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theonlyweeman
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Think BBC One only have the 16:9 version, I would imagine when it's shown on another channel in the future, it'll be the 2.35:1 version.”

I thought ITV had the rights Warner Bros. films. so I wouldn't get your hopes up.

By the way, 'I Love You, Man' was broadcast on BBC One in 16:9 yesterday, I'm assuming that's not it's original aspect ratio.
jzee
30-12-2011
Film 4 correctly showing Ice Cold in Alex in OAR 1.66:1 pillarboxed in 16:9.
Libretio
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Anyone know if Superman Returns was finally broadcast properly?”

Sadly not, old bean. Cropped/reframed to buggery, I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by theonlyweeman:
“By the way, 'I Love You, Man' was broadcast on BBC One in 16:9 yesterday, I'm assuming that's not it's original aspect ratio.”

It was shot and screened theatrically at 1.85:1, so if it was slightly reframed at 1.78:1, that isn't too much of an alteration. As I've said before, I'd prefer the 1.85 version, but I'm not really fussed about such a tiny compromise.

Originally Posted by jzee:
“Film 4 correctly showing Ice Cold in Alex in OAR 1.66:1 pillarboxed in 16:9.”

Oddly enough, BBC 2 did the same thing with A TALE OF TWO CITIES earlier today...
Libretio
30-12-2011
2.35:1 movies across the Freeview platform for the coming week (31 December - 6 January):


Saturday (New Year's Eve)

• 21 (C5)
• ANNIE (E4) [Panavision]
• BATTLE OF MIDWAY [see: Midway]
• DANTE'S PEAK (ITV 2)
• FLASH POINT [導火線] (Film 4)
• FRED CLAUS (Film 4)
• FREE WILLY (ITV 2) [Panavision]
• THE GUNS OF NAVARONE (BBC 2) [CinemaScope]
• INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (C4) [Superscope] [2.00:1]
• LONELY ARE THE BRAVE (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MAD MAX 2 (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MIDWAY (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• THE PACIFIER (BBC 1) [Panavision]
• PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END (BBC 1)
• THE POLAR EXPRESS (ITV 2) [CGI Widescreen / IMAX DMR 3-D]
• PRIDE & PREJUDICE (ITV 1)
• PRIMAL (Film 4)
• RUSHMORE (Film 4) [Panavision]
• STAR TREK: GENERATIONS (E4) [Panavision]
• THE THREE MUSKETEERS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• VIVA KNIEVEL! (BBC 2) [Panavision]
• THE WICKER MAN (5*)
• YOUNG GUNS II (5 USA) [Panavision]


Sunday (New Year's Day)

• 633 SQUADRON (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• ALL THE BOYS LOVE MANDY LANE (Film 4)
• BATTLE OF MIDWAY [see: Midway]
• BLACK KNIGHT (E4)
• BOLT (BBC 1) [3-D] [1.85:1]
• THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (C4) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN (BBC 1)
• COLD MOUNTAIN (BBC 1)
• "CROCODILE" DUNDEE (E4) [Panavision]
• THE EAGLE HAS LANDED (BBC 2) [Panavision]
• FERRIS BUELLER'S DAY OFF (Film 4)
• FORCE 10 FROM NAVARONE (BBC 2) [Panavision]
• GUN FURY (BBC 2) [Columbia 3-D] [1.85:1]
• HALF A SIXPENCE (BBC 4) [Panavision]
• HARD TIMES (5 USA) [Panavision]
• HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF-BLOOD PRINCE (ITV 1) [IMAX DMR 3-D (partly)]
• I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) [Panavision / Super 35]
• JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH (Film 4) [Fusion 3-D] [1.85:1]
• LICENCE TO KILL (ITV 1) [Panavision]
• MIDWAY (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM 2 [Night at the Museum: Battle of the Smithsonian] (Film 4)
• RATATOUILLE (BBC 3) [CGI Widescreen]
• SCARY MOVIE (Film 4)
• SEVEN BRIDES FOR SEVEN BROTHERS (C5) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (ITV 2)
• A TOWN CALLED PANIC [Panique au Village] (Film 4)
• TRANSFORMERS (Film 4) [Panavision]
• WALL•E (BBC 3) [PixarVision]


Monday (2 January)

• 633 SQUADRON (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE (BBC 3)
• CUSTER OF THE WEST (C5) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]
• DANTE'S PEAK (ITV 2)
• DIE ANOTHER DAY (ITV 1) [Panavision]
• ESCAPE FROM L.A. (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• THE GOLDEN COMPASS (Film 4)
• HARRY POTTER AND THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE [Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone] (ITV 1)
• HIDEOUS KINKY (BBC 2)
• HITCH (C5)
• INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (BBC 1) [Panavision]
• I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER (C5) [Panavision]
• LONELY ARE THE BRAVE (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• MARLEY & ME (Film 4)
• POINT BREAK (BBC 1)
• RACE TO WITCH MOUNTAIN (BBC 1)
• THE SLIPPER AND THE ROSE: THE STORY OF CINDERELLA (C5) [Panavision]
• TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN (Film 4) [Panavision / IMAX] {2.39:1 and 1.44:1]
• TWO BROTHERS [Deux Frθres] (BBC 2)
• VON RYAN'S EXPRESS (C4) [CinemaScope]
• WIN A DATE WITH TAD HAMILTON! (BBC 2)
• ZULU (More 4) [Super Technirama 70] [2.21:1]


Tuesday (3 January)

• ALONG CAME A SPIDER (Film 4) [Panavision]
• THE BUSINESS (Film 4)
• THE CHRONICLES OF NARNIA: PRINCE CASPIAN (BBC 3)
• DREAMER: INSPIRED BY A TRUE STORY (C4)
• ESCAPE FROM L.A. (ITV 4) [Panavision]
• KUNG FU HUSTLE [功夫] (C4)


Wednesday (4 January)

• BEOWULF (C5) [CGI Widescreen / 3-D]
• DIE HARD 2 (Film 4) [Panavision]
• HIGHWAYMEN (C4)
• I AM LEGEND (ITV 2) [Panavision / Super 35]
• ICE AGE: DAWN OF THE DINOSAURS (Film 4) [3-D] [1.85:1]
• JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH (Film 4) [Fusion 3-D] [1.85:1]
• A LIFE LESS ORDINARY (Film 4)
• MAMMA MIA! (ITV 1) [Panavision]
• McLINTOCK! (More 4) [Panavision]
• PRACTICAL MAGIC (ITV 1)
• RENAISSANCE (Film 4) [Super 35 / CGI Widescreen]
• TOBRUK (C4) [Techniscope]
• TOMBSTONE (BBC 1) [Panavision]
• WALL•E (BBC 3) [PixarVision]


Thursday (5 January)

• THE INFORMERS (Film 4)
• I, ROBOT (Film 4)
• KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND TABLE (Film 4) [CinemaScope] [2.55:1]
• A MAN APART (C4)
• OCEAN'S TWELVE (ITV 2)
• ON DEADLY GROUND (ITV 4) [Clairmont Scope]
• RATATOUILLE (BBC 3) [CGI Widescreen]
• THE THREE MUSKETEERS (Film 4) [Panavision]


Friday (6 January)

• BEAUFORT [בופור] (BBC 2)
• BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA (C4) [Panavision]
• DELIVERANCE (ITV 1) [Panavision]
• FIFTY DEAD MEN WALKING (BBC 2)
• HELLO, DOLLY! (C4) [Todd-AO] [2.21:1]
• JEEPERS CREEPERS II (Film 4) [Panavision]
• TORA! TORA! TORA! (C4) [Panavision]
• UNIVERSAL SOLDIER (5 USA) [Panavision]
• WATCHMEN (Film 4)
• THE WOODS (5*)
jzee
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Oddly enough, BBC 2 did the same thing with A TALE OF TWO CITIES earlier today...”

Tale of Two Cities was 4:3 in a 16:9 frame though, completely unnecessary, with 1.66:1 black bars are unavoidable.
Libretio
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Tale of Two Cities was 4:3 in a 16:9 frame though, completely unnecessary, with 1.66:1 black bars are unavoidable.”

The 1957 version of A TALE OF TWO CITIES was framed and projected at 1.66:1, and this is what was screened on BBC 2 today. 4:3 pillarboxed images have huge black bars at either side of the frame, whereas the ones on ATOTC were only just noticeable on my TV (they would have been slightly bigger - but still not as big as 4:3 material - if not for overscan). All UK DVD versions to date have cropped the film to 4:3, but one particular edition (boxed with two other Dickens adaptations) included a properly-framed 1.66:1 trailer which clearly indicated a degree of cropping in the main presentation. So this TV broadcast was very welcome indeed.

By the way, anyone seeing THE BODY SNATCHER for the first time on BBC 2 in the wee small hours of the morning will have been subject to another treat - the full uncut version, for the first time in living memory! For as long as I can remember, this film has ALWAYS been on the BBC, and they've ALWAYS shown the version approved by the BBFC back in the 1940's, short by almost 5 minutes worth of 'horror', including every single reference to notorious graverobbers/murderers Burke and Hare. The full version has been out on DVD for ages (sporting a PG certificate), so it just goes to show how long the BBC tends to hold onto individual prints of films. Pity the print for this one wasn't better - it looked very faded and... well, old. That sounds pretty obvious, I know, but I've seen other films of this vintage which looked like it had just been shot yesterday.
jzee
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“The 1957 version of A TALE OF TWO CITIES was framed and projected at 1.66:1, and this is what was screened on BBC 2 today. 4:3 pillarboxed images have huge black bars at either side of the frame, whereas the ones on ATOTC were only just noticeable on my TV (they would have been slightly bigger - but still not as big as 4:3 material - if not for overscan). All UK DVD versions to date have cropped the film to 4:3, but one particular edition (boxed with two other Dickens adaptations) included a properly-framed 1.66:1 trailer which clearly indicated a degree of cropping in the main presentation.”

I just measured the AR and it was 873:574 so 1.52:1 so quite a fair bit of cropping on the sides.
eyeblink
30-12-2011
Originally Posted by jzee:
“I just measured the AR and it was 873:574 so 1.52:1 so quite a fair bit of cropping on the sides.”

Or maybe opened up a little height-wise, if the film was shot open-matte. It may even have been matted in camera to 1.52:1 or thereabouts, so you could be seeing the whole picture as shot.

(Just guesswork - I didn't see today's showing, nor have I seen the film before.)
mike65
31-12-2011
Not on Freeview but Horror Channel are showing Obsession (1976) in 2.35:1, a lovely print.
Braindead2011
31-12-2011
Originally Posted by mike65:
“Not on Freeview but Horror Channel are showing Obsession (1976) in 2.35:1, a lovely print.”

Yep it was lovely, the print must be sourced from their Arrow output deal.

I watched it on VHS a couple of months ago and did not realise it was shot in scope until I saw the DVD box in HMV.
Libretio
31-12-2011
Originally Posted by jzee:
“I just measured the AR and it was 873:574 so 1.52:1 so quite a fair bit of cropping on the sides.”

Oddly enough, I don't think this would have made too much difference to the compositions, but I still would have preferred the original 1.66:1. However, 1.52 is still better than cropped 1.33:1, that's fer sure.

TRANSSIBERIAN premiered at 2.39:1 on BBC 2 last night. The BBFC cut a few seconds out of a torture scene for a 15 certificate (I'd like to ask the distributor why they choose to do this, since an uncut 18 wouldn't have made any difference to the sales, surely?), but the BBC isn't always beholden to the censor's scissors. Most of the time, but not always.
DVDfever
01-01-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“TRANSSIBERIAN premiered at 2.39:1 on BBC 2 last night. The BBFC cut a few seconds out of a torture scene for a 15 certificate (I'd like to ask the distributor why they choose to do this, since an uncut 18 wouldn't have made any difference to the sales, surely?), but the BBC isn't always beholden to the censor's scissors. Most of the time, but not always.”

I didn't realise it was cut, with an uncut 18 indeed being available

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/AVV250582

It's a cracking film and far more deserving of a 9pm slot than being shoved late into the night.
jzee
01-01-2012
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) in correct 2.00:1 AR on C4, in HD on C4 HD, not very HD though.
DVDfever
01-01-2012
Force 10 from Navarone on BBC2 now in 2.35:1, but oddly, last night, BBC1 shows Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End cropped to 16:9. Haven't they shown that before in 2.35:1? I know they've shown one or two correctly some time ago, but I've never watched a whole film so I don't know where one stops and the other starts.
Libretio
01-01-2012
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) in correct 2.00:1 AR on C4, in HD on C4 HD, not very HD though.”

Because of overscan on my TV, it looked more like 1.85:1, but I defer to your judgement on this one. Ironically, the film was framed at 1.85:1 during principal photography but printed at 2.00:1 in post against the director's wishes! Still a good film, and also unsuitable for impressionable kids - don't stick 'em in front of this one while you make the tea, otherwise some of 'em will have nightmares for days!!

Originally Posted by DVDfever:
“Force 10 from Navarone on BBC2 now in 2.35:1, but oddly, last night, BBC1 shows Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End cropped to 16:9. Haven't they shown that before in 2.35:1? I know they've shown one or two correctly some time ago, but I've never watched a whole film so I don't know where one stops and the other starts.”

F10FN will probably be cut for violence and nudity for its afternoon scheduling. I recall being surprised many years ago during a mid-evening TV screening to see a brief decapitation in the film, despite it being given a lowly A certificate (the equivalent of a PG) at the pictures. However, a glance at the entry for the film in the BBFC database indicates it was passed with cuts back in 1978. At the time I saw it on TV, broadcasters weren't beholden to the BBFC's ratings, so the rights-holders probably sent them the uncut version and that's what they broadcast. The same unexpurgated print is a 12 on video today.

As for POTC:AWE - what a disappointment! Don't know what happened there (I don't recall if it's been shown in scope before), but it looks like I'll have to make do with a DVD rental. Not that that's a bad thing, mind, but even so...

And while we're still on a note of doom and gloom, PRIMAL was cropped/reframed on Film 4 last night. This might be the only version available to UK outlets, since the UK Blu-ray print is apparently the same.

However, on the subject of something slightly less miserable -

Happy New Year to one and all!
pad_ehh
01-01-2012
I notice ITV are showing the premiere of Harry Potter 6 in 2.35:1 which is a first as they have cropped all their previous showings of parts 1-5.
porkpie
01-01-2012
The US dvd of Invasion of the Body Snatchers is 2.35:1 although the earlier Laserdisc from Criterion was 2:1.
Like some other 50's movies it seems to be filmed with a variety of ratios in mind
jzee
01-01-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“Because of overscan on my TV, it looked more like 1.85:1, but I defer to your judgement on this one. Ironically, the film was framed at 1.85:1 during principal photography but printed at 2.00:1 in post against the director's wishes!”

Screenshot
60 pixel border top & bottom, 1920x1080 so 2.00:1. I watched in SD though as I find the C4 HD DOG too distracting if it overlaps the picture.
Braindead2011
02-01-2012
Saw a couple of clips of Bridge On The River Kwai and Guns Of Navarone and they were shown in widescreen on BBC2. I would hazard a guess they were almost in their original OAR.

Force 10 From Navarone had some minor nudity with Barbara Bach in the bath, walking with a towel loosely hanging and bending forward to straddle a nazi. It was also in its original OAR
DVDfever
02-01-2012
Originally Posted by Braindead2011:
“Saw a couple of clips of Bridge On The River Kwai and Guns Of Navarone and they were shown in widescreen on BBC2. I would hazard a guess they were almost in their original OAR.

Force 10 From Navarone had some minor nudity with Barbara Bach in the bath, walking with a towel loosely hanging and bending forward to straddle a nazi. It was also in its original OAR”

(slight pedantic bit here)
BOTRK was on C4

Also, Race to Witch Mountain is on BBC1 in 2.35:1.
Custer of the West is getting a repeat screening on C5 in 2.35:1
And the same goes for Von Ryan's Express on C4 at the moment.
Libretio
02-01-2012
The Harry Potter premiere on ITV 1 was significant, since I think this is the first time ITV 1 has screened an OAR scope film at the correct ratio during primetime. It wasn't perfect, since parts of the film were originally shown in 3-D in IMAX venues, but it still bodes well for the future. That said, all those 'old' transfers of other films are still doing the rounds, so I'm not expecting great strides to be made in this area for some time yet.
Libretio
02-01-2012
Scope and 3-D films released on UK Blu-ray (2 - 8 January):

• FACES IN THE CROWD (2011)


Scope and 3-D films released on US Blu-ray (3 - 9 January):

• 2010 (1984) [Panavision]
• 300 (2007)
• ALEXANDER (2004)
• CONSTANTINE (2005)
• CONTACT (1997) [Panavision]
• COPYCAT (1995) [Panavision]
• DOMINO (2005)
• FREDDY VS. JASON (2003)
• FRIDAY THE 13th (2009) [Panavision]
• THE GUARD (2011)
• HAPPYTHANKYOUMOREPLEASE (2010) [Hawk Scope (HD)]
• HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART 1 (2010)
• HOW THE WEST WAS WON (1962) [Cinerama]
• JACKASS 3-D (2010) [3-D] [1.85:1]
• THE LONG KISS GOODNIGHT (1996)
• A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET (2010) [Panavision]
• THE OPEN ROAD (2008)
• THE PERFECT STORM (2000) [Panavision]
• POINT OF NO RETURN (1993) [Panavision]
• POSEIDON (2006)
• PROOF (2005)
• PUNCTURE (2011)
• RED PLANET (2000) [Panavision]
• SET IT OFF (1996)
• SE7EN (1995)
• SHARK NIGHT 3-D (2011) [Fusion 3-D] [1.85:1]
• TAKING LIVES (2004)
• TROY (2004)
• TWISTER (1996) [Panavision]
• V FOR VENDETTA (2006)
• WATCHMEN (2009)
• THE WILD BUNCH (1969) [Panavision]
porkpie
02-01-2012
I've ordered a 3D tv purely on the back of the announcement that Dial M For Murder and the original House of Wax are due to hit Bluray3D in the coming months.

Is it easy to convert anaglyph 3D to the current format?

Not sure its worth listing Bluray releases here.
OAR is par for the course with Bluray and dvd so its not really news like the tv broadcasts are
pad_ehh
03-01-2012
Originally Posted by Libretio:
“The Harry Potter premiere on ITV 1 was significant, since I think this is the first time ITV 1 has screened an OAR scope film at the correct ratio during primetime. It wasn't perfect, since parts of the film were originally shown in 3-D in IMAX venues, but it still bodes well for the future. That said, all those 'old' transfers of other films are still doing the rounds, so I'm not expecting great strides to be made in this area for some time yet.”

It's not the first surely. They have broadcast several films during the day/early evening in 2.35:1 before, this was just the first time they've done it to a Warner Bros. / Harry Potter film as previously any film from WB or any HP film was always cropped. Sadly, Harry Potter 1 was still cropped to 1.85:1 when it was broadcast yesterday.
Libretio
03-01-2012
Originally Posted by porkpie:
“I've ordered a 3D tv purely on the back of the announcement that Dial M For Murder and the original House of Wax are due to hit Bluray3D in the coming months.”

And both of them are superb examples of 3-D, much better than the vast majority of 3-D movies currently playing at your local cattleplex. HOW may be the 'showier' of the two in terms of stereoscopic effect, but the 3-D in DMFM brings the drama to life in a manner that's difficult to articulate, but you'll see what I mean when you view it.

Oh, and they're both proof-positive that dual-35mm - for all its lumbering awkwardness and impracticality - is miles better than HD video when it comes to shooting 3-D, no matter what people like James Cameron would have you believe!

Originally Posted by porkpie:
“Is it easy to convert anaglyph 3D to the current format?”

It's not ideal, since it represents a compromise (they separate the various colour layers and then reconstitute them into a dual-image format), but it can be done. For example, the short film STEREO-LAFFS was shot in 1941 in dual-35mm format but went unreleased until 1953, when it was retitled A DAY IN THE COUNTRY and played in 2-D only. SabuCat Productions located an anaglyph print in 2006 and, in the absence of the original dual-35mm elements, they were able to clean up the print, separate the layers and create a compromised - but workable - dual-35mm version which played at the World 3-D Expo in Hollywood that year. Such material could also be released in stereoscopic format on Blu-ray, and the same is true for every other 3-D film for which only anaglyph elements remain.

Originally Posted by porkpie:
“Not sure its worth listing Bluray releases here. OAR is par for the course with Bluray and dvd so its not really news like the tv broadcasts are”

That's true, but the lists here are for reference purposes only. Like the scope-films-on-TV listing, the Blu-ray lists simply say this film and that film was originally in scope and/or 3-D and that's what you should see on the disc itself. If not, you've been duped. For instance, as I mentioned in an earlier posting, the UK BR of PRIMAL is cropped to 1.78:1 from 2.39:1, and I believe the US BR release of BIG TITS ZOMBIE (no jokes, please! ) is in 2-D, whereas it was released theatrically in 3-D. My list gives you such info up-front - forewarned is forearmed, as they say.

Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“It's not the first surely. They have broadcast several films during the day/early evening in 2.35:1 before, this was just the first time they've done it to a Warner Bros. / Harry Potter film as previously any film from WB or any HP film was always cropped.”

But the big difference on this occasion was that the film was broadcast on ITV 1 from 7pm onwards and took up almost three hours of primetime evening viewing. The BBC has already done this (with some of the Pirates of the Caribbean films, for instance), but until this latest Harry Potter premiere, ITV 1 has relegated all of its OAR scope films to daytime and early evening - from, say, 5pm onwards - and never slap-bang in the middle of the most valuable time-slot in the TV schedule (which is between 7pm and 10pm). Such a thing would have been unthinkable only a few years ago.
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