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Old 22-08-2010, 22:22
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Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture.



I agree, I don't mind if the film is in 16:9 or it's original size.
Yours must be the only one then.
What is the point ?

If you're watching 16:9 on a 4:3 tv then why not just set it to letterboxed?

The borders are slightly larger and the picture is complete

Only Philips could come up with such a feature
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Old 22-08-2010, 22:28
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Thats broadcasting 16:9 programmes with 16:9 flag missing , something they did on Star Trek TOS for at least the first few episodes.
Channels do not broadcast 16:9 material intentionally squashed into a 4:3 box like they used to when showing the widescreen credits of a film for example
Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.
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Old 22-08-2010, 22:37
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Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.
No they don't.
If a channel airs anamorphic 16:9 material and it's in a 4:3 frame thats because the Widescreen Switching Signal has not been sent as it should be .

CBS Action did this for the first few episodes of Star Trek TOS when it had been butchered into a 16:9 version , but as the WSS was not broadcast as it should be the viewer was forced to adjust the ratio on their tv itself.

After a few days they got it right and the WSS was present although I've not looked for a while.

Mainstream channels won't do it because they are not as technically incompetent as some of the low budget channels.

What you are referring to is a cock up thats all.

Go back a few years and widescreen films were always shown in 4:3 and depending on how the credits appeared , somewere letterboxed but some had the entire 2.35;1 image squashed into a 4:3 box (because nobody had 16:9 tv's) and once the credits ended the film reverted to pan and scan rather than squeezing
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Old 22-08-2010, 22:41
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No they don't.
If a channel airs anamorphic 16:9 material and it's in a 4:3 frame thats because the Widescreen Switching Signal has not been sent as it should be .
Eh, where did I say anamorphic, the whole point it they are not anamorphic, they transmit 16:9 with hard coded black bars on the top & bottom, yes, they still do it as the small channels can't afford to buy anamorphic versions of everything.
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Old 22-08-2010, 22:53
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:00
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:02
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There are no digiboxes with a 14:9 setting.
The options are 4:3 or 16:9.
Wrong.

And anyone who watches movies in full on ITV clearly isn't a movie lover either
How so when it's in the correct ratio? It's no different than C4 in that respect.
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:03
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Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture.
What's wrong with the 16:9 letterbox setting on it?
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:04
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I think some of us are getting a leeeetle bit elitist now. Not exactly something that I'd normally associate with watching a film on the small screen.
Well, home screens are hardly small these days. Mine's 37".
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:46
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Eh, where did I say anamorphic, the whole point it they are not anamorphic, they transmit 16:9 with hard coded black bars on the top & bottom, yes, they still do it as the small channels can't afford to buy anamorphic versions of everything.
Then the material is not squeezed then is it ?
Which is what we were talking about
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:48
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Sorry but they do, still, 16:9 in a 4:3 frame, Film24 and movies4men also do it, the major channels don't though.

That is a 4:3 broadcast with 16:9 image letterboxed - not a 16:9 broadcast.
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Old 22-08-2010, 23:50
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How so when it's in the correct ratio? It's no different than C4 in that respect.
ITV rarely show 2.35:1 films in the correct ratio.
Assuming they do sometimes , how can a genuine film fan tolerate cuts and ads when virtually all films will have a superior alternative via dvd or Bluray
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Old 23-08-2010, 00:01
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Then the material is not squeezed then is it ?
Which is what we were talking about
Actually it's not clear, VirginMediaPhil said:

"It's no so much stretched 4:3 on a 16:9 TV I hate - it's seeing a 16:9 picture squished into 4:3 I hate the most."

which could well mean 16:9 in a 4:3 frame
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Old 23-08-2010, 00:04
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Actually it's not clear, VirginMediaPhil said:

"It's no so much stretched 4:3 on a 16:9 TV I hate - it's seeing a 16:9 picture squished into 4:3 I hate the most."

which could well mean 16:9 in a 4:3 frame
A 16:9 picture that is squished into a 4:3 frame does not refer to a letterboxed image - which is what you are referring to.
This is where we are at cross purposes , but please note your definition is wrong.
I don't think anyone else has ever /will ever say a letterboxed image is "squished".

Phew- we can move on now
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Old 23-08-2010, 00:08
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ITV rarely show 2.35:1 films in the correct ratio.
Assuming they do sometimes , how can a genuine film fan tolerate cuts and ads when virtually all films will have a superior alternative via dvd or Bluray
After the watershed they're not going to cut the majority of the kind of films they show. They used to, but they've got a lot better in that respect. Five are more likely to censor these days. Long gone are the days of the Robocop TV version.

As for ads, on a PVR it doesn't matter. I might watch the ITV broadcast and then get the Blu-ray later if I like it.
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Old 23-08-2010, 00:17
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After the watershed they're not going to cut the majority of the kind of films they show. They used to, but they've got a lot better in that respect. Five are more likely to censor these days. Long gone are the days of the Robocop TV version.

As for ads, on a PVR it doesn't matter. I might watch the ITV broadcast and then get the Blu-ray later if I like it.
Films can be cut simply for time rather than content , but I don't know how that works today.
Late night films have the risk of having sign language on them although thats one advantage of the HD channel - no SL when the film is in HD
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Old 23-08-2010, 01:15
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Well, home screens are hardly small these days. Mine's 37".
An IMAX screen is over 1,000 inches. Your screen (and mine) is small.
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Old 23-08-2010, 01:18
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An IMAX screen is over 1,000 inches. Your screen (and mine) is small.
But an IMAX screen will look awful if its displaying a dvd
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Old 23-08-2010, 07:08
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Er, yes there are. In fact I have one (a Philips), used it today, for a 4:3 TV in my loft. It's called 'Compromise' and it's the option I use because I don't like the way centre cut-out cuts off the graphics and some parts of the picture..
Some TVs also have a named 14:9 option.
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Old 23-08-2010, 10:39
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Yours must be the only one then.
What is the point ?

If you're watching 16:9 on a 4:3 tv then why not just set it to letterboxed?

The borders are slightly larger and the picture is complete

Only Philips could come up with such a feature
And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.
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Old 23-08-2010, 11:16
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Films can be cut simply for time rather than content , but I don't know how that works today.
Late night films have the risk of having sign language on them although thats one advantage of the HD channel - no SL when the film is in HD
Depends how late and whether it's a premiere or not (C4 once told me an overnight film that's a premiere would NOT have the SL, but a repeat of a film could do).

As for time, well, overnight most channels show stuff that can be easily eaten into like simulcast news and shopping nonsense. The biggest pain is Five's insistence to show 15-rated films on Sunday teatime, including When Harry Met Sally, of all films!, which means cuts for sure.
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Old 23-08-2010, 11:19
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And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.
16:9 is not any more of a hardship for you than 14:9, and if you can't read text on a 14" 4:3 screen for a 16:9 programme/film then I have to say you do need glasses. (I'm not being flippant here, I'm getting to this point myself - not for your situation, but I've just generally reached that age )
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Old 23-08-2010, 13:13
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16:9 is not any more of a hardship for you than 14:9, and if you can't read text on a 14" 4:3 screen for a 16:9 programme/film then I have to say you do need glasses. (I'm not being flippant here, I'm getting to this point myself - not for your situation, but I've just generally reached that age )
I know, I know, I'm awkward. But hopefully these few points will relieve your anger! I'm not trying to have a joke at you by the way, I'm just saying that...
[LIST=1][*]It's my loft TV that I only use when guests come over. All other TVs are widescreen.[*]You'll probably never come to my house, and as I've seen videos of you on TV on your YouTube channel, I have never met you before either.[*]No I do not need glasses, I just prefer it that way. My eyes are actually perfect. I'm not that old, lol.[/LIST]
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Old 23-08-2010, 14:36
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And Humax, and Sagum, and Hitachi, and Technika...

Mine is most certainly not the only one. Some call it "14:9 Letterbox". And I don't want it on 16:9 letterbox because then the picture becomes too small for me and text is illegible.


I have a Humax and a Sky box and a V+ , and none have a 14:9 option because its not a digital broadcasting format.

If you really want to use 14:9 then most tv's have that as a display option
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Old 23-08-2010, 21:19
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I know, I know, I'm awkward. But hopefully these few points will relieve your anger! I'm not trying to have a joke at you by the way, I'm just saying that...
[LIST=1][*]You'll probably never come to my house, and as I've seen videos of you on TV on your YouTube channel, I have never met you before either.[/LIST]
Aww... I'm also in the North West and I was hoping to come over and perform my DomSezXL rants live in your house

...and while your back's turned, I'll secretly alter your digibox's settings so it goes back to 16:9

Actually, I did a similar thing when I once went to a mate's house. They had a Sky box set to 'letterbox 16:9' on a 16:9 TV. While they went into the kitchen to make dinner, I quickly grabbed the remote and corrected it so the people onscreen no longer looked like the Roly Polys. They didn't spot a thing
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