ESCAPE TO ATHENA (Film 4) • THE GENERAL'S DAUGHTER (Film 4) • THE HOUSE BY THE CEMETERY [Quella Villa Accanto al Cimitero] (Film 4) • INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (Film 4) [2.00:1] • THE LAW AND JAKE WADE (Film 4) • MAD MAX 2 (ITV 4) • X-MEN: THE LAST STAND (Film 4) Friday (2 September) • BRIDGET JONES: THE EDGE OF REASON (ITV 2) • DEFINITELY, MAYBE (Film 4) • ENTER THE DRAGON (ITV 4) • THE FINAL CUT (Film 4) • FRIGHT NIGHT (5*) • GREASE (Film 4) • HOT FUZZ (ITV 2) • INDEPENDENCE DAY (Film 4) • JAWS III [Jaws 3-D] (ITV 1) • KISS THE GIRLS (More 4) • LETHAL WEAPON 4 (ITV 4) • MIRRORS (Film 4) • MONTE WALSH (5 USA) • THE TRANSPORTER [Le Transporteur] (5 USA) |
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Just for the record, THE DUCHESS screened on BBC 2 on Thursday night at the original 2.35:1 ratio. I haven't seen it yet, but the trailer made it seem like this was a terrific use of the anamorphic widescreen format (none of that Super 35 rubbish here, mateys!).
Unfortunately, the same channel made a pig's ear of BAD EDUCATION, a terrific, twisty (and very gay!) thriller from Pedro Almodóvar. Parts of the film are framed at something like 1.85:1 (perhaps 2.00:1, it's hard to gauge from the DVD version), while the majority is 2.35:1. In their wisdom, the Beeb opted to broadcast the narrower footage at something like 2.00:1, while the full scope scenes were - you guessed it!- cropped to 1.781!! Why can you never find a 'tearing-your-hair-out-whilst-vomiting' emoticon when you need one?... |
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More stuff for the record: GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' was broadcast on 4 Music the other night, framed at the original 2.35:1, while BLADE has now migrated to Viva where it was shown last night at the original 2.35:1, though only letterboxed within a 4:3 frame, not 16:9 enhanced.
By the way, am I the only one still reading this thread? It's starting to get lonely around here... |
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By the way, am I the only one still reading this thread? It's starting to get lonely around here...
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More stuff for the record: GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN' was broadcast on 4 Music the other night, framed at the original 2.35:1, while BLADE has now migrated to Viva where it was shown last night at the original 2.35:1, though only letterboxed within a 4:3 frame, not 16:9 enhanced.
By the way, am I the only one still reading this thread? It's starting to get lonely around here... ![]() ![]()
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Page Eight is in 2.35:1, which isn't a surprise given all the publicity for it, but it looks to be shot in Panavision which is nice, and showed up well when Bill Nighy and Rachel Weisz were having a drink early on.
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Keep it up Libretio. Love checking out what's coming up in OAR TV land. Do you need us to keep coming on and holding your hand, telling you how much you are wanted?
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Nah, it's just that I'd been the only one posting for a few days, and the tumbleweeds had started getting in the way! Sometimes, even when others don't post, you forget you aren't posting in a vacuum, and that somebody is still reading this stuff, even if they don't post. Call me insecure, if you like ("You're insecure!", I hear you all cry). Quote:
Page Eight is in 2.35:1, which isn't a surprise given all the publicity for it, but it looks to be shot in Panavision which is nice, and showed up well when Bill Nighy and Rachel Weisz were having a drink early on.
Am I not a font of invaluable info? (I often hear people calling me a 'font' - unless, of course, I've misheard them...). PRIMAL premiered on Film 4 cropped to 1.78:1, but this isn't entirely unexpected. The US DVD is properly framed at 2.35:1, but the UK Blu-ray is cropped to 1.78:1 (I'm assuming the UK DVD is the same, though I haven't been able to confirm that). If Film 4 got their materials from a UK source, then the cropping/reframing is sad, but inevitable. |
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Well, we all need to feel wuvved sometime, right?
![]() Nah, it's just that I'd been the only one posting for a few days, and the tumbleweeds had started getting in the way! Sometimes, even when others don't post, you forget you aren't posting in a vacuum, and that somebody is still reading this stuff, even if they don't post. Call me insecure, if you like ("You're insecure!", I hear you all cry). As I understand it, PAGE EIGHT was shot on HD with a new breed of Hawk anamorphic lenses, whose internal 'squeeze' isn't as radical as traditional anamorphic lenses, but can squash 2.35:1 worth of visual info into a native HD 1.78:1 frame, to be 'unsqueezed' in post and printed to whatever format is necessary for theatrical distribution. Most HD productions simply shoot at 1.78:1 and crop the top and bottom, thereby compromising picture quality. Am I not a font of invaluable info? (I often hear people calling me a 'font' - unless, of course, I've misheard them...). PRIMAL premiered on Film 4 cropped to 1.78:1, but this isn't entirely unexpected. The US DVD is properly framed at 2.35:1, but the UK Blu-ray is cropped to 1.78:1 (I'm assuming the UK DVD is the same, though I haven't been able to confirm that). If Film 4 got their materials from a UK source, then the cropping/reframing is sad, but inevitable. |
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2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (3 - 9 September):
Saturday (3 September) • BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES (Film 4) • THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM (ITV 1) • CATWOMAN (ITV 2) • DODGEBALL: A TRUE UNDERDOG STORY (Film 4) • DOUBLE TEAM (5 USA) • DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION (Film 4) • FINAL DESTINATION 3 (Film 4) • JACKIE CHAN'S FIRST STRIKE [First Strike] [警察故事4之簡單任務] (C5) • 'MISTER' ROBERTS (C5) [2.55:1] • PIRATES (BBC 2) • ROBIN AND THE 7 HOODS (BBC 2) • THE SHERIFF OF FRACTURED JAW (Film 4) • VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (ITV 4) • YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE (ITV 1) Sunday (4 September) • DOWN WITH LOVE (BBC 1) • FIREFOX (C5) • HUD (C4) • I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) • MR. & MRS. SMITH (E4) • PREMONITION (Film 4) • THE SEEKER: THE DARK IS RISING (Film 4) • SERENITY (ITV 1) • SPIDER-MAN 2 (C5) • STREET KINGS (C4) • SUNSHINE (Film 4) Monday (5 September) • DAY OF THE EVIL GUN (Film 4) • KISS THE GIRLS (More 4) • MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III (C4) • SOLDIER (ITV 4) • SYRIANA (ITV 1) • TORPEDO RUN (Film 4) • UNLEASHED [Danny the Dog] (ITV 4) • X-MEN (Film 4) Tuesday (6 September) • EXIT WOUNDS (5 USA) • LAND OF THE DEAD (ITV 4) • POSSESSION (BBC 1) • SHOOTER (Film 4) • THE SUNCHASER (Film 4) • THE WEDDING PLANNER (Film 4) Wednesday (7 September) • 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (E4) • BASIC (C4) • BATMAN BEGINS (ITV 2) • ESCAPE TO ATHENA (Film 4) • FACE/OFF (BBC 3) • GREEN STREET (ITV 4) • THE LAW AND JAKE WADE (Film 4) • NONE BUT THE BRAVE (Film 4) • SAHARA (Film 4) Thursday (8 September) • BULLETPROOF MONK (Film 4) • I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) • STAR TREK: GENERATIONS (Film 4) • SUNSHINE (Film 4) Friday (9 September) • ALONG CAME A SPIDER (More 4) • DODGEBALL: A TRUE UNDERDOG STORY (Film 4) • GREEN STREET (ITV 4) • HART'S WAR (BBC 1) • KING KONG (ITV 2) • MAXIMUM RISK (5 USA) • MONTE WALSH (5 USA) • MR. HOBBS TAKES A VACATION (Film 4) • NOTORIOUS (Film 4) • OLIVER TWIST (Film 4) |
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I made a boob.
(The first person who says: "What, another one?" will be shot at dawn) Actually, it's not that much of a boob. Who knew Tom Selleck would take the lead in a TV movie remake of the 1970 scope western MONTE WALSH? Not me, that's fer sure. But it is, indeed, the TV version which has been playing of late on 5 USA, properly framed at the original 1.78:1. So please ignore the film currently mentioned in Friday's listings, which I can't remove because of the ridiculous restrictions on people editing their own posts... |
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I made a boob.
![]() I've had a thought about this weekly list, but it'd require a bit of extra work - of adding a marker to state whether films are regularly shown correctly or regularly shown incorrectly, or whether it's a premiere so it could go either way. |
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I've had a thought about this weekly list, but it'd require a bit of extra work - of adding a marker to state whether films are regularly shown correctly or regularly shown incorrectly, or whether it's a premiere so it could go either way.
The listings are a guide only, intended to warn viewers beforehand about what they ought to be seeing, and to decide for themselves if they want to continue viewing if the broadcast version falls short. Of course, if you'd like to pay me an ongoing wage, I'd be happy to dress the whole thing up with markings, wallpaper, curtains, the lot... ![]()
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Recording Mr & Mrs Smith on E4HD. Just checked now. Stunning PQ and it's in the OAR. So thanks for the reminder and keep up the good work L.
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2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (10 - 16 September):
Saturday (10 September) • ALONG CAME A SPIDER (More 4) • CHIEF CRAZY HORSE (C5) [2.55:1] • THE COMANCHEROS (More 4) • EXILED [放‧逐] (BBC 2) • EXIT WOUNDS (5 USA) • FACE/OFF (BBC 3) • GARDEN STATE (C4) • THE LAKE HOUSE (ITV 2) • MATILDA (5*) • MR. & MRS. SMITH (E4) • THE NEVERENDING STORY [Die Unendliche Geschichten] (ITV 2) • SAHARA (Film 4) • SOLDIER (ITV 4) • UNITED 93 (ITV 1) • X-MEN (Film 4) Sunday (11 September) • 4: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER (E4) • AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS (C4) • BECOMING JANE (BBC 4) • DAY OF THE EVIL GUN (Film 4) • JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH (C4) [1.85:1] [3-D] • MATILDA (5*) • ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO (C5) • STAR TREK: GENERATIONS (Film 4) • TORPEDO RUN (Film 4) • VANTAGE POINT (C5) Monday (12 September) • GODZILLA (5*) • KING KONG (ITV 2) • LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN (Film 4) • MICHAEL CLAYTON (BBC 1) • NONE BUT THE BRAVE (Film 4) • SHOOTER (Film 4) • UNITED 93 (ITV 4) Tuesday (13 September) • BATMAN BEGINS (ITV 2) • COMANCHE (C4) • THE CONQUEROR (Film 4) [2.55:1] • THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL [2008] (Film 4) • THE LAND GIRLS (Film 4) • LAND OF THE DEAD (ITV 1) • SILENT LIGHT [Stellet Licht] (Film 4) • TOOTSIE (BBC 2) Wednesday (14 September) • DAREDEVIL (BBC 3) • THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW (E4) • FLASHBACKS OF A FOOL (BBC 1) • THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER (Film 4) • MR. HOBBS TAKES A VACATION (Film 4) • OLIVER TWIST (Film 4) Thursday (15 September) • INSIDE I'M DANCING (ITV 3) • KINGDOM OF HEAVEN (Film 4) • THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE (C4) • X-MEN: THE LAST STAND (Film 4) Friday (16 September) • BIGGER THAN LIFE (C4) • THE COMANCHEROS (More 4) • DOUBLE JEOPARDY (More 4) • END OF DAYS (C4) • LAST MAN STANDING (ITV 4) • OUTLAND (ITV 1) • THE RIDDLE OF THE SANDS (Film 4) • TIMELINE (Film 4) |
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It's much better when films on TV fill the whole screen. Those black bars really irritate me (and my family and friends) and make me wonder why I ever bothered getting a top-of-the-range widescreen TV.
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It's much better when films on TV fill the whole screen. Those black bars really irritate me (and my family and friends) and make me wonder why I ever bothered getting a top-of-the-range widescreen TV.
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It's much better when films on TV fill the whole screen. Those black bars really irritate me (and my family and friends) and make me wonder why I ever bothered getting a top-of-the-range widescreen TV.
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It's much better when films on TV fill the whole screen. Those black bars really irritate me (and my family and friends) and make me wonder why I ever bothered getting a top-of-the-range widescreen TV.
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In which case why doesn't the area around your TV screen that doesn't have a TV picture on irritate you also
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In which case why doesn't the area around your TV screen that doesn't have a TV picture on irritate you also
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And that proves exactly why none of you should be allowed to own a TV. Please pack it back up and take it back to the shop for a refund. I'm sure they will oblige.
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When I bought my 40 inch widescreen TV, I assumed that when watching TV the entire screen would be filled all of the time. When channels broadcast films with black bars at the top and bottom, a significant proportion of the screen is wasted (or at least that's how I see it) and I'm not getting TV in the 40 inch widescreen glory that I thought I'd paid for.
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