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terryranosaurus
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture.



I agree, I don't mind if the film is in 16:9 or it's original size.”

Yours must be the only one then.
What is the point ?

If you're watching 16:9 on a 4:3 tv then why not just set it to letterboxed?

The borders are slightly larger and the picture is complete

Only Philips could come up with such a feature
jzee
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“Thats broadcasting 16:9 programmes with 16:9 flag missing , something they did on Star Trek TOS for at least the first few episodes.
Channels do not broadcast 16:9 material intentionally squashed into a 4:3 box like they used to when showing the widescreen credits of a film for example”

Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.
terryranosaurus
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.”

No they don't.
If a channel airs anamorphic 16:9 material and it's in a 4:3 frame thats because the Widescreen Switching Signal has not been sent as it should be .

CBS Action did this for the first few episodes of Star Trek TOS when it had been butchered into a 16:9 version , but as the WSS was not broadcast as it should be the viewer was forced to adjust the ratio on their tv itself.

After a few days they got it right and the WSS was present although I've not looked for a while.

Mainstream channels won't do it because they are not as technically incompetent as some of the low budget channels.

What you are referring to is a cock up thats all.

Go back a few years and widescreen films were always shown in 4:3 and depending on how the credits appeared , somewere letterboxed but some had the entire 2.35;1 image squashed into a 4:3 box (because nobody had 16:9 tv's) and once the credits ended the film reverted to pan and scan rather than squeezing
jzee
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“No they don't.
If a channel airs anamorphic 16:9 material and it's in a 4:3 frame thats because the Widescreen Switching Signal has not been sent as it should be .”

Eh, where did I say anamorphic, the whole point it they are not anamorphic, they transmit 16:9 with hard coded black bars on the top & bottom, yes, they still do it as the small channels can't afford to buy anamorphic versions of everything.
El Guapo
22-08-2010
People, people does it really matter? Lets all take a deep breath! And relax.............................
DVDfever
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by El Guapo:
“People, people does it really matter? Lets all take a deep breath! And relax.............................”

What an odd thing to post on a forum where debate and discussion is commonplace.
DVDfever
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“There are no digiboxes with a 14:9 setting.
The options are 4:3 or 16:9.”

Wrong.

Quote:
“And anyone who watches movies in full on ITV clearly isn't a movie lover either”

How so when it's in the correct ratio? It's no different than C4 in that respect.
DVDfever
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture.”

What's wrong with the 16:9 letterbox setting on it?
DVDfever
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“I think some of us are getting a leeeetle bit elitist now. Not exactly something that I'd normally associate with watching a film on the small screen.”

Well, home screens are hardly small these days. Mine's 37".
terryranosaurus
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Eh, where did I say anamorphic, the whole point it they are not anamorphic, they transmit 16:9 with hard coded black bars on the top & bottom, yes, they still do it as the small channels can't afford to buy anamorphic versions of everything.”

Then the material is not squeezed then is it ?
Which is what we were talking about
terryranosaurus
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.”


That is a 4:3 broadcast with 16:9 image letterboxed - not a 16:9 broadcast.
terryranosaurus
22-08-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
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How so when it's in the correct ratio? It's no different than C4 in that respect.”

ITV rarely show 2.35:1 films in the correct ratio.
Assuming they do sometimes , how can a genuine film fan tolerate cuts and ads when virtually all films will have a superior alternative via dvd or Bluray
jzee
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“Then the material is not squeezed then is it ?
Which is what we were talking about”

Actually it's not clear, VirginMediaPhil said:

"It's no so much stretched 4:3 on a 16:9 TV I hate - it's seeing a 16:9 picture squished into 4:3 I hate the most."

which could well mean 16:9 in a 4:3 frame
terryranosaurus
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Actually it's not clear, VirginMediaPhil said:

"It's no so much stretched 4:3 on a 16:9 TV I hate - it's seeing a 16:9 picture squished into 4:3 I hate the most."

which could well mean 16:9 in a 4:3 frame”

A 16:9 picture that is squished into a 4:3 frame does not refer to a letterboxed image - which is what you are referring to.
This is where we are at cross purposes , but please note your definition is wrong.
I don't think anyone else has ever /will ever say a letterboxed image is "squished".

Phew- we can move on now
DVDfever
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“ITV rarely show 2.35:1 films in the correct ratio.
Assuming they do sometimes , how can a genuine film fan tolerate cuts and ads when virtually all films will have a superior alternative via dvd or Bluray”

After the watershed they're not going to cut the majority of the kind of films they show. They used to, but they've got a lot better in that respect. Five are more likely to censor these days. Long gone are the days of the Robocop TV version.

As for ads, on a PVR it doesn't matter. I might watch the ITV broadcast and then get the Blu-ray later if I like it.
terryranosaurus
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“After the watershed they're not going to cut the majority of the kind of films they show. They used to, but they've got a lot better in that respect. Five are more likely to censor these days. Long gone are the days of the Robocop TV version.

As for ads, on a PVR it doesn't matter. I might watch the ITV broadcast and then get the Blu-ray later if I like it.”

Films can be cut simply for time rather than content , but I don't know how that works today.
Late night films have the risk of having sign language on them although thats one advantage of the HD channel - no SL when the film is in HD
d'@ve
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Well, home screens are hardly small these days. Mine's 37".”

An IMAX screen is over 1,000 inches. Your screen (and mine) is small.
terryranosaurus
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“An IMAX screen is over 1,000 inches. Your screen (and mine) is small. ”

But an IMAX screen will look awful if its displaying a dvd
mossy2103
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture..”

Some TVs also have a named 14:9 option.
VirginMediaPhil
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“Yours must be the only one then.
What is the point ?

If you're watching 16:9 on a 4:3 tv then why not just set it to letterboxed?

The borders are slightly larger and the picture is complete

Only Philips could come up with such a feature”

And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.
DVDfever
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by terryranosaurus:
“Films can be cut simply for time rather than content , but I don't know how that works today.
Late night films have the risk of having sign language on them although thats one advantage of the HD channel - no SL when the film is in HD”

Depends how late and whether it's a premiere or not (C4 once told me an overnight film that's a premiere would NOT have the SL, but a repeat of a film could do).

As for time, well, overnight most channels show stuff that can be easily eaten into like simulcast news and shopping nonsense. The biggest pain is Five's insistence to show 15-rated films on Sunday teatime, including When Harry Met Sally, of all films!, which means cuts for sure.
DVDfever
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.”

16:9 is not any more of a hardship for you than 14:9, and if you can't read text on a 14" 4:3 screen for a 16:9 programme/film then I have to say you do need glasses. (I'm not being flippant here, I'm getting to this point myself - not for your situation, but I've just generally reached that age )
VirginMediaPhil
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“16:9 is not any more of a hardship for you than 14:9, and if you can't read text on a 14" 4:3 screen for a 16:9 programme/film then I have to say you do need glasses. (I'm not being flippant here, I'm getting to this point myself - not for your situation, but I've just generally reached that age )”

I know, I know, I'm awkward. But hopefully these few points will relieve your anger! I'm not trying to have a joke at you by the way, I'm just saying that...
[LIST=1][*]It's my loft TV that I only use when guests come over. All other TVs are widescreen.[*]You'll probably never come to my house, and as I've seen videos of you on TV on your YouTube channel, I have never met you before either.[*]No I do not need glasses, I just prefer it that way. My eyes are actually perfect. I'm not that old, lol.[/LIST]
terryranosaurus
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.”



I have a Humax and a Sky box and a V+ , and none have a 14:9 option because its not a digital broadcasting format.

If you really want to use 14:9 then most tv's have that as a display option
DVDfever
23-08-2010
Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil:
“I know, I know, I'm awkward. But hopefully these few points will relieve your anger! I'm not trying to have a joke at you by the way, I'm just saying that...
[LIST=1][*]You'll probably never come to my house, and as I've seen videos of you on TV on your YouTube channel, I have never met you before either.[/LIST]”

Aww... I'm also in the North West and I was hoping to come over and perform my DomSezXL rants live in your house

...and while your back's turned, I'll secretly alter your digibox's settings so it goes back to 16:9

Actually, I did a similar thing when I once went to a mate's house. They had a Sky box set to 'letterbox 16:9' on a 16:9 TV. While they went into the kitchen to make dinner, I quickly grabbed the remote and corrected it so the people onscreen no longer looked like the Roly Polys. They didn't spot a thing
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